What does evolution mean to you?

[LadyShea]

I feel significant to the people in my life . In the whole Universe?...sure, I am as insignificant as an ant in Africa is to us...but so what? I don't need to think I am special to an invisible sky daddy in order to appreciate what this life and world has to offer, or to be in awe of the natural forces that put us here.

 

I recently donated a kidney to a friend...our Christian acquaintances called it a miracle...it wasn't miraculous. Miracles wouldn't take 7 hours, skilled hands, years of education, decades of medical research and cause so much pain (temporary pain and worth it, but pain nonetheless). I was impressed with the surgeon's skills and knowledge, and of our brains that are able to learn these things, and that we now have the drugs (formulated using various aspects of evolutionary theory BTW) to prevent rejection even on non-close matches

 

[lithium.]

I feel significant to the people in my life .

I agree 110%.

 

[LadyShea]

Originally posted by pinkangel
yeah but have you ever looked at the humen body closly? dont you think its just a miracle that were able to breathe when were asleep? surely some bacteria that banged together could not form such a well clock worked body. God formed us especially to perform his will, to be his children. plus why if we are all made of bacteria are we all totally different beings?? with different features personaltys etc. Dont get me wroung everyone deserves there on view on life. but doesnt the evolution view just make you feel so insugnificant?? like no one actually wanted you here in the first place? Where as God he made evetything from the very beging for a reason, he has a plan for every single persons life. I agree that extremophiles are fasinating , but I beliveve God made those things aswell and he cause them to be able to survive in this world and the wierd circumstances etc.

 

Also, I want to point out, that as insignificant as you find bacteria, and as miraculous as you seem to find the human body...without evolutionary theory (which is directly responsible for new effective antibiotics against ever more resistant forms of bacteria)...the bacteria would beat us almost every time. Bacterial infections are still a major killer of humans on this planet.

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by seesaw
No I don't think I'm special at all why would I? The problem is you might not believe the theory of evolution is correct, but the evidence backing up evolution says it is. We can't get rid of the evidence, because we would have to get rid of our DNA which is impossible.

LOL, DNA is evidence for evolution?

HAHAHAHAHA! Coding without a Coder, eh?

PinkAngel, stick to what you KNOW in your heart and you will be fine.

 

[lithium.]

Oh... wait s0uljah you didn't hear that there is evidence that supports evolution in our dna?

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by seesaw
Oh... wait s0uljah you didn't hear that there is evidence that supports evolution in our dna?

Do tell. But I hope its not "junk DNA" that you got up your sleeve.

 

[lithium.]

Why do me, and others even try anymore? So many people on this more shows evidence for evolution every day, but it gets dismissed. I guess if the evidence isn't an animal giving birth to a completely new speices then it's not evidence for evolution.

Read this.

http://www.nap.edu/html/creationism/evidence.html


I'm not going to ever post evidence or try to show that evolution is true here anymore no one seems to care. People A LOT SMARTER than me have shown evidence of evolution here but no one cares it just gets dismissed a long with everything else. It's sad.

 

[lithium.]

There is the hox gene, and the Mitochondrial DNA that shows evidence for evolution, but hey if it's all junk dna it doesn't matter anymore i'm not going to even talk about evidence for evolution here anymore the other people that know evolution can do it. I'm tired of all the it's not evidence, and it's not enough evidence and etc... I'm just tired it of all.

 

[sulphur]

In the period 4.8 to 3.9 billion years there was an intense bombardment of most celestial bodies in our solar system and beyond with material which could have started life.plase give give me evidence that this is not true

 

[kern]

Originally posted by sulphur
In the period 4.8 to 3.9 billion years there was an intense bombardment of most celestial bodies in our solar system and beyond with material which could have started life.plase give give me evidence that this is not true

This is origin of life theory, not evolution. Try a different thread, please.

-Chris

 

[EPHRIAM777]

Originally posted by s0uljah
How far do you take it?

Microevolution - Change within species

Macroevolution - Change between species

Ambiogenesis - Life naturally starting from simple chemicals combining and eventually through Macroevolution, producing all of the species we see today.

*sorry if the terms aren't precise, but I think you get the point of the question




Eph writes...

I wish you would have been a bit more precise in the answers...I had to say NO.....BUT...!

Micro Evo..which is really only variation in a species..IS scientific and CAN be proven...Dogs produce a varity of Dogs...Fish produce a varity of Fish...Birds produce a varity of Birds...

So MICRO Evo is Biblical..God said "everything after it's KIND"...

What EVO people do is give examples of Micro variation in a species...and apply it to being of or because of MACRO Evo...thats the deception...!!!

Macro Evo is ONLY true in the "bibles" carried by those who follow that religion ( religion being a belief system )...It is unprovable..and never has or will be proved...!

It's claim IF followed back to it's beginings...says "everything came from the BIG BANG"...cooling of the planet...rocks formed...chemicals mixing from rain on the rocks formed a big soup..ect ect...!

Then from that flawed theory...comes the BIG lie...animals began and Evolved into what we see around us today..!

WRONG..!

No scientific proof other than in their text books..which are only "bibles" really ....published by them..for them..based on THEIR "faith" in their scientific reasearch done by them..backed by them...and packaged by them...ect ect.." a closed loop " on information...!

Now cloning..may be able to produce evidence of MACRO Evo...but that wouldn't be examples of natural Evo as presented by the Evo's....that would be "someone" with their hand in the mix...!

 

[sulphur]

Open your poor closed mind. I can give you a list of books to read

 

[Orihalcon]

Originally posted by s0uljah
LOL, DNA is evidence for evolution?

obviously you know little about DNA evidence.

PinkAngel, stick to what you KNOW in your heart and you will be fine.

so, just don't learn anything new because what you don't know can't hurt you.

 

[Orihalcon]

Originally posted by pinkangel
yeah I get what you mean, hmmmm I just dont think I come form a pice of bacteria I believe God made me, and that he didnt make me from something else I.e a monkey or something. He formed me totally separete. Do you not believe that you r a special individual to god?

you didn't come from bacteria, you were conceived by your parents.  born of your mother.  as for the human species as a whole, it branched off in development from something along the lines of a chimpanzee, most likely in our brain development and dexterity.

and no, i don't think i'm special to god.  he's got 6 billion humans and many many more other creations to love and care about.  if he exists.  i'm special to myself, because i'm living life in my own shoes.

 

[Neo]

Originally posted by s0uljah
Nobody has seen God? That isnt true.

• 
  [*]John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time."
  [*]Exodus 33:20 "Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live."
  [*]I John 4:12 "No man hath seen God at any time."
  

 

[pinkangel]

S0uljah thank you for your encourgement. Orihalcon. Yes I know I was concived my parents. But I believe I was also formed by God.In Psalm 139: 13-16 it says, ' you made my whole being; you formed me in my Mothers womb. I praise you because you made me in an amazing and wounderful way. What you have done is wounderful. I know this very well. You saw my bones being formed, as I took shape in my Mothers womb.When I was put together there, you saw my body as it was formed. All the days planned for me were written in your book before I was one day old.'
That is what i believe, that he was there from the beiging of conception and he was there from the beggining of all time.
You also said you do not think you are special to God. I pray that one day you will learn the true love he has for you, and how much he truly thinks you are special. . In Luke 12:6-7 it says ' Are not 5 sparrows sold for 2 pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God. Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Don't be afraid; you are worth more then many sparrows' so if the 5 sparrows are not forgetton by God, think how much more you are in his thoughts! God bless you

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

 

[Orihalcon]

well, if he does exist, it would be nice to know. however, it is quite clear that even if he does, he is not willing to meddle in the affairs of mortals or directly help in any way. i have only myself and the friends i choose to trust, and that is where i will place my faith.

 

[lithium.]

I take back what I said about me not talking about evolution here I'm not going to let some people get under my skin.

 

[Apologist]

Originally posted by seesaw
God could have still created us but using evolution.

This is theistic evolution and I find that very problematic.

Consider this from CRI's web site:

Genesis 3 unmistakably asserts that death overcame man when he transgressed God's command. Death, according to Scripture, had no hold on man until some later period following his creation. This flies directly in the face of evolutionary theory. Still, theistic evolutionists may try to skirt these passages by regarding the opening portion of Genesis as non-historical. But such recourse can only lead them to even more disastrous avenues. Theistic evolutionists can allegorize Genesis as much as they want, but to do so, they have to contend against Scripture itself. Paul, in such passages as Romans 5 and 1 Corinthians 15, clearly treats the Genesis account in historical terms and he speaks of human death as God's judgment on sin. It was for this very reason -- to answer for God's punishment for our sin -- that Christ died. This is the very heart of the Gospel. Quite frankly, Theistic Evolution, in my opinion, is a contradiction in terms, somewhat like talking about burning snowflakes.

But if human death were not God's judgment on sin, as theistic evolutionists would have to maintain, what then did Christ die for? Those clinging to evolutionary dogma would have to admit that Jesus lied when He claimed to die for our sins. Consequently, the atonement is robbed of all meaning, while the Gospel is hollowed to an empty shell. In their attempt to fuse evolutionary theory with Scripture, theistic evolutionists only wind up perverting God's Good News into no news, as we remain dead in our sins.