What does America even represent at this point

[Osmotik]

From wars started by false flags and motivated by greed and the military-industrial complex, etc., I don't really have much love for the USA governmentally speaking. Coming from the south & midwest, I feel like we are used and talked about like trash by people on the coasts. My college puts international students and rich kids above middle class Americans.

If you come to the US from another country, let's say Mexico, you can say you're Mexican-American. If I move to Mexico, the people won't consider me Mexican, I'd just be American. The same if I went to Japan, Germany, and so on. Basically, anyone with another home country has the option to pick whatever side they want when hard times come. The US is an empire, and Americans who have lived here for generations don't have a true nation. We are disadvantaged in the fact that we can't have our own culture, and people with another homeland will generally take sides with that country over America. I feel like I don't have an identity. Does anyone else feel like this?

By no means am I a 'white nationalist'. I'm not fighting or advocating for a skin color. I just hope thats understood. I'm honestly considering just leaving the US at some point. I'm a reasonable person so I mean no disrespect, I am just trying to figure out exactly what I am fighting for. Thanks.

 

[solid_core]

From wars started by false flags and motivated by greed and the military-industrial complex, etc., I don't really have much love for the USA governmentally speaking. Coming from the south & midwest, I feel like we are used and talked about like trash by people on the coasts. My college puts international students and rich kids above middle class Americans.

If you come to the US from another country, let's say Mexico, you can say you're Mexican-American. If I move to Mexico, the people won't consider me Mexican, I'd just be American. The same if I went to Japan, Germany, and so on. Basically, anyone with another home country has the option to pick whatever side they want when hard times come. The US is an empire, and Americans who have lived here for generations don't have a true nation. We are disadvantaged in the fact that we can't have our own culture, and people with another homeland will generally take sides with that country over America. I feel like I don't have an identity. Does anyone else feel like this?

By no means am I a 'white nationalist'. I'm not fighting or advocating for a skin color. I just hope thats understood. I'm honestly considering just leaving the US at some point. I'm a reasonable person so I mean no disrespect, I am just trying to figure out exactly what I am fighting for. Thanks.

Almost all nations formed during hundreds or thousands of years of common history, genetics and belief.

While the USA formed 200 years ago by people of all possible nations coming together. So there is no consistent culture, genetics or belief and therefore many Americans still rather hold to their original home identity, while living in the USA just because its financially more convenient in the moment.

 

[Osmotik]

Almost all nations formed during hundreds or thousands of years of common history, genetics and belief.

While the USA formed 200 years ago by people of all possible nations coming together. So there is no consistent culture, genetics or belief and therefore many Americans still rather hold to their original home identity, while living in the USA just because its financially more convenient in the moment.

I understand that and I embrace change, I just feel like the change at this point would push me towards not wanting to represent this country.

Imagine a poker game. If you join the US military, you're fighting for our shared chips, but certain groups are also collecting their own chips, in which I'm not included. Basically, I'm being used and my nation doesn't exist anymore. If we're not interested in preserving anything besides finances, why not just join another militant force? What reason do I have to stand for an empire that doesn't stand for me?

Thanks for the idea though. I agree and I'm not necessarily angry, but I don't want displaced people used as pawns for other groups that definitively exclude us from their group while also including themselves in our group. God bless.

 

[Jesse Johnson]

Religious Liberty

 

[solid_core]

I understand that and I embrace change, I just feel like the change at this point would push me towards not wanting to represent this country.

Imagine a poker game. If you join the US military, you're fighting for our shared chips, but certain groups are also collecting their own chips, in which I'm not included. Basically, I'm being used and my nation doesn't exist anymore. If we're not interested in preserving anything besides finances, why not just join another militant force? What reason do I have to stand for an empire that doesn't stand for me?

Thanks for the idea though. I agree and I'm not necessarily angry, but I don't want displaced people used as pawns for other groups that definitively exclude us from their group while also including themselves in our group. God bless.

Well, as a Christian, you can simply represent God, not some specific nation or political body.

You said you are white, so you can find your identity in white people history and in their culture, even if living in the multicultural USA.

Or you are a Christian - so you can find your identity in your local church community.

I think its on you, where you will find your place and home and where you will feel the connection. You do not have to represent the whole USA to somebody, if you do not feel that way.

 

[section9+1]

I never knew America was formed by people of all possible nations coming together.

 

[solid_core]

I never knew America was formed by people of all possible nations coming together.

Rhetorically of course, do not count all UN countries.

 

[GACfan]

Actually America was formed by white protestant men (WASPs) forcibly taking tribal lands and either killing off or forcibly removing entire Indigenous tribes to barren wastelands called the Reservation.

 

[section9+1]

I've wondered the same about America. It is certainly at odds internally. Not sure how that can even change. The way it's going seems sort of inevitable. We are looking for fairy tale solutions to real issues because fairy tales sound nicer.

 

[Osmotik]

Actually America was formed by white protestant men (WASPs) forcibly taking tribal lands and either killing off or forcibly removing entire Indigenous tribes to barren wastelands called Reservations.

I have native ancestry (~10%, member of a tribe, I consider myself Anglo+French though since thats most of my blood) and I know that prior to "WASPs" showing up, there was plenty of violence between warring tribes. So while it was an atrocity, don't pretend like America was full of peace before the English showed up. Natives took land from each other on many occasions.

Again, I'm not advocating for white nationalism, I just want a better picture of what this country represents. I love being around people from different backgrounds and nations. I'm fine with going my own way, I'm just not fighting for something that doesn't represent me, or that only represents money.

@solidcore, Yes, I can find identity in other groups, and that's very important, but the US has a military, in which I would be drafted if we went to war. So I'm included in that boat regardless.

Hope everyone is doing ok with virus, God bless. I'm only trying to think things out for myself, not hate others. Hope thats understood. I just feel that I've been thrown in this group without my choice

 

[GACfan]

I have native ancestry (~10%, member of a tribe, I consider myself Anglo+French though since thats most of my blood) and I know that prior to "WASPs" showing up, there was plenty of violence between warring tribes. So while it was an atrocity, don't pretend like America was full of peace before the English showed up. Natives took land from each other on many occasions.

I never said otherwise. I was simply pointing out the real history of America, not some whitewashed version. On a side note, I meant no offense to you or to anyone else by what I wrote before.

 

[Osmotik]

I've wondered the same about America. It is certainly at odds internally. Not sure how that can even change. The way it's going seems sort of inevitable. We are looking for fairy tale solutions to real issues because fairy tales sound nicer.

Exactly. I'm not coming from a place of xenophobia or hate. I just don't see how we can fix these core differences without fragmenting. Not everyone wants to give up their culture.

 

[Osmotik]

I never said otherwise. I was simply pointing out the real history of America, not some whitewashed version.

Cool cool. Can't fault you there at all. We are stained in certain areas, but I can't think of a nation that doesn't have skeletons in the closet

 

[Pommer]

Exactly. I'm not coming from a place of xenophobia or hate. I just don't see how we can fix these core differences without fragmenting. Not everyone wants to give up their culture.

Just because our political system is discombobulated and we are very polarized, doesn’t necessarily mean that our “culture” or even the social-zeitgeist is as well.

 

[public hermit]

I feel like I don't have an identity.

You're young,. Take your time to figure out what really matters and who you are in relation to that. What is good, honorable, decent, and worthy of your attention? Take the best ideas of what it means to be an American and be that. As citizens of this country, we each have a responsibility to embody the very best of our ideas.

Your identity is being formed. Are you an American simply because you were born here? Sure. But we each have to embody the best of what it means to be an American, if this great experiment is going to work.

Also, try to consider others in the best possible light, American or otherwise. One of the great ideas in our founding documents is that there is a common humanity, a common dignity inherent in each and every one of us. As a country, we haven't always done the best in representing that ideal, but there's no better moment than the present to do so.

 

[Osmotik]

Thanks for reassurance. I might just need to slow down and think more and not worry. And we have to always remember that our unity with God is first over man made nations. God bless

 

[jacks]

I think it is hard to see what being an "American" is when you are immersed in it. When I lived overseas and would come across another American, we immediately bonded and had many things in common, that we had missed while being in another culture. Think if you were born and raised in China for example, you really wouldn't feel "Chinese" while living there, it would just be the way it is. If you then came to another country with few Chinese you would then have something in common with the ones you met. i.e. a shared culture and all of a sudden that becomes more noticeable. And you're right this is not a racial thing, it is a cultural thing.

 

[durangodawood]

America:

 

[Osmotik]

I think it is hard to see what being an "American" is when you are immersed in it. When I lived overseas and would come across another American, we immediately bonded and had many things in common, that we had missed while being in another culture. Think if you were born and raised in China for example, you really wouldn't feel "Chinese" while living there, it would just be the way it is. If you then came to another country with few Chinese you would then have something in common with the ones you met. i.e. a shared culture and all of a sudden that becomes more noticeable. And you're right this is a racial thing, it is a cultural thing.

Great point. I'm planning on traveling soon when I get the opportunity. Didn't really think of that though.

 

[Halbhh]

From wars started by false flags and motivated by greed and the military-industrial complex, etc., I don't really have much love for the USA governmentally speaking. Coming from the south & midwest, I feel like we are used and talked about like trash by people on the coasts. My college puts international students and rich kids above middle class Americans.

If you come to the US from another country, let's say Mexico, you can say you're Mexican-American. If I move to Mexico, the people won't consider me Mexican, I'd just be American. The same if I went to Japan, Germany, and so on. Basically, anyone with another home country has the option to pick whatever side they want when hard times come. The US is an empire, and Americans who have lived here for generations don't have a true nation. We are disadvantaged in the fact that we can't have our own culture, and people with another homeland will generally take sides with that country over America. I feel like I don't have an identity. Does anyone else feel like this?

By no means am I a 'white nationalist'. I'm not fighting or advocating for a skin color. I just hope thats understood. I'm honestly considering just leaving the US at some point. I'm a reasonable person so I mean no disrespect, I am just trying to figure out exactly what I am fighting for. Thanks.

I consider my self American, but I don't essentially rely on this in the deep way... Not ultimately.

Why?

First -- I'm Christian. This is what I rely on.

John 15:19 If you were of the world, it would love you as its own. Instead, the world hates you, because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.