What DOES a liberal believe?

[SkyWriting]

Health care! I can't speak for all liberals, but the DNC recognizes health care as a human right and agree. Although Democrats have different ideas to fix it, they are all united on the concept that every American needs health care that does not break the bank.

Suppose we eliminate it altogether? Zero doctors, zero hospitals.
How much would society change with zero healthcare?

 

[GodLovesCats]

Suppose we eliminate it altogether? Zero doctors, zero hospitals.

How much would society change with zero healthcare?

Did you have to say that? My sister is an oncologist. All of her patients would be dead.

 

[SkyWriting]

Did you have to say that? My sister is an oncologist. All of her patients would be dead.

The will all be anyway....but OK...- "All people with Cancer will die sooner."

That will be one change.

50% of all people I know diagnosed with cancer, have chosen to not get Chemo.

 

[The Barbarian]

Much of what was listed in the OP would count as impositions. For the most extreme example, civil rights legislation involve forcing people to adhere to certain standards in housing and hiring.

In my youth, conservatives in the south were howling about "Yankees telling us what to do with our own (N-word)!"

 

[Silmarien]

In my youth, conservatives in the south were howling about "Yankees telling us what to do with our own (N-word)!"

Yeah, I know. I'm not criticizing the idea of imposing laws like "treat one another with respect" on people. My point is rather that this is as much a biblical idea as anything conservative Christians are trying to impose, so people need a better analysis of the moral underpinings of government than just saying that religious reasoning has no place in secular society. We could go a step further and toss all moral reasoning out the window, and there goes progressivism.

Liberals frustrate me because I am much further to the left, haha. Everyone is engaged in power politics to a certain extent, whether or not they admit it, and the first step in not going too far is admitting that you're guilty too.

 

[The Barbarian]

Liberals frustrate me because I am much further to the left, haha.

Ah, a libertarian?

 

[Silmarien]

Ah, a libertarian?

Nah, more liberal communitarian with shades of socialism. Y'all are my natural enemy.

 

[The Barbarian]

Nah, more communitarian with shades of socialism. Y'all are my natural enemy.

I prefer honest-to-God socialists to conservatives. At least they don't try to hide what they're up to.

 

[Ricky M]

Suppose we eliminate it altogether? Zero doctors, zero hospitals.
How much would society change with zero healthcare?

You'd be dead by the age of 30

 

[Silmarien]

I prefer honest-to-God socialists to conservatives. At least they don't try to hide what they're up to.

Hmm. I'm not sure that's really true--the far left can get frightening with the way they discuss power sometimes, but I suppose there's a certain self-awareness to it often lacking in conservative circles. The tendency to say both yes and no to authoritarianism remains, though.

How to avoid playing power politics without just naively accepting your own narrative is an interest of mine. I don't see any way out except by admitting that your grounds are revelatory in nature, so while I can criticize conservatives because of the way that they combine theology and politics, I can't really criticize them for combining the two things, so the liberal tendency to attack just that irritates me to no end.

 

[SkyWriting]

You'd be dead by the age of 30

Because of my tonsils? Cause I'm twice that now.
I did have my tonsils removed. That was my only
time spent in a hospital. And I cut my finger pretty bad once.

I think schools or business could handle healthcare problems.
I was also thinking each neighborhood could have volunteer
health centers staffed by users required to do volunteer work.

This way there could be first aid available less than 2 blocks away.
for everybody. And with every person trained in first aid, help
would be available by the next person near you.

That seems better than everyone getting helicopter rides
to the nearest town for emergencies....which seems the way we are headed.

the out of pocket cost for a “life flight” (also called a MedEvac) can range from $12,000 to $25,000 on average per NAIC

 

[JackRT]

Suppose we eliminate it altogether? Zero doctors, zero hospitals.
How much would society change with zero healthcare?

Would solve the world's overpopulation problems within a generation.

 

[SkyWriting]

Would solve the world's overpopulation problems within a generation.

There ya go. (Assuming that people cause more problems than they solve.
We could still use a solar solution and a nuclear power and a fusion solution.)
And a recycling solution.

 

[GodLovesCats]

It would solve the world's overpopulation problems within a generation.

So you fully understand there is no reason to add unwanted babies to the world because there is no place for them.