what does a gay feeling person do

[artjack]

if you think you are gay, is abstaining from sex all you can do. surely life would be untolerable, to be fair we are all ment to have partners are we not! I suffer mental illness as I have no one to have sex with as I am afraid to have sex & dont enjoy it even so I touch. I look to jesus & when he was fasting for 40 days as my help, is this a good guide. what do you think I should do or could do to improve my life. I find the ignorance of it harder to cope with.

 

[pussycat61]

I am not gay but I had a friend who was. I know this is a really difficult subject for a christian and I did loose my friend (who was not a christian) through my own ignorance. This is why I have looked into this problem for myself. The only thing I can suggest to you is to contact the True Freedom Trust in The Wirral in England which is lead by Martin Hallet. Or as a second choice an organisation called Courage lead by Jeremy Marks. I think they are in Guildford, England. But try the TFT first. If you don't live in England they might be able to give you advice to find somewhere closer to you.

 

[Saucy]

Why do you have to have sex?

 

[ascribe2thelord]

if you think you are gay, is abstaining from sex all you can do. surely life would be untolerable, to be fair we are all ment to have partners are we not! I suffer mental illness as I have no one to have sex with as I am afraid to have sex & dont enjoy it even so I touch. I look to jesus & when he was fasting for 40 days as my help, is this a good guide. what do you think I should do or could do to improve my life. I find the ignorance of it harder to cope with.

The Bible does not say abstaining from sex. Rather, abstaining from heterosexual marriage. Some people were meant to not be married, so that they could experience greater devotion to God - take for example the Apostle Paul - whom so many homosexualists consider an evil man because he hated homosexuality. Perhaps even his own temptations.

He said that temptations come from the sinful nature. If you are not a Christian yet, then, those are all you have. But if you become a Christian/ are one already then you have the Holy Spirit in you, which despises sin in all its forms. You must crucify those temptations ... not ask for a way to not have them, nor demand that God give you permission to follow those temptations.

God won't change His mind about homosexual sins. You can think that He accepts "who you are" i.e. the things you do because of the feelings you suffer yourself to feel, and the convictions you ignore ... but He cannot accept sin in a relationship with Him.

 

[Marie D]

I know this will sound hard, but if your only sexual temptations are towards people of your own sex then yes, the Bible tells us you have to abstain - and that includes no self abuse either.

 

[headedhome]

You need to draw closer to Jesus. Look to Him not your temptations, they are sent from either your flesh, the enemy, or the world. Don't focus on what you know is wrong, focus on what you know is right. God doesn't want you having sex of any kind outside marraige, and marraige is between a man and a woman, no matter what society tries to make it. Stop pitying yourself and start letting the Holy Spirit guide you, if you are a Christian. If your not a Christian, you need to beleive on the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior.

 

[rosarygirl00]

I'm one of those people who have only known same sex attraction from my earliest memories. First thing I think it's important to know that we are not meant to be defined by our sexuality. As Christians we should be defined by our life in Christ. That I had to come to terms with my sexuality in the light of Christ, I had to admit that my same sex attraction is some how dis-ordered, no matter how I felt otherwise. That I had to see my sexuality not as a virtue but as my cross. The good news is that God gives us many graces and that through His grace we can be conformed to Him. This journey may take a life time but my life in Christ far out weighs the life I walked away from. Yes there are some good support groups for those of us dealing with homosexuality; I'm a member of a group called "Courage" mentioned earlier in this thread. It's an apostolate of the Catholic Church and there are many chapters all over, you can Google it and get a lot of information off their web site.

 

[eddiesmith]

God won't change His mind about homosexual sins. You can think that He accepts "who you are" i.e. the things you do because of the feelings you suffer yourself to feel, and the convictions you ignore ... but He cannot accept sin in a relationship with Him.
how do YOU know what GOD WANTS? i can't believe this.

 

[ottaia]

If you post here, in this forum, you will hear a lot of information, from well meaning people, about how homosexuals are an abomination. If you post in the Liberal Theology Forum, you will find a lot of information, from well meaning people, about how much of what people profess about homosexuality is a misrepresentation of the Bible. YOu can check out the ELCA web site to view their information on homosexuality and the exegetical work done on homosexuality in the Bible. I know one of the authors personally and is a person of integrity.

http://www.elca.org/faithfuljourney/pdf/study02.pdf

 

[artjack]

to answer why would I want to have sex! because I am human & have a brain, hormones & think about it.I dont believe it is posible for an adult to not think of this. I hope you do not think I am obsesed it which I am not. I still believe no one can go through life without relief at some point! do you feel that is fair.

 

[apologia25]

I just want to tell you one thing. Sex outside of marriage is forbidden whether its with a man or a woman. Jesus' life was about self sacrifice and dieing to the flesh. Where are you right now in the death of the flesh. it may be clear that your being led around by the wrong part of your body. I want to encourage you that regardless of what orientation you come from the bible still exhorts us to die to the flesh. That means that everything that I want and think I need physically if it is not biblical is a fleshly want and needs to die. Please dont follow the post above mine to a liberal belief. it dont matter how you cut it sex outside of marriage is not of God. God is bigger that orientation. He is bigger than us and our petty desires for fleshly lust. Please fight the good fight and run as one who will win the prize

 

[ascribe2thelord]

I think it's important to know that we are not meant to be defined by our sexuality. As Christians we should be defined by our life in Christ.

I like her.

 

[Brother_Justin]

Please take the time to look at all issues surrounding this issue.

I would say something but the conservatives would just flame me. Dont "ignore" any thing. Dont let people make you believe the good race is throwing your hands up and being lazy and just taking things litteral. And always remember God loves you bro.

When we let sinners define us as sinners we will never know who we are.



Love brother ~Justin~ <><

 

[Just Me Garry]

The Lord does not hate the homosexual but he does hate the sin.

I was molested by a man when I was 10 years old but I am not a homosexual because of it but it has created problems for me.

 

[Brother_Justin]

Not all homosexuals are child molestors. One of the greatest theists I have met is a lesbian and can prove 10 fold that homosexuality isnt a sin.



Love brother ~Justin~ <><

 

[Padon]

I'm one of those people who have only known same sex attraction from my earliest memories. First thing I think it's important to know that we are not meant to be defined by our sexuality. As Christians we should be defined by our life in Christ. That I had to come to terms with my sexuality in the light of Christ, I had to admit that my same sex attraction is some how dis-ordered, no matter how I felt otherwise. That I had to see my sexuality not as a virtue but as my cross. The good news is that God gives us many graces and that through His grace we can be conformed to Him. This journey may take a life time but my life in Christ far out weighs the life I walked away from. Yes there are some good support groups for those of us dealing with homosexuality; I'm a member of a group called "Courage" mentioned earlier in this thread. It's an apostolate of the Catholic Church and there are many chapters all over, you can Google it and get a lot of information off their web site.

Good post! My journey also has been one of coming to accept and define myself by my position within Christ. To this day I do not believe that a man or woman is 'gay', simply that certain people struggle with their sexuality. I have seen first-hand how non-Christians who define themselves as 'gay' have been let down by the liberal "worldview" into which they buy. By God's grace that lifestyle was never an option for me. As someone who has opted for a celibate life, I have the best role model in Jesus. St. Paul also provides a good role model for me. In spite of the pain that this situation presents, free from commitments to wife & children, I am able to devote myself fully to Christ.

 

[ascribe2thelord]

If you post here, in this forum, you will hear a lot of information, from well meaning people, about how homosexuals are an abomination. If you post in the Liberal Theology Forum, you will find a lot of information, from well meaning people, about how much of what people profess about homosexuality is a misrepresentation of the Bible. YOu can check out the ELCA web site to view their information on homosexuality and the exegetical work done on homosexuality in the Bible. I know one of the authors personally and is a person of integrity.

http://www.elca.org/faithfuljourney/pdf/study02.pdf

"Gay theology" is an attempt to subvert the Bible to one's own personal vendettas. It is not a legitimate religious concern!

 

[AwesomeMachine]

if you think you are gay, is abstaining from sex all you can do. surely life would be untolerable, to be fair we are all ment to have partners are we not! I suffer mental illness as I have no one to have sex with as I am afraid to have sex & dont enjoy it even so I touch. I look to jesus & when he was fasting for 40 days as my help, is this a good guide. what do you think I should do or could do to improve my life. I find the ignorance of it harder to cope with.

The first thing a homosexual needs to do is keep quiet about it, except to people who can accept them. I accept you, as you are God's creation. God created you, not to be perfect, but to be human. God expects you to do the human thing, not the Divine. The Divine things are up to God. It is a good starting point to realize having homosexual sex is not a good idea, morally.

It is also important to accept yourself the way you are. You cannot get beyond homosexuality be either rejecting it, or embracing it. You cannot hate your own sexuality, but you cannot love it either. Acceptance is the key. You are homosexual, now. If you are depressed, it is not because you cannot find someone to have sex with. It is because you cannot find someone to trust. People want to be close because they wish to share a trust relationship. They are looking for a bonding of hearts, which transcends words. They are looking for someone who will reflect back to them a very good image of themselves.

Homosexual males are looking for this affirmation from a masculine form. Heterosexual males are looking for this affirmation from a female form. Males will affirm you more if you don't lust after them, or appear homosexual. Most men don't like it when someone wants to sodomize them, even very attractive men. You will get much further by treating men with decency and respect.

Homosexuality is caused by a familiar demon spirit. This spirit knows things about you, and that you didn't receive the male affirmation you needed as a boy. The spirit tricks you into thinking that having sex with men will get you the affirmation you have always wanted. It is a very slick and well done deceit. You need help to undo it. The only thing that really works is confession at a Catholic Church. When you confess your homosexual lust, sex, masturbation, all of which are mortal sins, and receive absolution, after a while the demons have no more power. You just keep confessing the same sins over and over.

You might want to do this once per week. You should also receive Holy Eucharist at Catholic Mass on Sunday, immediately after confession on Saturday. It only takes six months to become Catholic, and this is the only means I am aware of for a homosexual to unravel the deceit done by the familiar spirit.

I have had familiar spirits oppressing me. It's horrible. You whole life becomes based on justifying all you sins. Then, one day, suddenly, you are finished. You have been struck down beyond repair. This is the fate of hardened sodomites, masturbaters, people who have sex with animals or children, fornicators, and aldulterers. They seem ok one day, and no one can figure out why God lets them live. The end is always near for them, and they fear the sword on every side. They know not when, but their final hour comes when they least expect it.

If you are faithful to confess your sins to another person, like the Bible tells you to, with contrite heart, making a resolution to never commit the same sin again, and resisting as hard as you can every time that familiar spirit tries to deceive you into an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], with lust involved; then confessing again in the same way, to another person (I advise a Catholic Priest, since you really can't trust anyone else all the way.), hating your sin, but embracing what God truly made you to be, a natural heterosexual male, you will become one.

I know it is difficult for you not to lust. If you can just get to confession, and stop from lusting for overnight, you can go to Mass and receive Jesus. You cannot, however, receive Jesus with mortal sin on your soul. There are even Saturday Masses, so you might only have to make it for a few hours. The critical thing is that you receive sacramental confession, and then don't commit any mortal sins before you go to communion. There is also a rite of Catholic initiation, during which you cannot receive communion.

If you keep confessing your lust, sex, and masturbation (which is a form of sodomy), and say this prayer:

In Jesus Name I bind the familiar spirit of perversion, and its deceit of homosexuality, and I cast it out in Jesus Name. I seal the door to the underworld from whence it came to me. I seal the door with The Precious Blood of Jesus, permanently.

I invite The Holy Spirit of Jesus to dwell in place of what was there, shining light on my deceit. Dear Holy Spirit, please enter my soul, and enlighten my mind with the sins I ought to confess. Grant me the Grace to confess them fully, humbly, and with contrite heart. Help me firmly resolve never to commit them again. Oh Blessed virgin, Mother of my Redeemer, mirror of innocence and sanctity and refuge of penitent sinners, intercede for me, that I may obtain the Grace to make a good confession. All you blessed Angels and Saints of God, pray for me, a sinner, that I may repent from my sinful ways and be forever united with you.

Amen

Then, confess every sin you can think of. Confessing directly to God does yield forgiveness from God, but if you are enslaved to patterns of intentional sin, this type of confession will not free you from the slavery. In this case, for compulsive lust for example, when you confess it to another person it takes away the power of the demon that causes lust. Pretty soon the demon gets so fed up with your confessing every time that it tells you to take you holy life and stick it. Then the evil spirit leaves you forever.

 

[AwesomeMachine]

Not all homosexuals are child molestors. One of the greatest theists I have met is a lesbian and can prove 10 fold that homosexuality isnt a sin.



Love brother ~Justin~ <><

It is true, same sex attraction is not a sin. But, there are some stipulations. Lusting after members of the same sex does severe damage to the individual doing the lusting, and the object of the lust. I know. When there is a homosexual male lusting after me, I feel really dirty, like I need to shower. I can carefully look around, and there will always be some guy, with perfect clothes and hair, eyeing me up.

I'm not proud of this fact, and I confess it as sin, but after I did it I didn't have a problem with men lusting after me. I am a little embarrassed that I got so mad, but a guy was making me feel dirty with his lust. I just didn't know what else to do. I was sick of going home and showering, after I had already taken a shower that day, only to still feel dirty from homosexual lust on me. I'm glad my actions stopped future lust after me.

I have a lot of friends who are body builders, and they report the same dirty feeling from homosexual lust. Some of them are Christians. We don't all agree on the proper solution. I have a place deep in my heart for homosexual men. Not only was my life saved, twice, by men who were gay, but my Brother is a homosexual married to a woman.

He still likes homosexual pornography, and he isn't at all attracted to his wife, who is butt ugly, but he thinks that is ok. I have offered to deliver him, by the authority given to me by The Holy Spirit, from the curse of the raped virgin, which causes homosexuality, in The Name of Jesus, but this hardens him.

He freaks out that he might actually be attracted to women. I tell him, "Being attracted to women is great. Your not missing anything when you stop lusting after a man's hairy backside."

In fact, lust for anything is a sin, especially human flesh. The other problem associated with homosexuality among males is sodomy. Sodomy is any type of sexual intercourse that is not between a married couple consisting of one man and one woman. Within this framewok, love making, in union with The Holy Spirit's power to create life, is permissible. For Christians, there is no other permissible use of sexuality.

In the absence of lust, and/or sodomy, same sex attraction is not a sin. But, when you know you can be free, and be attracted to a woman, the way God intended, it is even sin to make yourself stumbling block to others by having the tendency to put your lust onto innocent heterosexual victims. If you know how to be free from slavery, and you don't do it, you are guilty of whatever sins you cause others to commit.

(Based on the book, "Breaking Generational Curses & Pulling Down Strongholds", by Vito Rallo) I highly recommend this book for anyone who wants to recover from lust, sodomy, homosexuality, and a host of other maladies caused by curses. It helped me, even after I was delivered from a curse of the Freemasons from my ancestors. I also highly recommend "Protecting You Home From Spiritual Darkness", by Chuck D. Pierce and Rebecca Wagner Sytsema. There is a great prayer in the back for breaking curses.

 

[ottaia]

It is true, same sex attraction is not a sin. But, there are some stipulations. Lusting after members of the same sex does severe damage to the individual doing the lusting, and the object of the lust. I know. When there is a homosexual male lusting after me, I feel really dirty, like I need to shower. I can carefully look around, and there will always be some guy, with perfect clothes and hair, eyeing me up.

I'm not proud of this fact, and I confess it as sin, but after I did it I didn't have a problem with men lusting after me. I am a little embarrassed that I got so mad, but a guy was making me feel dirty with his lust. I just didn't know what else to do. I was sick of going home and showering, after I had already taken a shower that day, only to still feel dirty from homosexual lust on me. I'm glad my actions stopped future lust after me.

I have a lot of friends who are body builders, and they report the same dirty feeling from homosexual lust. Some of them are Christians. We don't all agree on the proper solution. I have a place deep in my heart for homosexual men. Not only was my life saved, twice, by men who were gay, but my Brother is a homosexual married to a woman.

He still likes homosexual pornography, and he isn't at all attracted to his wife, who is butt ugly, but he thinks that is ok. I have offered to deliver him, by the authority given to me by The Holy Spirit, from the curse of the raped virgin, which causes homosexuality, in The Name of Jesus, but this hardens him.

He freaks out that he might actually be attracted to women. I tell him, "Being attracted to women is great. Your not missing anything when you stop lusting after a man's hairy backside."

In fact, lust for anything is a sin, especially human flesh. The other problem associated with homosexuality among males is sodomy. Sodomy is any type of sexual intercourse that is not between a married couple consisting of one man and one woman. Within this framewok, love making, in union with The Holy Spirit's power to create life, is permissible. For Christians, there is no other permissible use of sexuality.

In the absence of lust, and/or sodomy, same sex attraction is not a sin. But, when you know you can be free, and be attracted to a woman, the way God intended, it is even sin to make yourself stumbling block to others by having the tendency to put your lust onto innocent heterosexual victims. If you know how to be free from slavery, and you don't do it, you are guilty of whatever sins you cause others to commit.

(Based on the book, "Breaking Generational Curses & Pulling Down Strongholds", by Vito Rallo) I highly recommend this book for anyone who wants to recover from lust, sodomy, homosexuality, and a host of other maladies caused by curses. It helped me, even after I was delivered from a curse of the Freemasons from my ancestors. I also highly recommend "Protecting You Home From Spiritual Darkness", by Chuck D. Pierce and Rebecca Wagner Sytsema. There is a great prayer in the back for breaking curses.

You make two interesting assumptions: 1. That men who dress nicely are gay and 2. That the supposedly "gay" person is lusting after you.

Have you read any Freud?