What do you think????

[faith by day]

A friend and I were talking about Blaspheme, and wether or not it is the unforgivable sin or not. And in my bible (teen living bible) it has letters from youth that are answered, and it says that blaspheme is the one unforgivable sin (Mark 3:29).... Please post what you think about Mark 3:19, and what your interpret is..... thanks.....

mark 3:29
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

and in my bible it says that it is the unforgivably sin, and who ever is hostile directly, or indirectly towards God, then they will perish.... (something along those lines)

 

[Kirisutokyoo-shinja]

I think the verse is pretty clear on what it says.
Not something that is forgiven, directly offending/blaspheming
against the Very Spirit of God.

 

[meebs]

hi faith

im not so sure, ive heard that greiving the holy spirit is a bad sin, but i thought Jesus forgave all sins? theres this bit in acts where a husband and wife keep some money back and they drop dead? i think God does not like you lying to the holy spirit. There have been times where i have been angry and shouted at God, but begged for forgiveness afterwards, but is it too late?

 

[Daughter of His]

That is a question that has made me wonder too. I looked up the word danger in the Greek as used in Mark 3:29.

to rule, to judge, (as empire); also to strive (as at law)-contend, execute(judgement), judge, minister judgement,plead(the cause), at strife, strive

Does this help any? Makes me think, but I'm not sure, that with repentence a judgement will be ministered? Uh, don't want to call you jellybrain but, anyway, mercy, I'm told comes before judgement. We need to repent for our sins.

Blessing to you

 

[KleinerApfel]

Don't panic!

God forgives ALL who repent. EVERY time they do so.

This quote needs to be understood in the context, not just one sentence taken apart from the rest.

In this passage in Mark's gospel, there is a hostile crowd accusing Jesus of madness and demon possesion.
They have witnessed His miracles, and yet deny Jesus totally, calling Him a madman and a devil.

They have hardened themselves against Him, even with the evidence before their eyes.
They have rendered themselves incapable of receiving forgiveness, because they have turned utterly away and will not seek forgiveness.

Note; it is not that they cannot be offered it - all sinners are offered forgiveness.

Their problem is their stubborn and sustained refusal to accept God's offer.

Do these people regret their decision and later cry out for Jesus to have mercy on them? I don't think we see any evidence of that, or of Jesus denying forgiveness to any.

I was once told that if a person is worried about this issue, it proves they have not fallen into this dangerous condition: if they had, they would be totally unconcerned due to having hardened their hearts.

I believe this to be the case.

God bless, Susana

 

[white dove]

thank you sooo much for posting, susana God bless you!

I was having a bible study w/ an awesome woman of Christ the other day...I'd posed this question to her & asked her what it meant...she more or less stated what you'd stated up there but went to another part of the scripture and became just as confused as I was about it (in our case, we were looking at Matthew 12: 22-37). We considered context but still came up w/o a definitive answer.
I'd heard about this issue raised before and assumed I knew what blasphemy meant (I was afraid I'd gone off and done that in my unholiest of unholy days & that I was doomed somehow..I'm really not kidding, either ~I was all ). Your explanation makes sense though; I'll totally tell her what I got from this thread thanks, faith for posting it

 

[CeCe]

What Susana said.

 

[KleinerApfel]

I was having a bible study w/ an awesome woman of Christ the other day...I'd posed this question to her & asked her what it meant...she more or less stated what you'd stated up there but went to another part of the scripture and became just as confused as I was about it (in our case, we were looking at Matthew 12: 22-37). We considered context but still came up w/o a definitive answer.

In Matthew 12 the Pharisees had been plotting to kill Jesus. That's how much they hated and feared him.

They were pouncing on everything He did to try to make a case for having Him executed for blasphemy. Ironic really.

This was a sustained campaign against Jesus.
They even called His miracles an activity of the devil!

This was no mere slip of the tongue, mild insult, or despairing cry to God that later they regretted.
These were sane, comfortable, well-educated men, and sadly they meant every well-considered word they said, effectively removing all doubt that they were open to change, or to acceptance of salvation on God's terms.

I believe this is a very different situation from that of a child of God who has doubts and fears, or emotional difficulties, and expresses something unpleasant to God and later worries over it.

Obviously we must always strive to keep His Name Holy and not speak ill of God, but even so, I do think there is a different level of insult altogether in these passages, where the hardest of hearts are being revealed.

As I said earlier, If you really had sunk to such depths of hate for God, then you wouldn't be fretting over it.

Blessings, Susana

 

[but'n'ben]

Jesus said that whoever curses his name or the name of the holy spriti can be forgiven, but whoever curses the Father shall never be forgiven.

 

[KleinerApfel]

Jesus said that whoever curses his name or the name of the holy spriti can be forgiven, but whoever curses the Father shall never be forgiven.

Can you give us a verse? I'm not familiar with this. Thanks.

Blessings, Susana

 

[but'n'ben]

Nope sorry. I just remember him preaching about forgiveness and he mentioned that all sins can e forgiven except cursing the name of the Father (or holy ghost).

 

[KleinerApfel]

I can only think of the parts where Jesus speaks of blaspheming the Holy Spirit, but would be interested in looking at any scripture someone finds which mentions this in relation to the Father also.

Did you read the two particular Bible references we were discussing earlier?

Blessings, Susana

 

[but'n'ben]

I'm getting mixed up. It's in the first post of the thread. the holy spirit which can't be blasphemed against. I was looking through my NT for it as well.

 

[I'mHis]

I heard somewhere that "the unforgivable sin" verse means attributing the acts of God to Satan.

 

[white dove]

I heard somewhere that "the unforgivable sin" verse means attributing the acts of God to Satan.

see?? I have heard that one too so now I'm still abit

 

[KleinerApfel]

Hello White dove,

I wasn't quite sure, what exactly is bothering you?

Blessings, Susana

 

[peteij]

Well I thought I would check the exact meaning of the word. Both the dictionary and a concordance use the phrase "to dishonour God".

If you consider that, then we are all guilty, but we've all been told that if we accept Jesus as our Saviour then we will be decalred 'not guilty'. It has to be a forgivable sin, otherwise no-one is going to be forgiven (plus, as said before, the statements have to be taken in context).

 

[Endure2]

some people say BLASPHEMING THE SPIRIT is attributing the works of God to devils credit.

but blasphemy of the holyspirit is not simply a physical thing you can do or say.

speaking or saying something agaisnt the holyspirit is only the OCCASION of blaspheming him, its not what it is. saying and doing things, is only the outer expression of what has already been done in the heart, the things you say arent what God really judges, its the reason you said them. thats why in the same context of scripture Jesus said "out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks"

when Jesus spoke of this sin, he was talking with the pharisees and they had just heard of the miracle working power of God and because they hated him so much and so rejected Jesus, they did the only thing they knew to do and that was to say, WELL HES JUST USING THE POWER OF THE DEVIL!

it was the hatred and the rejection they had in their hearts that pushed all the love of God away, thats what made them say that, and made God turn away, it wasnt just what they said.

the bible says that THERE IS NOTHING that we can do, to seperate us from his love.
there is no sin or word we can say, that he wont forgive.
all we can do, is REFUSE ALL HIS LOVE, like the pharisees did.

thats blaspheming God, and thats what he CANT forgive, because they wouldnt let him.

 

[KleinerApfel]

Thank you Endure, for the concise explanation. That's how I interpret it too.

God bless, Susana

 

[I'mHis]

some people say BLASPHEMING THE SPIRIT is attributing the works of God to devils credit.

but blasphemy of the holyspirit is not simply a physical thing you can do or say.

speaking or saying something agaisnt the holyspirit is only the OCCASION of blaspheming him, its not what it is. saying and doing things, is only the outer expression of what has already been done in the heart, the things you say arent what God really judges, its the reason you said them. thats why in the same context of scripture Jesus said "out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks"

when Jesus spoke of this sin, he was talking with the pharisees and they had just heard of the miracle working power of God and because they hated him so much and so rejected Jesus, they did the only thing they knew to do and that was to say, WELL HES JUST USING THE POWER OF THE DEVIL!

it was the hatred and the rejection they had in their hearts that pushed all the love of God away, thats what made them say that, and made God turn away, it wasnt just what they said.

the bible says that THERE IS NOTHING that we can do, to seperate us from his love.
there is no sin or word we can say, that he wont forgive.
all we can do, is REFUSE ALL HIS LOVE, like the pharisees did.

thats blaspheming God, and thats what he CANT forgive, because they wouldnt let him.

Thank you for explaining that better than I ever could!!!!!!