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I personally, have attended an Pauline Mass all my life. I've never been to a TLM, but there is some mixing of the two that could produce a beneficial effect like the Pope says. Say the Lectionary of the New Mass integrating more scripture in the TLM, and Gregorian Chant, and Latin to compliment the increased active participation of the Pauline Mass. With these we could see a restoration of the Sacred starting to take place. But first BETTER Catechism of our youth must emphasized. They must instructed in orthodox Catholic Faith.
 
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Buried within all the snappy one-liners, I sensed what I sense about many who want a return of the TLM.

Lots of ego. The writer wants to immerse herself in the candles and incense and chant so that she can block out the distractions and the worshippers around her and engage in some quality private time with Jesus.

Well, duh! The Mass is a community celebration. If you want some quality private time with Jesus, go to an adoration chapel or set up a little home altar with a nice scented candle and some Gregorian chant playing on a CD.

My experience of the TLM as a child was exactly that--several hundred individual worshippers ignoring one another, some saying the Rosary, some reading their missals, all pretty much doing their own thing.
I think you are one of the most judgemental intoleraant individuals I have ever had the displeasure of encountering on the interent. What about that liberal mantra--'live and let live' or 'I'm okay, you're okay'--Don't liberals know how to practice what they preach?
 
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Fatine - the Mass is not about looking at the people around you - that is what the Christian life is about outside of mass. We are only communing with our neighbour in so far as we are in communing with Christ.

The mass is about encountering Christ in the Eucharist, it is all about transcendence, making present the God who rose from the dead and is in heaven. Why is there such hostility to that?
 
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I personally, have attended an Pauline Mass all my life. I've never been to a TLM, but there is some mixing of the two that could produce a beneficial effect like the Pope says. Say the Lectionary of the New Mass integrating more scripture in the TLM, and Gregorian Chant, and Latin to compliment the increased active participation of the Pauline Mass. With these we could see a restoration of the Sacred starting to take place. But first BETTER Catechism of our youth must emphasized. They must instructed in orthodox Catholic Faith.

I agree with you, but I think we also need to remember that the liturgy does teach and is in fact the first place of catechesis. Good liturgy is good catechesis.

Am I advocating doing away with catechetical instruction outside the Mass? No way. But we should all remember lex orandi lex credendi- the way we pray instructs us in what we believe and what we believe dictates the way we pray.
 
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