Christ said that before his ascension. He did not know it then, he does know it now and he told Paul wheat events happen before the rapture happens and that is the second coming, resurrection then the rapture.
That isn't correct.
Scripture confirms that the rapture happens after the trib. No scripture supports anything else.
They are resurrected as well. Rev 20 only focuses on one group plus this isn't the rapture so it is irrelevant. Rev does not speak of the rapture.
They are Christ's army in Rev 19. The dead come with Christ to the clouds of the Earth, the living are caught up to the clouds and they follow Christ to the Earth for Armageddon.
There is no pre-trib rapture nor is anyone resurrected from the dead before the trib begins. There is one resurrection of the dead in Christ and it only happens at the one and only second coming. There is no coming before the second coming since the ascension.
You said...……….
"Christ said that before his ascension. He did not know it then, he does know it now and he told Paul wheat events happen before the rapture happens and that is the second coming, resurrection then the rapture."
I have no problem with the idea that Jesus who is now in heaven knows the time of His 2nd Coming.
I do not however agree that the Rapture comes after the Tribulation.
You said...………
"Scripture confirms that the rapture happens after the trib. No scripture supports anything else."
That is incorrect and is your opinion and not Scripture.
The POST Tribulation opinion is a major doctrinal flaw that denies
the imminent, sudden, unpredictable, return of Jesus Christ.
Although the word “Rapture” is a relatively new term, the doctrine of the saints being “CAUGHT UP” is plainly taught in 1st Thessalonians 4:17. The inspired King James Bible teaches that the
Rapture could happen at any time, suddenly, without any signs or warning. This is the basis of Biblical prophecy concerning the Lord's return, that is, that Christians all be on their toes, preaching the Gospel, walking uprightly and faithfully serving their Master, because their Lord may surprise them at any time by returning.
The Days of Daniel establish the 7-year time frame. We know that Christ is coming to “catch away” the Church. Since the Lord plainly taught that no one knows WHEN He will return, the only logical conclusion is a pretribulation Rapture. If the Lord isn't coming back for the saints until a later time, then we would KNOW exactly when He is coming back.
That my friend is where YOUR POST Tribulation Rapture falls apart!!!!!
You then said...……….
"They are resurrected as well. Rev 20 only focuses on one group plus this isn't the rapture so it is irrelevant. Rev does not speak of the rapture."
Ooops, wrong again my brother.
To the CHURCH Jesus said in Rev. 3:10...…….
"Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth."
In other words, we see Jesus promising the church of Philadelphia that He will rapture them before the great tribulation begins – it is a pre-tribulation rapture of the church.
Rev 4:1: After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, ‘Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter’.
Immediately after seeing the things which are, John starts the next verse with, ‘
after these things’
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After these things’ means after the church-age
John being called up to heaven is a revelation of how the church will be caught up into the heaven immediately after the church-age before the great tribulation period begins
The door of heaven will open, Jesus Christ will descend with glory to the clouds, trumpet will sound and the church will be call and caught up into the heaven.
You then said.……….
They are Christ's army in Rev 19. The dead come with Christ to the clouds of the Earth, the living are caught up to the clouds and they follow Christ to the Earth for Armageddon.
The Greek word translated “armies” refers to soldiers and guardsmen, and the fact that these are armies “of” heaven implies that heaven is their origin. The ones who most accurately fit the description belong to the great body of warrior angels, such as those who were standing by to defend the Lord on the night of His arrest in Matthew 26:53.
The church is the BRIDE of Christ as told to us in the Scriptures.
What king takes his new bride into battle with him? The Bride is seen in Heaven in Rev. 19:8 and then coming down out of Heaven in Rev. 21:9-10 after the battle is over.
You then stated...………….
There is no pre-trib rapture nor is anyone resurrected from the dead before the trib begins. There is one resurrection of the dead in Christ and it only happens at the one and only second coming. There is no coming before the second coming since the ascension.
Well, I am not going to argue that with you. You have made up your mind and you are welcome to do so. I do not agree with you and I do not believe that the Scriptures support your conclusion.
Personally IMO you have not grasped the whole picture of escotology. Please allow me to explain the two resurrection to you from the Scriptures.
Daniel 12:2 summarizes the two very different fates facing mankind: ………
“Many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, ------
1). some to everlasting life, and
2). some to shame and everlasting contempt.”
That clearly tells us that there will be TWO (2) Resurrections.
Everyone will be raised from the dead, but not everyone will share the same destiny. The New Testament reveals the further detail of separate resurrections-------one
1). for the just and
2) One for the unjust.
Then when we read Rev. 20:4-6 we see it mentions a “first resurrection” and identifies those involved as “blessed and holy.”
Then in Rev. 20:14 we see The second death which is the lake of fire,
and it has no power over these individuals in the 1st Resurrection.
The first resurrection, then, is the raising of all believers. It corresponds with Jesus’ teaching of the “resurrection of the just” in Luke 14:14 and the “resurrection of life” in John 5:29.
Now stay with me here and please use YOUR own Bible to verify what I am saying to you.
The first resurrection takes place in various stages. Jesus Christ Himself is the “first fruits,” as seen in 1 Corth. 15:20, and He paved the way for the resurrection of all who believe in Him. There was a resurrection of the Jerusalem saints as recorded in Matthew 27:52-53 which should be included in our consideration of the first resurrection.
Still to come is the resurrection of “the dead in Christ” at the Lord’s return in 1 Thess. 4:16 which you have correctly identified as the RAPTURE which happens before the 2nd Coming of Christ.
Then we see the resurrection of the martyrs at the end of the Tribulation Period in Rev. 20:4.
Rev. 20:12-13 then identifies those comprising the second resurrection as the wicked lost judged by God at the Great White Throne Judgment prior to being cast into the lake of fire.
The second resurrection, then, is the raising of all unbelievers; and the second resurrection is then actually the second death. It corresponds with Jesus’ teaching of the “resurrection of damnation” in John 5:29.
The event which divides the first and second resurrections according to the Scriptures is the 1000 year millennial kingdom. The last of the righteous are raised to reign “with Christ a thousand years” in Rev. 20:4, but the “rest of the dead [that is, the wicked] lived not again until the thousand years were finished” as verified in Revelation 20:5.
