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What do you think of the message Bible...?

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What do you think of the message Bible...?

I think it could be very useful in reaching young people, I like it, like in John 1 here:

1 The Word was first, the Word present to God, God present to the Word. The Word was God,
2 in readiness for God from day one.
3 Everything was created through him; nothing - not one thing! - came into being without him.
4What came into existence was Life, and the Life was Light to live by.
5 The Life-Light blazed out of the darkness; the darkness couldn't put it out.
6 There once was a man, his name John, sent by God
7 to point out the way to the Life-Light. He came to show everyone where to look, who to believe in.
8 John was not himself the Light; he was there to show the way to the Light.
9 The Life-Light was the real thing: Every person entering Life he brings into Light.
10 He was in the world, the world was there through him, and yet the world didn't even notice.
11 He came to his own people, but they didn't want him.
12 But whoever did want him, who believed he was who he claimed and would do what he said, He made to be their true selves, their child-of-God selves.
13 These are the God-begotten, not blood-begotten, not flesh-begotten, not sex-begotten.
14 The Word became flesh and blood, and moved into the neighborhood. We saw the glory with our own eyes, the one-of-a-kind glory, like Father, like Son, Generous inside and out, true from start to finish.
15 John pointed him out and called, "This is the One! The One I told you was coming after me but in fact was ahead of me. He has always been ahead of me, has always had the first word."
16 We all live off his generous bounty, gift after gift after gift.
17 We got the basics from Moses, and then this exuberant giving and receiving, This endless knowing and understanding - all this came through Jesus, the Messiah.
18 No one has ever seen God, not so much as a glimpse. This one-of-a-kind God-Expression, who exists at the very heart of the Father, has made him plain as day. Thunder in the Desert
19 When Jews from Jerusalem sent a group of priests and officials to ask John who he was, he was completely honest.
20 He didn't evade the question. He told the plain truth: "I am not the Messiah."
21 They pressed him, "Who, then? Elijah?" "I am not." "The Prophet?" "No."
22 Exasperated, they said, "Who, then? We need an answer for those who sent us. Tell us something - anything! - about yourself."
23 "I'm thunder in the desert: 'Make the road straight for God!' I'm doing what the prophet Isaiah preached."
24 Those sent to question him were from the Pharisee party.
25 Now they had a question of their own: "If you're neither the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet, why do you baptize?"
26 John answered, "I only baptize using water. A person you don't recognize has taken his stand in your midst.
27 He comes after me, but he is not in second place to me. I'm not even worthy to hold his coat for him."
28 These conversations took place in Bethany on the other side of the Jordan, where John was baptizing at the time.
29 The very next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and yelled out,
30 "Here he is, God's Passover Lamb! He forgives the sins of the world! This is the man I've been talking about, 'the One who comes after me but is really ahead of me.'
31 I knew nothing about who he was - only this: that my task has been to get Israel ready to recognize him as the God-Revealer. That is why I came here baptizing with water, giving you a good bath and scrubbing sins from your life so you can get a fresh start with God."
32 John clinched his witness with this: "I watched the Spirit, like a dove flying down out of the sky, making himself at home in him.
33 I repeat, I know nothing about him except this: The One who authorized me to baptize with water told me, 'The One on whom you see the Spirit come down and stay, this One will baptize with the Holy Spirit.'
34 That's exactly what I saw happen, and I'm telling you, there's no question about it: This is the Son of God."
35 The next day John was back at his post with two disciples, who were watching.
36 He looked up, saw Jesus walking nearby, and said, "Here he is, God's Passover Lamb."
37 The two disciples heard him and went after Jesus.
38Jesus looked over his shoulder and said to them, "What are you after?" They said, "Rabbi" (which means "Teacher"), "where are you staying?"
39 He replied, "Come along and see for yourself." They came, saw where he was living, and ended up staying with him for the day. It was late afternoon when this happened.
40 Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, was one of the two who heard John's witness and followed Jesus.
41 The first thing he did after finding where Jesus lived was find his own brother, Simon, telling him, "We've found the Messiah" (that is, "Christ").
42 He immediately led him to Jesus. Jesus took one look up and said, "You're John's son, Simon? From now on your name is Cephas" (or Peter, which means "Rock").
43 The next day Jesus decided to go to Galilee. When he got there, he ran across Philip and said, "Come, follow me."
44 (Philip's hometown was Bethsaida, the same as Andrew and Peter.)
45 Philip went and found Nathanael and told him, "We've found the One Moses wrote of in the Law, the One preached by the prophets. It's Jesus, Joseph's son, the one from Nazareth!"
46 Nathanael said, "Nazareth? You've got to be kidding." But Philip said, "Come, see for yourself."
47 When Jesus saw him coming he said, "There's a real Israelite, not a false bone in his body."
48Nathanael said, "Where did you get that idea? You don't know me." Jesus answered, "One day, long before Philip called you here, I saw you under the fig tree."
49 Nathanael exclaimed, "Rabbi! You are the Son of God, the King of Israel!"
50Jesus said, "You've become a believer simply because I say I saw you one day sitting under the fig tree? You haven't seen anything yet!
51 Before this is over you're going to see heaven open and God's angels descending to the Son of Man and ascending again."




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I quite like it. I don´t use it much but I don´t think a more precise translation is needed for every purpose.
 
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What do you think of the message Bible...?

I think it could be very useful in reaching young people, I like it, like in John 1 here:

1 The Word was first, the Word present to God, God present to the Word. The Word was God,
2 in readiness for God from day one.
3 Everything was created through him; nothing - not one thing! - came into being without him.
4What came into existence was Life, and the Life was Light to live by.
5 The Life-Light blazed out of the darkness; the darkness couldn't put it out.
6 There once was a man, his name John, sent by God
7 to point out the way to the Life-Light. He came to show everyone where to look, who to believe in.
8 John was not himself the Light; he was there to show the way to the Light.
9 The Life-Light was the real thing: Every person entering Life he brings into Light.
10 He was in the world, the world was there through him, and yet the world didn't even notice.
11 He came to his own people, but they didn't want him.
12 But whoever did want him, who believed he was who he claimed and would do what he said, He made to be their true selves, their child-of-God selves.
13 These are the God-begotten, not blood-begotten, not flesh-begotten, not sex-begotten.
14 The Word became flesh and blood, and moved into the neighborhood. We saw the glory with our own eyes, the one-of-a-kind glory, like Father, like Son, Generous inside and out, true from start to finish.
15 John pointed him out and called, "This is the One! The One I told you was coming after me but in fact was ahead of me. He has always been ahead of me, has always had the first word."
16 We all live off his generous bounty, gift after gift after gift.
17 We got the basics from Moses, and then this exuberant giving and receiving, This endless knowing and understanding - all this came through Jesus, the Messiah.
18 No one has ever seen God, not so much as a glimpse. This one-of-a-kind God-Expression, who exists at the very heart of the Father, has made him plain as day. Thunder in the Desert
19 When Jews from Jerusalem sent a group of priests and officials to ask John who he was, he was completely honest.
20 He didn't evade the question. He told the plain truth: "I am not the Messiah."
21 They pressed him, "Who, then? Elijah?" "I am not." "The Prophet?" "No."
22 Exasperated, they said, "Who, then? We need an answer for those who sent us. Tell us something - anything! - about yourself."
23 "I'm thunder in the desert: 'Make the road straight for God!' I'm doing what the prophet Isaiah preached."
24 Those sent to question him were from the Pharisee party.
25 Now they had a question of their own: "If you're neither the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet, why do you baptize?"
26 John answered, "I only baptize using water. A person you don't recognize has taken his stand in your midst.
27 He comes after me, but he is not in second place to me. I'm not even worthy to hold his coat for him."
28 These conversations took place in Bethany on the other side of the Jordan, where John was baptizing at the time.
29 The very next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and yelled out,
30 "Here he is, God's Passover Lamb! He forgives the sins of the world! This is the man I've been talking about, 'the One who comes after me but is really ahead of me.'
31 I knew nothing about who he was - only this: that my task has been to get Israel ready to recognize him as the God-Revealer. That is why I came here baptizing with water, giving you a good bath and scrubbing sins from your life so you can get a fresh start with God."
32 John clinched his witness with this: "I watched the Spirit, like a dove flying down out of the sky, making himself at home in him.
33 I repeat, I know nothing about him except this: The One who authorized me to baptize with water told me, 'The One on whom you see the Spirit come down and stay, this One will baptize with the Holy Spirit.'
34 That's exactly what I saw happen, and I'm telling you, there's no question about it: This is the Son of God."
35 The next day John was back at his post with two disciples, who were watching.
36 He looked up, saw Jesus walking nearby, and said, "Here he is, God's Passover Lamb."
37 The two disciples heard him and went after Jesus.
38Jesus looked over his shoulder and said to them, "What are you after?" They said, "Rabbi" (which means "Teacher"), "where are you staying?"
39 He replied, "Come along and see for yourself." They came, saw where he was living, and ended up staying with him for the day. It was late afternoon when this happened.
40 Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, was one of the two who heard John's witness and followed Jesus.
41 The first thing he did after finding where Jesus lived was find his own brother, Simon, telling him, "We've found the Messiah" (that is, "Christ").
42 He immediately led him to Jesus. Jesus took one look up and said, "You're John's son, Simon? From now on your name is Cephas" (or Peter, which means "Rock").
43 The next day Jesus decided to go to Galilee. When he got there, he ran across Philip and said, "Come, follow me."
44 (Philip's hometown was Bethsaida, the same as Andrew and Peter.)
45 Philip went and found Nathanael and told him, "We've found the One Moses wrote of in the Law, the One preached by the prophets. It's Jesus, Joseph's son, the one from Nazareth!"
46 Nathanael said, "Nazareth? You've got to be kidding." But Philip said, "Come, see for yourself."
47 When Jesus saw him coming he said, "There's a real Israelite, not a false bone in his body."
48Nathanael said, "Where did you get that idea? You don't know me." Jesus answered, "One day, long before Philip called you here, I saw you under the fig tree."
49 Nathanael exclaimed, "Rabbi! You are the Son of God, the King of Israel!"
50Jesus said, "You've become a believer simply because I say I saw you one day sitting under the fig tree? You haven't seen anything yet!
51 Before this is over you're going to see heaven open and God's angels descending to the Son of Man and ascending again."




Comments on this translation...?

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Thinking The Message Bible is too loose; too paraphrased to stand alone.
Heard of the EHV???? Its new and is now at Biblegateway.com to quote from. More akin to the NIV 1984.
 
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As a general rule I would stay away from paraphrases in general. The reason is paraphrases while sounding good in theory wind up as a commentary in practice. While I grew up on and still use the KJV, I think the ESV is in a form of English that even children can understand most of what is being said.
 
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1:31 seems particularly bad. It shifts the focus from the fact that John's purpose was to identify Christ, to the nature of baptism.

I think free translations serve a purpose, but not this one. I still prefer one of the older ones, Today's English, or as it's now called, the Good News translation.

1 In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 From the very beginning the Word was with God. 3 Through him God made all things; not one thing in all creation was made without him. 4 The Word was the source of life, and this life brought light to humanity. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has never put it out.
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29 The next day John saw Jesus coming to him, and said, “There is the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘A man is coming after me, but he is greater than I am, because he existed before I was born.’ 31 I did not know who he would be, but I came baptizing with water in order to make him known to the people of Israel.”

32 And John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down like a dove from heaven and stay on him. 33 I still did not know that he was the one, but God, who sent me to baptize with water, had said to me, ‘You will see the Spirit come down and stay on a man; he is the one who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 I have seen it,” said John, “and I tell you that he is the Son of God.”
 
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I like how they translate John 1:17
17 We got the basics from Moses, and then this exuberant giving and receiving, This endless knowing and understanding - all this came through Jesus, the Messiah.

It's striking. But I'm not sure how accurate it is.

"The law indeed was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." [NRSV]

Reading it in English, there's an implicit contrast between the Law and grace and truth. But is that actually implied? TEV makes it slightly more explicit.

"God gave the Law through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ."

I checked 3 commentaries. They all note that this isn't a Pauline opposition between the Law and grace. Common English gives the sense I get from the commentaries:

" as the Law was given through Moses,
so grace and truth came into being
through Jesus Christ."

But since there is no connective, this may be a slight overtranslation.
 
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