really? We should ALWAYS trust govt? lol lol lol nooooo. If we did that, we wouldn't even have our own country. lol
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What do you think of holding a suspect without charge for 42 days?
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seeker777
Thinking is not a sin.
Canada was founded on peace, order and good government. I don't know what country your from or what principals it was founded upon, but I'm just glad that I live in a country where the government and the police are trusted by the populace and where there exists a free press.
I'm also glad that I don't have to walk around worrying that the big bad government is out to get me....once again, the government and the police that you fear, is made up exclusively of members of our communities.\
If you fear the police, you fear your neighbours....like I said, look in the mirror, we should be afraid of you.
Only the guilty fear authority.
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seeker777
Thinking is not a sin.
Hmmm, let see....6.5 billion people live on the planet....how many police officers, maybe 100 million or so.....
You base your entire distrust of 100 million people on one example? I don't care if you have 10,000 examples....your basing your opinion on pure emotion, and not the facts....that's manipulative and kind of sad.
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CCGirl
Resident Commie
What a naive position. The police have arrested and prosecuted innocent people. My son was charged and went to trial at 14 because a girl (12) accused him of raping her. It was thrown out of court 6 months later due to her admitting she made it up, but the stigma is still there for my son 10 years later.
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one example? oh no, theres, plenty more throughout history....millions, to be exact.
and yes, I am from America, where our principles were founded by distrusting govt, taking our colonization soveriegnly in our own hands with force I might add, and then pushing westward until the ocean, no taxes without the representation <i>I</i> want and bombs, guns and bullets beer monster trucks nascar etc. =P im bein facetious...
im guily of something bc laws are just as guilty of unjustice. ~nod~
and yes, I am from America, where our principles were founded by distrusting govt, taking our colonization soveriegnly in our own hands with force I might add, and then pushing westward until the ocean, no taxes without the representation <i>I</i> want and bombs, guns and bullets beer monster trucks nascar etc. =P im bein facetious...
im guily of something bc laws are just as guilty of unjustice. ~nod~
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Robbie_James_Francis
May all beings have happiness and its causes
Sorry to be a Godwin, but it has to be said...Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Pinochet, Chairman Mao, Kim Jong Il, Robert Mugabe, the Burmese junta, Idi Amin, apartheid, colonialism, slavery, Tibet, Mussolini, Franco, the Vichy government, Milosevic. Care for some more, I've got plenty. And if you look at most of them and see who orchestrate, facilitate and propagate these atrocities, it tends to be the government, the army and the police.
So no, I trust those organisations to defend my liberties no further than I can throw them.
So no, I trust those organisations to defend my liberties no further than I can throw them.
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seeker777
Thinking is not a sin.
Thank you - You have just PROVEN MY POINT....THE SYSTEM WORKS AND CAN BE TRUSTED!!!
Your innocent son was acquitted of all charges.
The police lay charges based upon reasonable grounds.
The courts need only find a reasonable doubt to acquit.
This is your grand evidence of systematic corruption and failure....on the contrary, your example only proves what an excellent system that we do in fact have.
As an aside, the police don't do the prosecuting...rather a lawyer, known as a Crown Attorney ( In Canada) does the prosecuting. Seeing as you say your sons case made it to court, I can only presume that the Crown believed that there was enough evidence to prosecute...but the victim came forward and admitted that it was all a lie.
So, your placing your complete mis-trust on the entire judicial system based upon the alleged lies of a 12 year old girl?
What a reasonable position you hold....
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lawtonfogle
My solace my terror, my terror my solace.
Um.. I do think when most people say police they mean the entire system. Also, being arrested cannot be deleted from you permanent record. Hopefully since the child was... well... a child... then the record is closed, but had he been 18+, he would always have the stigma of having been charged with/arrested for a rape, even if he was let go. It is somewhat surprising how many work places ask for charges not conviction of sexual offenses. I guess they think there must have been enough evidence to arrest so anyone providing that much is too shady to work there. Anyways, do you really want us all to sit here and list every last detail for you? Is it too much to think that they people here will just list one of the cases which have affected them closely?
Also, I know of people being convicted of crimes, then a few months later the police turn around and say that their error caused bad evidence... after there was a conviction though. Damage done.
"Have you ever been convicted of a crime?"
"Yes, but it was thrown out as a mis..."
"That wasn't the question, now was it?"
You get the picture.
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CCGirl
Resident Commie
The whole system let him down. He had to withdraw from his Catholic school, he was not allowed to register in any school in our city, public or Catholic. When I tried to register him a year later at the Catholic high school, the principal would not accept him because she believed the police did not charge people for no reason. This is forever on his juvenille record, which can be resurrected if you have any charges as an adult. This spread like wild fire through the city because he was a well known hockey player, who also happened to be drafted by the Regina Pats, but of course that vanished with the charges. After the trial, the police told our lawyer (who used to be a crown prosecutor) that they were "going to get him one way or the other". He has been harrased by the RCMP for 10 years now. Perhaps we should have listened to our lawyer and left town.
The only grounds they had were the girls word. Period.
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So what? such frivilous charges can cost an individual thousands, if not more just to prove their innocence. This is supposed to be something that happens within a fully functional judicial system? Is one's innocence supposed to expend their time and money?
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EnemyPartyII
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Really? So, being 100% inoccent, you'll be more than happy to tell me your political affiliation, your mental health status, your sexual health status and complete history, your current income, and the last 100 internet sites you accessed?
Happy for that to be made public?
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