He most certainly did establish a new religion. That is as much a fact as the Golden Gate Bridge is in the state of California.
For the love of God...I'm going to ignore this one.
Hey! You're stealing my point. If God has not specifically told us that a behavior is sinful...and that behavior is compatible with the "Royal Law" of love (see James)...then it isn't a sin! Hello.
When God tells us specifically to do something and we choose not to listen and do the opposite (even though it is not strictly said so) then it is sin. Each husband is to have his own wife, each wife is to have her own husband, anything else that we think outside of that...is sin.
Yeshua commanded us NOT to worry (Matthew 6:25). Is it a sin if we worry?
He told us what we shouldn't worry about:
Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? -Matthew 6:25
I know first hand that when I started worrying about those things, I started doubting God and what He can do. Just follow what Jesus is telling you, because if not, it opens up an opportunity for Satan to seep in and yes, it will lead to sin.
But for me worrying about me following God's will...look at what Jesus have told us, am I worrying about any of those things He have ask me? No! And am not even using the word "worry" like you are thinking of it, I'm basically saying I care more about God's word in the bible than any other religion out there.
Like I said...they didn't claim to know the day OR the hour...but we are given instruction on how to identify the season...and they got that wrong.
Moving on from this subject. It's baseless.
I agree...that doesn't put their apostleship in jeopardy...but it means we must carefully consider everything in the Bible...especially given the scribes penchant for altering the text.
No where in scripture did it say that those who actually PENNED the scripture altered the text and therefore, I'm not going to look at the bible as if it's falsified. If you read the scriptures, you would wonder to yourself why it describes humans in such a way. We are not looked upon as impeccable, good, honest and decent humans beings, it showcases us as we are SINNERS who needed Christ to die for us so that we can be forgiven and have a personal relationship with God.
By the "Bible" I assume you're referring to II Timothy? Who authored II Timothy? Does it matter? When was it authored and what was going on in Christendom when it was authored?
What is your point?
Paul who was in prison penned those words through the Holy Spirit. And there are many more scriptures that tells us that it is God's words from the OT to the NT.
It said "the lying pen of the scribes". In other words...what they wrote. They altered the text to mean something that was not 1:1 with God.
If we are talking about scribes falsifying scripture than something should go off in one's head that says "if someone claim something is falsified then they must have compared it to the original and see the falsification." So therefore, we know that there were originals. I'm sure the falsified scriptures would not actually contain a section that says "these scribes falsified this particular document" so if we are reading a certain scripture that tells that the scribes were falsifying documents why should we assume that it is this particular doctrine that is being falsified?
In the text in Jeremiah that you are describing, God specifically explaining to Israel, why they are being destroyed. Because they were evil and that the scribes were lying when writing. NO WHERE does God tell us that those HE choose to WRITE His Word was the document that was being falsified. Therefore, I'm not paying any mind to this particular argument. Moving on.
That practice occurred through NT times as well and has been proven by Biblical Scholars.
I don't care if the practice was stilling going on. I am not told in the New Testament that men can have more than one wife or that wife can have more than one husband. I am told that each husband should have his own wife and each wife should have her own husband and that is what I will go by and I'm not going to sit here and say oh yeah, it's okay to have concubines when we are under the NEW COVENANT.
They can used methods to reconstruct a text which is closest to the original letter as possible...but there is still no way of knowing for sure since NONE of the original letters have been recovered...just copies of copies of copies during a time when literacy was extremely low...there were no copy machines and some of the scribes had an agenda. Just sayin'....
Those copies of copies of copies say the same thing, therefore I'm going with the word of God.
The same text that says "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the earth" is the same text that tells me "For God so loved the world that He gave us His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." I am not going to pick and choose to believe in certain parts of scripture.
Romantic love? Are you saying that romantic love is incompatible with polygamy? You'd have to tell that to the folks in successful polygamous relationships who are happy. But...to be sure...I wasn't talking about romantic love. I was talking about 1 Corinthians 13 love.
First show me in scripture those who had romantic love in polygamy? You always see one husband love one wife and tolerate the other and have babies...But again, I don't care if you can find 1,000 families that have romantic love in polygamy, I'm going to follow what NT tells me to.
Under what new covenant are we told that watching TV is okay? God generally tells us what NOT to do...and there is no prohibition of polygamy anywhere in the text.
Then don't watch TV. I don't care.
But I am not going to sit there and say polygamy is okay because that is what we see in the OT. We are not under the Old law, we are under the New Covenant and under the new covenant we are told one husband, one wife. And in Ephesians God further describes the role of the marriage when he gives the roles of husbands and wives.
Under what example do we see that bathing twice in one day is okay in the NT?
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Don't care, bathing have no barring on my salvation. If you never want to bath in your life, that is your choice, but bathing or not has nothing to do with salvation. However telling people that polygamy is okay when under the new covenant we are told one husband, one wife, now that is a salvation issue because instead of someone struggling with sin , they are now living in sin and embracing it.
Where in the New Testament are we told that we can have a polygamous relationship? One husband, one wife, that is what we are told.
