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I was having a laugh at that aswell. ^^Isn't it funny that most of the people who posted in this thread are atheists? Thought this was Christian Forums
Your point was a strawman. I'm not sure what I missed, as you haven't really explained it. You said that some people "think all the world's troubles would suddenly disappear if all religion would end" and this is a strawman.
So a religious text telling people to kill witches can't possibly inspire people to kill witches? I don't mean to be rude, but you're living in a fantasy world if you think that people can't possibly act in any negative way from reading and believing a religious text dogmatically. Ever heard of Sharia law?
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Why exactly do you feel you have the right to demand respect?
Ah. You're one of them, aren't you?
Respect is not something that is earned. It is something that all people are entitled to by default. People who think otherwise are a pain to be around.
Respect is not something that is earned. It is something that all people are entitled to by default. People who think otherwise are a pain to be around.
Have you ever read Freud's opinions on religion? (Of course you have. He's practically worshiped as a god among educated people for his revolutionary ideas.) He has very negative opinions about religion, basically equating it to a mental disorder, keeping people in a childlike state of mind. He blamed religion for many of the world's problems.
This is what I've found the most outspoken atheists to believe.
I find it obnoxious when atheists think they're the only logical thinkers in the world.
Most religions have some of both, but atheism, being the anti-religion religion, is limited to just the conversion of ideas.
Respect can be earned and forfeited. And you might consider that people may respect you but find your ideas contemptible. (By the way, I am not an atheist. I am a panentheist.)I have no issues with atheists as long as they're respectful to me. I return the respect because they have the right and free will to believe what they want.
I have no issues with atheists as long as they're respectful to me. I return the respect because they have the right and free will to believe what they want.
This thread has potential as long people honestly state what they think, it would be nice if they'd be open to talk about these opinions aswell to see if they are themselfs missinformed or are on to something real that some atheists reading this thread should watch out for if they recognize themselfs in it.
Though I like seeing some of the discussion about these opinions that going on already, I only hope these kinds of clarifications will be taken seriously rather then dissmissed.
I was having a laugh at that aswell. ^^
He might not mean that for am political perspective, just from a pov about who he likes to socialise with.Unfortunately, honest opinions aren't always appreciated here as evident by GrayAngel's opinion that apparently the 'good' atheists are the quiet ones who do not contradict or criticize his beliefs.
Pretty much,the two words fit together nicely in a sentence.Whats the differnce between logic and reason, or are you just taking the opportunity to give yourself two slaps on the back instead of one?
As would I, but there is nothing logical about defining all wolrd views from ancient texts based in ancient practices hence why it might come across that way.I find it obnoxious when atheists think they're the only logical thinkers in the world.
As do most of us, its when beliefs are pushed on others that we get irked.I have no issues with atheists as long as they're respectful to me. I return the respect because they have the right and free will to believe what they want.
Depends on the atheist. Those in places like Cuba and China who commit serious human rights abuses, I dislike a lot. Those who do things on boards like this one, such as posting pornography, profanity, or other things that they know we find offensive, I dislike somewhat. Those who come looking for honest discussion I can like.I'm just a little curious as to what most christian people think of atheists.
I'm just a little curious as to what most christian people think of atheists.
I my self am completely fine with atheists, the only thing that makes me angry is when they try to deconvert me. Luckily however that has only happened about 1-2 times.
Depends on the atheist. Those in places like Cuba and China who commit serious human rights abuses, I dislike a lot. Those who do things on boards like this one, such as posting pornography, profanity, or other things that they know we find offensive, I dislike somewhat. Those who come looking for honest discussion I can like.
But I can't guarantee that I won't find them amusing. As it happens I was an atheist until age 23, and oftentimes folks show up here with one of the arguments against Christianity that I myself would have made around age 16, apparently thinking that it's going to convert me. They're usually disappointed.
Depends on the atheist. Those in places like Cuba and China who commit serious human rights abuses, I dislike a lot. Those who do things on boards like this one, such as posting pornography, profanity, or other things that they know we find offensive, I dislike somewhat. Those who come looking for honest discussion I can like.
But I can't guarantee that I won't find them amusing. As it happens I was an atheist until age 23, and oftentimes folks show up here with one of the arguments against Christianity that I myself would have made around age 16, apparently thinking that it's going to convert me. They're usually disappointed.
Here you go abusing your philosophy terms. Maybe I should start screaming strawman at every opportunity. It might make me seem smarter.
My point was not to prove the argument wrong. If I wanted to do that, I would have taken a much different approach.
Have you ever read Freud's opinions on religion? (Of course you have. He's practically worshiped as a god among educated people for his revolutionary ideas.) He has very negative opinions about religion, basically equating it to a mental disorder, keeping people in a childlike state of mind. He blamed religion for many of the world's problems.
This is what I've found the most outspoken atheists to believe.
Some of the quieter atheists believe that religion has positive effects on some people. It give them a set of moral standards to live by, a community to keep them accountable, a sense of purpose. But they see religion as just another thing for humanity to evolve out of.
Any expert in the Bible will tell you that the Bible does not condone senseless violence.
People who killed witches had their own personal superstitions as their justification. They conveniently forgot all of the love thy neighbor, he who has no sin the first stone stuff, and saw with their tunnel vision only those verses which they could take out of context and use to their advantage.
Religion is not a fuel for violence. People will be violent with or without religion.
On several occasions elsewhere, though not on this board, I've responded to claims that Christianity is illogical by asking what logic system is being used. Aristotlean? Propositional? Intuitionist? Something else? I've never gotten an answer. Now I'm not speaking about you, as I know nothing about you, but it's my personal experience that people who make that sort of claim haven't actually studied logic.As would I, but there is nothing logical about defining all wolrd views from ancient texts based in ancient practices hence why it might come across that way.
On several occasions elsewhere, though not on this board, I've responded to claims that Christianity is illogical by asking what logic system is being used. Aristotlean? Propositional? Intuitionist? Something else? I've never gotten an answer. Now I'm not speaking about you, as I know nothing about you, but it's my personal experience that people who make that sort of claim haven't actually studied logic.
I supose iv not, but iv never heard any good arguments that say that it is logical, or more logical than lets say islam or FSM.On several occasions elsewhere, though not on this board, I've responded to claims that Christianity is illogical by asking what logic system is being used. Aristotlean? Propositional? Intuitionist? Something else? I've never gotten an answer. Now I'm not speaking about you, as I know nothing about you, but it's my personal experience that people who make that sort of claim haven't actually studied logic.
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