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What do you think about ephebophilia?

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What do you think about ephebophilia? Do you think it's bad like pedophilia? I have this question because in some historical cultures, it's not uncommon for people to get married during late adolescence (even under 18), and the bible said sex should only come after marriage. Do you think ephebophilia is bad and immora.?
 

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What do you think about ephebophilia? Do you think it's bad like pedophilia? I have this question because in some historical cultures, it's not uncommon for people to get married during late adolescence (even under 18), and the bible said sex should only come after marriage. Do you think ephebophilia is bad and immora.?
It's an example of mallum prohibitum. Something that is not morally wrong, but prohibited. You say "historical cultures", but that describes our culture up until around 50 or so years ago. Prior to that a girl could marry as long as her parents consented to the marriage regardless of her age. I know of one example of a 9 year old girl who married a 22 year old man and no one thought much of it. It was a bit unusual but was still accepted. My own grandfather eloped with a girl but I don't know her age at the time. Her parents had the marriage annulled because they thought she was too young. No kind of charges were filed, the marriage was simply annulled.
 
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What do you think about ephebophilia? Do you think it's bad like pedophilia? I have this question because in some historical cultures,
Most of the sexual abuse conducted by Catholic priests was ephebophilia (sex with 15 to 19 year olds) or hebephilia (sex with 11 to 14 year olds) and not actual pedophilia. It was called pedophilia but it mostly wasn't. And I suppose that's because most people couldn't pronounce ephebophilia or hebephilia.

Is it a lesser crime if done to a 14 tear old or an 19 year old? Most people consider it just as wrong. I do.
it's not uncommon for people to get married during late adolescence (even under 18), and the bible said sex should only come after marriage. Do you think ephebophilia is bad and immoral.?
The crime is inappropriate sex by an older person with a much younger person. People who are allowed to marry each other, such as two seventeen year old people is not the issue, presuming the parents of both gave their consent. Most states (except Mississippi age 21, Nebraska age 19) allow marriage at age 18 without anyone else's permission. Most states will allow it earlier with parental consent with many states allowing that at age 16 (Kansas age 15). That's not the problem. It's older adults who shouldn't be preying on children.

So ephebophilia is bad and immoral but two teens of legal age who marry (with parental consent if needed) have no issue legally or morally and it's not bad at all.
 
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Interestingly, marriageable age and the age of consent differs from country to country even today.

In the UK it a 16 year old is deemed to be able to give consent and to marry. In many European countries it is 14.
 
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Do you think it's bad like pedophilia?
Yes. And if you disagree, you are sliding down the slippery slope that will eventually normalize pedophilia. Because "love is love"...right?
 
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Yes. And if you disagree, you are sliding down the slippery slope that will eventually normalize pedophilia. Because "love is love"...right?
i think we all know that normalizing pedophilia is wrong. But my concern is, does the bible gets an minimum age where one can marry and have sex, because we know that sex should only come after marriage, and marriage should come after the start of puberty.

Because i have heard that it's not uncommon for girls to get married during their teens during ancient time, or even in biblical times.
 
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but what's your definition of children? Did people in biblical time got married during adolescence?
In this day and age those under 18. When it comes to Jewish children in biblical times, I don't recall scripture assigning an age of consent or saying what the age was of wives mentioned. I've heard it theorized that Mary the mother of Jesus might have been as young as 12, but as far as I know there's no biblical support for that. It could easily be that was a marrying age for pagans/gentiles at the time, but I have doubts it existed with in Judaism.
 
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However, since you are living in North America, justifying it based on other cultures seems kind of wrong.
Why?

The age of consent varies quite a lot around the world. It even varies in North America. what is it in Alabama, Montana or Hawaii?
 
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i think we all know that normalizing pedophilia is wrong. But my concern is, does the bible gets an minimum age where one can marry and have sex, because we know that sex should only come after marriage, and marriage should come after the start of puberty.

Because i have heard that it's not uncommon for girls to get married during their teens during ancient time, or even in biblical times.
This is true. In fact, many scholars suggest that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was around 14 when she conceived. Although she was a virgin, she was still pledged to marry Joseph.
 
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This is true. In fact, many scholars suggest that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was around 14 when she conceived. Although she was a virgin, she was still pledged to marry Joseph.
Is it biblical for an adult to marriage a teenager, if it is heterosexual and it's legal. I'm talking about modern time
 
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This is true. In fact, many scholars suggest that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was around 14 when she conceived. Although she was a virgin, she was still pledged to marry Joseph.
Does bible set a minimum to marriage?
 
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Does bible set a minimum to marriage?
The bible describes wives as women, not girls.


“Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. Luke 16:18
 
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