What do you see masturbating as? Sin? Sorry about all the topics you must have!

[Gamezilla]

It’s possible that your feelings of guilt stem from fear: you’re experiencing new sensations by stimulating your body in the “no-no place.” That’s enough to cause feelings of anxiety and uncertainty.



Says who? You? I’m glad to hear that 16-year olds are authorities on ethics and psychological standards of modern day man. I’m sorry, but simply because you experience feelings of guilt does not mean the act is, indeed, wrong. You just feel that way and morality is not dictated by your feelings.



Thanks for the ad hominem, but you’ll have to do better than this. You accuse others of having ulterior motives simply because they disagree with you. Forget the possibility that *gasp!* people disagree with you simply because you don’t have a strong case and the evidence is not in your favor.



On the contrary, I and others have pointed out the positive aspects of masturbation. Stress relief, increase of self-knowledge concerning one’s sexuality, the promotion of a healthy sex drive, a means of relieving sexual tension without turning to other means (e.g. promiscuity), not having to wake up in a mess of sperm because of wet dreams (for the guys). The fact of the matter is that any act is morally innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof in this discussion is not on people to show how masturbation is morally excellent; the burden of proof is on the prosecutors to show how it is inherently guilty in a moral sense (i.e. sinful).



“Sex can wait, touch!” Why wait to relieve sexual tension when there’s no need? Masturbation is a means of sexual relief until the proper time arrives so that the person can experience the fullness of their sexuality in marriage.



Another diagnosis from Dr. Gamezilla, eh? Interestingly enough, my main concern about people not masturbating is their inability to be comfortable with their own sexuality. If they’re afraid of even solitary sexual pleasures, how much more timid will they be in the wedding bed? The “ew, sex, icky-poo” attitude seems to be harbored primarily by non-masturbators. It’s these who do not touch who seem more likely to have unhealthy sexual relationships with other people. Those who touch tend to be more open about it and comfortable with the subject.

So you think it's honorable to resort to masturbation just because you can't get the real thing? Sounds like you are the one with fear, bud. It also sounds like most of you that are trying to debate how great it is for you have never had one sexual experience, except with yourselves, in your life. You're also the one making assumptions of how I think. You know nothing about me at all. Your assuming that I had a fear of it because I didn't embrace it and say "This is completely fine!".

 

[Jedi]

So you think it's honorable to resort to masturbation just because you can't get the real thing? Sounds like you are the one with fear, bud.

Haha, what? What does my not waiting have anything to do with fear? You may accuse me of being impatient, perhaps, but afraid? I’m sorry, there’s just no basis for such an accusation. Indeed, if there's anything in the world I am least afraid of, it's sex. I'm completely comfortable with the subject, which is much more than I can say for so many who don't touch and/or who condemn masturbation as inherently sinful.

It also sounds like most of you that are trying to debate how great it is for you have never had one sexual experience, except with yourselves, in your life.

That’s not true for me but we’ll save this for another debate.

Your assuming that I had a fear of it because I didn't embrace it and say "This is completely fine!".

So you’re not afraid of it? Then why do you condemn it? What reason do you have? And please, do better than floatingaxe by going beyond something to the effect of “It’s icky, perverse, immoral, abhorrent, blah, blah, blah.” Those descriptions are merely another way of stating and already stated stance with no evidence to support it.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Its a proven fact that masturbation also relieves stress.

The stress of guilt and of grieving the Holy Spirit is absolutely not relieved, but rather is generated!

It's a poor trade-off!

 

[Calliso]

Good to see that someone else in this thread feels the same way I do about this. It's sad that this argument has gotten so heated over a subject like this. It's also sad that some of these guys have to argue it this much to make themselves feel better. They have no more evidence that it's good for them than anyone else does about it being bad. It all comes down to pleasure. Like I said, what's the point? Why can't you wait till that special point in your life where you find the person you love? Is it not shameful to you that you have to resort to masturbation just because you can't wait or can't get the real thing? I know some of this might sound offensive, but a lot of people resort to masturbation as a way to stimulate themselves because they can't face a healthy sexual relationship with another person.

What do you mean by facing a healthy sexual relationship with another person? And what about those for who penetrative sex for either the man or woman is very painful? Is it shameful for them to touch even when they have found that special person? Or what if you never find that special person..not everyone in the world is that lucky. Also yes it is mainly about pleasure but what is wrong with that?

 

[Jedi]

The stress of guilt and of grieving the Holy Spirit is absolutely not releived, but rather is generated!

Except for the fact that there doesn't seem to be any evidence that the Holy Spirit is grieved over the issue of masturbation in all cases. It would appear that the guilt generated arises not from the Holy Spirit but from yourself and/or those around you.

 

[Calliso]

The stress of guilt and of grieving the Holy Spirit is absolutely not releived, but rather is generated!

It's a poor tradeoff!

How is it grieving the holy spirit you never answered that..also I donlt feel any guilt...

 

[Gamezilla]

Haha, what? What does my not waiting have anything to do with fear? You may accuse me of being impatient, perhaps, but afraid? I’m sorry, there’s just no basis for such an accusation. Indeed, if there's anything in the world I am least afraid of, it's sex. I'm completely comfortable with the subject, which is much more than I can say for so many who don't touch and/or who condemn masturbation as inherently sinful.



That’s not true for me but we’ll save this for another debate.



So you’re not afraid of it? Then why do you condemn it? What reason do you have? And please, do better than floatingaxe by going beyond something to the effect of “It’s icky, perverse, immoral, abhorrent, blah, blah, blah.” Those descriptions are merely another way of stating and already stated stance with no evidence to support it.

I'm just using your own tactics against you, bud. You said I was in fear because I did not enjoy masturbating. I used as much false accusations as you did, and I proveed a point. You know me in no way, but you claim that I'm fearful because I don't find masturbation as wonderful as you do. You have been putting words in my mouth throughout this whole debate. I never told anyone who masturbated that they were a bunch of sinners. I shared my experience, my opinion, and why I chose not to do it. You took it upon yourself to blast me as self-righteous pig and that I had no evidence to back up my claims except my OWN EXPERIENCE. I've been on both sides of this argument, and I have yet to take one side. I do not support it, but yet I do not condemn it. It's a choice that people make. What's God's view on it? I'm not sure, but I know that it's not something I'm comfortable doing. Sounds like your trying to use me as a way to vent your own frustrations about it. You are acting out of ignorance, my friend. You have yet to look back at any of my posts, because you were too busy debating with FloatingAxe. You obviously have a huge problem with what others do with their own bodies, but you have no problem trying to defend what you do with yours.

 

[Gamezilla]

What do you mean by facing a healthy sexual relationship with another person? And what about those for who penetrative sex for either the man or woman is very painful? Is it shameful for them to touch even when they have found that special person? Or what if you never find that special person..not everyone in the world is that lucky. Also yes it is mainly about pleasure but what is wrong with that?

If it's just about pleasure, then what are you accomplishing? Are you having that special experience with another person? Are you making a baby? If not, then what are you accomplishing? That's just my view of it.

 

[Calliso]

If it's just about pleasure, then what are you accomplishing? Are you having that special experience with another person? Are you making a baby? If not, then what are you accomplishing? That's just my view of it.

Why does it have to accomplish anything but pleasure? I mean before we touch or have sex..should we go hmm you know we should first discuss what we are accomplishing with this everytime?

 

[Gamezilla]

Why does it have to accomplish anything but pleasure? I mean before we touch or have sex..should we go hmm you know we should first discuss what we are accomplishing with this everytime?

That's what I'm trying to prove. What's the point? Other things bring pleasure. Why must you do this to bring pleasure?

 

[Calliso]

That's what I'm trying to prove. What's the point? Other things bring pleasure. Why must you do this to bring pleasure?

Well there is different kinds of pleasure, like I wouldn;t compare the pleasure of eating good food to the pleasure of masturbation they are both pleasurable but in different ways. And personally I like to experience both and many other types of pleasure.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Originally Posted by Floatingaxe
It IS ridiculous. Who said anything about prostitution? You are losing it.

You did. When I told Monica about my praying (begging) to God concerning my future wife masturbating. Memory going, is it?

No I didn't. Go back and read it. I have never even used the word "prostitution". Memory going? Going? Gone...

 

[Gukkor]

That's what I'm trying to prove. What's the point? Other things bring pleasure. Why must you do this to bring pleasure?

Why must anyone do anything to bring pleasure? There is no reason beyond simple enjoyment. I think if a person has to touch, there's a definite problem. I can't speak for anyone else here, but as for me, I touch purely because I want to, and since I'm not convicted of its sinfulness, I see no reason to avoid it. If you or anyone else is convicted differently, I would encourage you/them to follow your/their convictions.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Except for the fact that there doesn't seem to be any evidence that the Holy Spirit is grieved over the issue of masturbation in all cases. It would appear that the guilt generated arises not from the Holy Spirit but from yourself and/or those around you.

The Holy Spirit is indeed grieved by a man who would play with himself in His presence when he is supposed to be living for God and taking control of his thoughts and will. Sexual pleasure is the right of only the married, according to God--not single guys out for a little stress relief.

There are far more healthy, productive and wholesome ways to relieve stress of any kind. Get a life, boys and girls.

 

[Floatingaxe]

For once in this discussion, stop spewing diarrhea from your mouth and answer the questions people ask you. Mocking them does you no good.

I think your mockery is over the top. Your anger is like a tantrum a little kid throws when someone deigns to take a favourite little toy from him.



Hmmmmm.

 

[Gamezilla]

Why must anyone do anything to bring pleasure? There is no reason beyond simple enjoyment. I think if a person has to touch, there's a definite problem. I can't speak for anyone else here, but as for me, I touch purely because I want to, and since I'm not convicted of its sinfulness, I see no reason to avoid it. If you or anyone else is convicted differently, I would encourage you/them to follow your/their convictions.

Very well thought out post. The thing is that God created our sexual drive to have a healthy sexual relation with another person. Sex is God's gift to mankind, but don't you think masturbation is kind of taking the gift for granted and using it as something it wasn't created for? One thing I've heard a lot is that masturbation doesn't quench the desire for sex. In fact, it actually stimulates the desire. I also agree with that, because it seemed to do the same for me.

 

[Calliso]

The Holy Spirit is indeed grieved by a man who would play with himself in His presence when he is supposed to be living for God and taking control of his thoughts and will. Sexual pleasure is the right of only the married, according to God--not single guys out for a little stress relief.

There are far more healthy, productive and wholesome ways to relieve stress of any kind. Get a life, boys and girls.

I touch and I have a life thank you very much! Stop making assumptions about people you basically do not know at all ok.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I touch and I have a life thank you very much! Stop making assumptions about people you basically do not know at all ok.

With all the profuse and angry--even threatening arguing FOR the behaviour, you'd think that it WAS some of your lives!

 

[Gamezilla]

I touch and I have a life thank you very much! Stop making assumptions about people you basically do not know at all ok.

I agree with you. Jedi has made the same assumptions about me. This shouldn't be such a heated argument. Too many people are getting insulted.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Ah, but the two in combination work wonders for your stress level.

No they don't.