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What do you need clarified?

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics' started by Shahab, Jun 26, 2019.

  1. rstrats

    rstrats Senior Member

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    How do you get 3 nights with a Friday afternoon burial and a Sunday morning resurrection?
     
  2. Nihilist Virus

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    I don't think they were counting nights, but days. Legal days, as reckoned by an ancient culture.

    Even in modern society, if you were arrested on a Friday evening and immediately sentenced to three days of incarceration, you would likely be let out on Sunday at dawn.
     
  3. rstrats

    rstrats Senior Member

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    re: "Even in modern society, if you were arrested on a Friday evening and immediately sentenced to three days of incarceration, you would likely be let out on Sunday at dawn."

    If by days you mean calendar days, then there is no problem because at least parts of three calendar days would be involved. But what if you were specifically sentenced to three daytimes and 3 night times of incarceration?
     
  4. Nihilist Virus

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    Jesus, according to the legend, did not spend three days and nights being dead. Of all the problems with Christianity, why is this the thing that's getting you? :scratch:
     
  5. rstrats

    rstrats Senior Member

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    re: "Jesus, according to the legend, did not spend three days and nights being dead."

    That's an issue for a different topic.


    re: Of all the problems with Christianity, why is this the thing that's getting you?"

    A number of things in scripture 'get' me.
     
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2019
  6. Nihilist Virus

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    I'm not sure what the topic is then.

    How have you been finding the answers here on the apologetics forum?
     
  7. rstrats

    rstrats Senior Member

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    re: "I'm not sure what the topic is then."

    I can see why. I was having a senior moment by forgetting that this was not one of my topics. Sorry.
     
  8. Nihilist Virus

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    You originally asked,

    "How do you get 3 nights with a Friday afternoon burial and a Sunday morning resurrection?"

    The short answer is that you don't. But I don't recall anyone ever saying that Jesus spent three nights in the tomb. And even if this was a central claim of Christianity and turned out to be false, it would have no real impact on whether or not Jesus rose from the dead.

    If Jesus really did rise from the dead, then all valid criticisms of the Bible become moot. It wouldn't matter if the miracles and/or sayings attributed to Jesus are mostly false. It wouldn't matter how many contradictions and terrible commandments exist in the Bible. Christianity would still be the one true religion. Conversely, if Jesus definitively did not rise from the dead, then it wouldn't matter if every other miracle attributed to him was actually authentic. It wouldn't matter how accurate the Bible is or how well it could predict the future. Christianity would still be false.

    There is not definitive evidence in either direction, and that is enough to reject the resurrection because of where the burden of proof rests. We aren't expected to prove a negative.

    As for your issue, I'm totally lost on the significance of it.
     
  9. Tinker Grey

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    Jesus allegedly made a claim about his death and resurrection -- one that was not apparently fulfilled. That claim includes both 3 days and 3 nights.
     
  10. Nihilist Virus

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    Oh, good catch. I guess it is an actual issue. What are the apologetics on this?
     
  11. Tinker Grey

    Tinker Grey Wanderer Supporter

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    Even when I was a Christian I was never satisfied with the answers. There were two forms. The first we've seen here already -- he was in the grave on Friday, Sat., Sun.--That's 3. This answer simply ignores the 3 nights.

    The second is changing the placement of the crucifixion. I don't remember the details, but it moves the crucifixion back by claiming that putting him in the grave before sundown fell on the eve of Passover (noting that we get our Easter dates from Passover) which needn't fall on Friday/Saturday. If he were placed in the grave on Wed., then you have 3 full days and nights (and some slop) getting you to Sunday morning. Thursday is a little better. I've never seen any evidence that the Jewish holidays could be/were done this way.

    The best answer, were I too accept any, is that Jesus was speaking of going into the grave and coming out therefrom and that the count is merely a reference to Jonah and not necessarily to himself.

    Of course, an omniscient god should know how to communicate more clearly than this.
     
  12. rstrats

    rstrats Senior Member

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    re: "You originally asked 'How do you get 3 nights with a Friday afternoon burial and a Sunday morning resurrection?' The short answer is that you don't. But I don't recall anyone ever saying that Jesus spent three nights in the tomb."


    My question was directed to Shahab, the OP, who lists himself as a Christian in his profile. It is my experience that Christians generally believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with a 1st day of the week resurrection.

    As was touched on by Tinker Grey, the Messiah states in Matthew 12:40 that He would be spending 3 days and 3 nights in the "heart of the earth. I was taking a chance that Shahab may be a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection believer, thus my question to him - How do you get 3 nights with a Friday afternoon burial and a Sunday morning resurrection? However, it looks like Shahab has left the building.
     
  13. Nihilist Virus

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    Keep asking questions and follow-up questions. You'll see that they all bail out rather quickly.
     
  14. Eight Foot Manchild

    Eight Foot Manchild His Supreme Holy Correctfulness

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    What makes you think you are in a position to ‘clarify’ anything on any of these subjects?

    That’s what I would like clarified.
     
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