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Hi I53,
I know, I used to see these verses as you do. But under closer scrutiny, they do not hold up:
Just a brief scan in Chapter 5 yielded this:
Rev 6
9 And when He had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the Word of God, and for the testimony which they held.
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, Until when, Master, holy and true, do You not judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given to each one of them. And it was said to them that they should rest yet for a little time, until both their fellow servants and their brothers (those about to be killed as they were ) should have their number made complete.
That looks like believers and therefore the church is still there.
You quoted the Matthew version. Look at the Luke version, especially the question the apostles ask, and Jesus answer!
Luk 17:
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two in one bed, the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two shall be grinding together, one will be taken, and the other left.
36 Two shall be in the field, one will be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said to Him, Where, Lord? And He said to them, Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.
Weymouth renders 37 like this:
Luk 17:37 "Where, Master?" they inquired. "Where the dead body is," He replied, "there also will the vultures flock together."
They ask where the one who is taken will be taken to. His answer is nothing that would resemble the rapture. It resembles death... either by tribulation or by the battle Armageddon.
I know, I used to see these verses as you do. But under closer scrutiny, they do not hold up:
Isaiah 53 said:
Just a brief scan in Chapter 5 yielded this:
Rev 6
9 And when He had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the Word of God, and for the testimony which they held.
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, Until when, Master, holy and true, do You not judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given to each one of them. And it was said to them that they should rest yet for a little time, until both their fellow servants and their brothers (those about to be killed as they were ) should have their number made complete.
That looks like believers and therefore the church is still there.
I remember this one..
You quoted the Matthew version. Look at the Luke version, especially the question the apostles ask, and Jesus answer!
Luk 17:
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two in one bed, the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two shall be grinding together, one will be taken, and the other left.
36 Two shall be in the field, one will be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said to Him, Where, Lord? And He said to them, Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.
Weymouth renders 37 like this:
Luk 17:37 "Where, Master?" they inquired. "Where the dead body is," He replied, "there also will the vultures flock together."
They ask where the one who is taken will be taken to. His answer is nothing that would resemble the rapture. It resembles death... either by tribulation or by the battle Armageddon.
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