What do we do with North Korea?

[Fantine]

Having two people I love living in South Korea (my son and his girlfriend) I have a lot of skin in the game.

As I was driving to visit my daughter today, listening to the terrible news of the Charlottesville act of domestic terrorism, I realized that I consider Trump to be the real enemy of peace in our world and in our country.

Former President Carter, who spent many hours visiting with North Korean leaders, said that it is their fear of a preemptive strike by the U.S. that has driven them to develop nuclear weapons as a deterrent to our attack.

And so who is the greatest threat to world peace? Who is frightening them? President Trump.

Who is the greatest threat to domestic peace? Who is letting our domestic terrorists off with a wink and the idea that white supremacists and neo-Nazis were just two of dozens, perhaps hundreds, of equally harmless groups---like the protesters who were led by Christian ministers of Christian churches who upheld the Christian beliefs of Jesus to love one's neighbor as oneself.

 

[Traveling teacher]

You see, before you can solve a problem, you have to understand the problem...and you are woefully uninformed on a major part of this problem.

The vast majority of terrorist atracks in the West are committed by homegrown terrorists...!

Please explain how closing borders will address that problem...

Chicago drug gangs were created by open borders from mecican drug lords....
100 shootings a week in chicago
90% from drug related......
Blame dems and obama for open borders and the increase in drug war......
Ilegal crossings are down 80% in 6 months just because we have a president to inforce the law

 

[lasthero]

100 shootings a week in chicago
90% from drug related......

I'm sorry, where did you get that statistic from?

 

[Allandavid]

I'm sorry, where did you get that statistic from?

I'm sure it was from his.....never mind..

 

[Allandavid]

Chicago drug gangs were created by open borders from mecican drug lords....
100 shootings a week in chicago
90% from drug related......
Blame dems and obama for open borders and the increase in drug war......
Ilegal crossings are down 80% in 6 months just because we have a president to inforce the law

Oh dear....now it seems that reading is your problem....

Go back to your last post, the one that drew my response. YOU blamed terrorism in the Middle East, Europe and England on 'open borders'. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Traveling teacher]

How Captured Mexican Drug Lord 'El Chapo' Turned Chicago Into His Home Port
A person is shot every 2 hours in chicago
Killed every 12 hours
Do the math thats 12 shootings a day...85 a week

 

[Traveling teacher]

How Captured Mexican Drug Lord 'El Chapo' Turned Chicago Into His Home Port
A person is shot every 2 hours in chicago
Killed every 12 hours
Do the math thats 12 shootings a day
4300 in 2016

weekhttp://www.cnn.com/2017/01/01/us/chicago-murders-2016/index.html

 

[Allandavid]

How Captured Mexican Drug Lord 'El Chapo' Turned Chicago Into His Home Port
A person is shot every 2 hours in chicago
Killed every 12 hours
Do the math thats 12 shootings a day...85 a week

Oh, this is priceless...! Do you people even read your own sources before you hit that 'reply' button...?

Look in your Jackass source (how fitting) under Race of Victim/Assailant. How many Hispanics were responsible for those attacks in 2017...? 5...! That's right, just 5 out of 421 attacks in 2017 have been identified as being from the group you would wish to demonise...less than 1%..!

And you still have to show how that violence can be attributed to what you claim is an 'open border' policy.

What a joke...

 

[Fantine]

I read a statistic that in the past 10 years, Islamic terrorists only committed 20% as many domestic murderers as our home grown white supremacist/alt-right terorists (who committed 250).

 

[Allandavid]

I read a statistic that in the past 10 years, Islamic terrorists only committed 20% as many domestic murderers as our home grown white supremacist/alt-right terorists (who committed 250).

Yes, it's part of the same demonisation that our friends above try to perpetrate against the Hispanic community.

Fact is (and I do mean fact), if you're going to be the victim of a violent crime or terrorist act in the US, it mostly won't be a Muslim or Latino who pulls the trigger or throws the switch...

 

[lasthero]

A person is shot every 2 hours in chicago
Killed every 12 hours
Do the math thats 12 shootings a day...85 a week

First - where are you getting these numbers from?

Second - you do the math. 12 x 7 is 84, not 85.

Third, 84 is not a 100.

Fourth - really, where are you getting that number from? I happen to know how many shootings there have been so far in Chicago this year, and I'll give you a hint: while it is high, it's nowhere near what it would be if there were a hundred shootings a week. Or even 84.

 

[ananda]

I guess there is little reason to accept what you state as opinion or fact. You have rejected the entire military and intelligence community, all top media, and the federal government. I don't know who you might give as sources.

You clearly have every right to any opinion, but I would think that it difficult for others to agree with you.

I am merely pointing out the fact that - at least in my experience - all of the sources that you listed delivered false information in the past.

 

[ananda]

Do you see any reason to trust anybody?

Yes, when a source has proven him/her/itself over time.

There are many people who value ideology over facts, and Fox News attracts such people. I hope that does not define you. I hope you have some other way of determining who to listen to, other than to trust those who support your ideology.

I have no reason to trust Fox News.

So again, do you have reason to trust anybody concerning facts of world events?

ted koppel - Bing video

I do not know of a consistently reliable, accurate source of news regarding world events.

 

[Jenny_8675309]

Ladies and Gentlemen, we are in a hostage situation. Kim Jong-On has basically held South Korea, Japan, and American interests in Asia hostage. The first rule of hostage negotiation is to calm the situation down, to prevent things from escalating, to establish communication with the hope of getting the hostage taker to back down. That is what we should do.

Instead we have a madman as our leader engaging in a shouting match with North Korea. It is as though there are two men with guns yelling at each other to shutup or I will shoot. That is not likely to have a happy ending. Neither can back down from the shouting match and save face. Eventually, one or the other is like to decide that a confrontation is inevitable, and that the best chance is to take the first shot.

There are no good options. In the link below, 4 options are presented with the problems with each.
Must We Accept a Nuclear North Korea?


1. Nuke them into the stone age: Retaliation is still likely. Unleashes an enormous humanitarian crisis, and America loses all goodwill abroad.
2. Surgical strikes: Substantial retaliation very likely.
3. Assassination: You can't kill them all. Whoever is left is likely to lead a massive retaliation.
4. Negotiation and Sanctions, living with the best arrangement we can get: Not what we want, but probably the most humane.

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Edits to the OP:

1. By the way, the second optional was meant to be "Surgical strike". I accidentally hit the send button before I proofread the survey, and there is no way to change it now. Sorry about that.

2. For an evaluation of the current North Korean military capacity, see
2017 North Korea Military Strength

Why do "we" have to "do" anything? They're not interested in fighting a war, and we'd all do well to remember that military strongman rhetoric is great for despotic leaders to stay popular and for selling news papers. Reacting to ridiculously hyped up headlines i not helpful to anyone but certain people' approval ratings and certain media company bank balances.

 

[doubtingmerle]

I am merely pointing out the fact that - at least in my experience - all of the sources that you listed delivered false information in the past.

I am merely pointing out the fact that everybody has once delivered false information in the past. You have once delivered false information in the past, yes?

I don't see how that means you cannot trust the media. I didn't say the media is perfect. I say it can tell us things about the world.

By your definition it seems that you can trust nobody, and can know nothing about what is going on in the world. I disagree.

 

[doubtingmerle]

Even in American courts, if you've voiced your intention to harm me, it only bolsters my claim of self defense when I shoot you.

Exactly. When the North Korean leaders claim they are doing it in self defense, and then they are threatened, it just plays right into the drive for a "self-defense" rocket attack on Tokyo.

 

[Uncle Siggy]

 

[ananda]

I am merely pointing out the fact that everybody has once delivered false information in the past. You have once delivered false information in the past, yes?

The difference is - if and when I had unknowingly delivered false information - I never had any intent to provoke war or the potential deaths of millions.

I don't see how that means you cannot trust the media. I didn't say the media is perfect. I say it can tell us things about the world.

By your definition it seems that you can trust nobody, and can know nothing about what is going on in the world. I disagree.

I question everything.

 

[doubtingmerle]

The difference is - if and when I had unknowingly delivered false information - I never had any intent to provoke war or the potential deaths of millions.

And there are few, if any, in the media that intentionally published false information to start a war.

I question everything.

Me too.

But questioning things is not the same as saying that they are wrong. I accept all of mainstream media as a fact finding industry with a good track record. Yes, they sometimes get things wrong. But the vast majority of what they say is true, so if I read something in the newspaper, I tend to trust it as most likely true.

 

[wing2000]

Ya, like we were safer with the last guy -' right.
M-Bob

...our allies and service members in S.E. Asia were safer with the last eleven guys.