What do the terrorists want?

[royboy]

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And let's not forget that Australia's actions in Timor were supported by the UN.....

Jesus. So they were just venting. A-holes. I mean, it was just lashing out in revenge. He didn't say he was trying to influence our actions or anything.

 

[mwb]

Without wanting to excuse their actions;
Is it not true that we have meddled in their - and indeed most of the third world's business - even when we should not. Especially when we shouldn't have.

Maybe so but it's irresponsible to jump right to killing anyone who disagrees with them.

If every country operated like terrorists, we would have World War III.

 

[mwb]

It's not about deferring to the terrorists and letting them attack us at will. The thing is, if we actually addressed the source of the problem, there would be no need for retaliation because they wouldn't have attacked us in the first place.

In their world, the U.S. would give & give & give & probably be asked to give more before terrorists give an inch.

Look at the issue with the Pope's comments about Muslims or the cartoon fiasco. First they call for death. Then they want countless apologies. But no one is allowed to criticize a Holocaust exhibit because we are infringing on their rights.

They are insanely irrational. You'll go crazy trying to please them.

 

[CCGirl]

Let me point out that although kill all infidels is often chanted in the Middle East this extreme view would have failed if it was not "justified" by US's foreign policy.

Nobody was chanting kill all infidels before the Jews started migrating in Palestine and nobody would care about the infidels if the US had not taken upon itself to divide these people's countries for oil interests and nothing more.

The situation changed after the Israel wars and it got worse after Saudi Arabia started sleeping with the US to worsen after the Iran fiasco to become unraveled completely with your latest policies in Iraq and other countries. As the US continues to stick its nose into the affairs of Muslim dominated countries it will get much worse. The Muslims of the world see what a bunch of Christian white guys are doing to their fellow Muslims and they get enraged. Your president got it right in one of his speeches after 9/11 it is a “crusade”. By no means am I saying that Christians want to destroy Muslims but it sure as hell looks like that and when you are fanning the flames of hatred all you need is for something to “seem like it”.

It used to be that poor, uneducated, Palestinian orphans went into busses and blew them up. But now you have, educated, UK citizens, who have it nowhere near as bad as the richest Arab in Palestine doing the same thing in London... It is obvious there is a problem.

Religion is not the problem, I have Muslim friends and trust me they can be as capable of being moderate as any other person in the world. Religion is just used, hatred is born through US's and the world's actions and inactions. Promises of virgins and quotes about killing infidels are just the marketing strategy. It has been done before: crusades, inquisitions, Jewish holocausts (not only the recent one), KKK, Christian Identity, NLFT the list goes on and on and these were all done by supposed followers of Christ.

The people of the world stand between disliking the US and outright hating it (it is governments NOT the people who pretend to like you). The world cannot be all insane or jealous of your "trailer trash" prosperity if you want to find the reason why nobody likes you: Pick up a history book and start reading (anything with an "American interventions" chapter will do).

Thank you for an excellent summary of truth from all the rest of the world outside of the USofA.

 

[C.F.W. Walther]

Has anyone actually stopped to think about why terrorists are committing these horrible acts?

There has to be a reason right? Can't we address their problems using non-violent means?

People say not to negotiate with terrorists, but in this case, they aren't doing it for money right? They aren't doing it to get us to release prisoners.

So why are they doing it?

Lie, cheat, steal and kill all infidels. Read the Qu'ran and you wouldn't have to ask that guestion. It's a simplistic idea that has no effectual contermeasures except "do unto them before they do unto you"

 

[royboy]

Lie, cheat, steal and kill all infidels. Read the Qu'ran and you wouldn't have to ask that guestion. It's a simplistic idea that has no effectual contermeasures except "do unto them before they do unto you"

But it can't be solely because of their religion. Afterall, the old testament has it's own share of violent revenge upon those that would harm God's children right? But Christians (nowadays) have managed to progress to a stage where they aren't forcing anyone to convert using violent methods.

 

[C.F.W. Walther]

But it can't be solely because of their religion. Afterall, the old testament has it's own share of violent revenge upon those that would harm God's children right? But Christians (nowadays) have managed to progress to a stage where they aren't forcing anyone to convert using violent methods.

So what are you saying? Muslims will evolve into evangelical light bringers of Allah? Their religion is constant the same as it has been for over a thousand years. No evolving yet.

Christians are within the last 2 thousands years. OT people were totally different. Beside that OT people were total wackos. God came up with a different plan and got rid of them and involved the gentiles with the advent of His Son Jesus. There was no progressing, evolving or transitioning for Christians. They are a total different religion than OT Israelites.

 

[Jadis40]

What I'm wondering is whatever happened to the Muslim drive for study. There was a time when they were among the world leaders in astronomy, algebra, etc.

Whatever happened to that mentality? I know there ARE Muslims who truly reject what the extremists are saying, but why isn't there a wider and louder condemnation of what the extremists represent among their fellow Muslims? Of late, the Western World (I.E. European nations along with India and the U.S. and Canada have surpassed the Islamic world in terms of medical, technological and scientific research.

In other words, where are the Taqi al-Dins, Nasir al-Din al-Tusis or the Muhammad ibn-Rushds (all related to astronomy) of the Islamic world today?

I'd love to see a Rennaisance in the Islamic world, where they returned to the drive for advancing the world's knowledge in all the areas I mentioned before.

 

[royboy]

What I'm wondering is whatever happened to the Muslim drive for study. There was a time when they were among the world leaders in astronomy, algebra, etc.

Whatever happened to that mentality? I know there ARE Muslims who truly reject what the extremists are saying, but why isn't there a wider and louder condemnation of what the extremists represent among their fellow Muslims? Of late, the Western World (I.E. European nations along with India and the U.S. and Canada have surpassed the Islamic world in terms of medical, technological and scientific research.

In other words, where are the Taqi al-Dins, Nasir al-Din al-Tusis or the Muhammad ibn-Rushds (all related to astronomy) of the Islamic world today?

I'd love to see a Rennaisance in the Islamic world, where they returned to the drive for advancing the world's knowledge in all the areas I mentioned before.

Hmm, agreed. I mean, doesn't Western civilisation owe alot to the people of the mid-east?

The Sumerians passed on their knowledge to the Greeks, Greeks to Romans, etc.