What do the Conservatives here think of John Macarthur?

[GQ Chris]

 

[GQ Chris]

check the guy at 1:05 doing the Funky Chicken like he's getting Electrocuted.. Cool!!

and the guy at 1:15 that just drops like a Sack of Potatoes... AMAZING!! LOL

 

[MrJim]

LOVE MacArthur, Ravi Zacharius, Norman Geisler, David Hocking, RC Sproul....
let's see, who else? Benny Hinn and Jimmy Swaggart


=0)~

You'd be surprised~no one works over Hinn and the Word of Faith folks harder than Swaggart. His radio station plays locally~I'm surprised how much I agree with him on stuff. His "round table" discussions are really pretty good..the cross, the cross, always the cross Swaggart is focusing on..hear him again for the first time

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

You'd be surprised~no one works over Hinn and the Word of Faith folks harder than Swaggart. His radio station plays locally~I'm surprised how much I agree with him on stuff. His "round table" discussions are really pretty good..the cross, the cross, always the cross Swaggart is focusing on..hear him again for the first time

There was a time when Swaggart was kinda into the Word of Faith stuff... but he recanted that error. I guess that's why he's so hard on the WoF folks now.

 

[GQ Chris]

well there was that little incident with a young lass named Jessica Han

 

[MrJim]

well there was that little incident with a young lass named Jessica Han

That was Jim Bakker~Swaggart's encounter was with others...

 

[GQ Chris]

That was Jim Bakker~Swaggart's encounter was with others...

OH Yeah!! Man I always get them two confused.

 

[Nadiine]

There was a time when Swaggart was kinda into the Word of Faith stuff... but he recanted that error. I guess that's why he's so hard on the WoF folks now.

Ok you guys realize I was kidding about the last 2 names I added, right?

I remember Jimmy Swaggart got caught with a prostitute once and then I think there was another sexual scandal too? Anybody remember?

No I'm not trying to hang the man for his past - I just know that's what harmed his ministry so drastically. I think he's back to preaching again, I saw him on a Christian ntwk. & I think he wrote his own prophecy bible?

(I really should take notes when I hear stuff) heh

 

[MrJim]

Ok you guys realize I was kidding about the last 2 names I added, right?

I remember Jimmy Swaggart got caught with a prostitute once and then I think there was another sexual scandal too? Anybody remember?

No I'm not trying to hang the man for his past - I just know that's what harmed his ministry so drastically. I think he's back to preaching again, I saw him on a Christian ntwk. & I think he wrote his own prophecy bible?

(I really should take notes when I hear stuff) heh

He did a commentary bible like everyone else does

 

[Nadiine]

He did a commentary bible like everyone else does

ahhhhh ok thanks kindly

 

[MrJim]

ahhhhh ok thanks kindly

Interested? Bargain at $125 though Swaggart Ministries; though amazon has 'em used for under $30.

Then you can compare notes, Swaggart vs. MacArthur expositor showdown

...I've gotta go to sleep ....

 

[Nadiine]

Interested? Bargain at $125 though Swaggart Ministries; though amazon has 'em used for under $30.

Then you can compare notes, Swaggart vs. MacArthur expositor showdown

...I've gotta go to sleep ....

thanks, but I'll save my shekels for a tank of gas or something hehe

 

[desmalia]

Two things about Christian teachers.

One is that a teacher should be beyond reproach. So if they've got a serious problem such as being caught in adultery, with a prostitute, a homosexual relationship, etc, that is serious and needs to be addressed. According to biblical standards, they should step down, and I really think that means permanently. That doesn't mean they can't serve in the church (if they are truly repentant). But they are no longer qualified to take on a position of authority. It's just far too common these days to see leaders ignore that most basic standard, and so many evangelists seem to carry on as if nothing happened far too soon after the offense.

The other is that even Paul was glad for the gospel being preached even if it was with the wrong motives. So there is something to be thankful for even when there is a serious problem there. I try to remember this when I see Benny Hinn promoting what he does. Yes he promotes a lot of lies and does a lot of damage. But sometimes, just sometimes, the gospel itself is actually preached. And that is where the power is. Even he cannot stop that from taking affect on souls. So even with all of his evil we still have something wonderful to rejoice in.

 

[Nadiine]

The other is that even Paul was glad for the gospel being preached even if it was with the wrong motives. So there is something to be thankful for even when there is a serious problem there. I try to remember this when I see Benny Hinn promoting what he does. Yes he promotes a lot of lies and does a lot of damage. But sometimes, just sometimes, the gospel itself is actually preached. And that is where the power is. Even he cannot stop that from taking affect on souls. So even with all of his evil we still have something wonderful to rejoice in.

I feel the same way becuz of that verse too.

I know alot of people hammer TBN on alot of things (I'm not into the personal attacks on hair, clothing, makeup, etc.) & alot of the stuff is warrented as far as the false teachings that go on,
but alot are still helped by these ministries somehow.

It just shows me how much bigger God is than to have to only use perfect people with perfect churches, etc. He uses light and dark to reach people.

 

[desmalia]

I feel the same way becuz of that verse too.

I know alot of people hammer TBN on alot of things (I'm not into the personal attacks on hair, clothing, makeup, etc.) & alot of the stuff is warrented as far as the false teachings that go on,
but alot are still helped by these ministries somehow.

It just shows me how much bigger God is than to have to only use perfect people with perfect churches, etc. He uses light and dark to reach people.

Yep! Our God is bigger than all of that! So while we should still be diligent like the Bereans, we have nothing to fear. He is truly in control.

 

[GQ Chris]

God is Sovereign, even over TBN and prosperity preachers, haha.

 

[Nadiine]

Yep! Our God is bigger than all of that! So while we should still be diligent like the Bereans, we have nothing to fear. He is truly in control.

That's something I have to keep reminding myself repeatedly, that even when false teachings are abounding, He can still lead the lost out of it and into the truth.

But at the same time we carry on in our service & obedience to His principles. He's big enough to handle the false and lead people to truth who have ears to hear it.

 

[Nadiine]

God is Sovereign, even over TBN and prosperity preachers, haha.

I wonder if I was rolling in cash & jewels if I might be led to preach that doctrine?


Do preachers with meager incomes preach prosperity out there?
(oops, don't want to derail, sorry).

 

[GQ Chris]

Nadiine, have you been to John MacArthur's Church? because you're down there in SoCal..

 

[desmalia]

I wonder if I was rolling in cash & jewels if I might be led to preach that doctrine?

You've been blessed with the truth, and that is what matters, frankly. You've not been swayed by worldly things. That is his blessing on you! He's led you to the truth and that is something to rejoice in and be humbled by! What is prosperity in this life? Nothing! Riches in Him are eternally more valuable. And I praise God that He has blessed us with that.

Do preachers with meager incomes preach prosperity out there?
(oops, don't want to derail, sorry).

Frankly I'd be surprised if any did, unless they're just starting out and looking for a quick buck (you know, the whole "wolves dressed as shepherds" scenario). What you'll see among the persecuted is a focus on God and His glory, not on the enjoyment of this world. They know what matters in this life and the life to come. It's something to seriously contemplate for us in the free world. So often we've forgotten the urgency of this life. While I appreciate the luxuries in my life, I often have to contemplate sacrificing them if it meant serving Christ. Would I? Will I? I don't deserve these things. They are blessings. But do they serve Him? Have I given them back to Him where they belong?