I asked you some simple questions and you write a diatribe which really didn't answer me clearly if you understood what He was really saying. I will try to answer your questions though.
No, I don't believe so, I don't think I've ever heard of the 'New covenant of the Cross'.
The nation born in one day happened already, May 14th of 1948.
You don't really understand what 'to fulfil all righteousness' means here do you? This was between, John who was of the Levitical Priesthood, and possibly fully of Aaron's line (his mother was),he was also a prophet, it was between this priest and prophet and the coming King.
Do you understand that baptism is a Jewish ritual and that it is done for many reasons but the main is for a change in status?
Good, I'm glad you understand this, now maybe you can answer the question I asked, since Jesus kept all the commandments of the Torah (and if he didn't he would be considered a sinner) then that means he also kept this one:
"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the L-RD your God which I command you."
So since you believe he totally obeyed Torah you should realize that he didn't do away with it, because that would be the ultimate diminishing, right? And if he did indeed do this he would be in grave sin against G-d and could not be a sinless, unblemished offering.
Temporary? Expire? run it's course? So you believe that Loving G-d and your neighbor was only temporary and that expired?
So the Torah which was given to the Jews, doesn't expire for them, but it does for the Gentiles who never had it in the first place? How convenient and convoluted???
It would be beneficial to all here if you could insert some paragraph breaks in your posts, they are very difficult to read. Is that too much to ask?
lulav,
1. I disagree that it didn't answer your question.
2. The messianics I ever heard speak like Lowell Lovitt and others believed in the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ as the way to be saved. Orthodox Judaism is supposed to be pretty much Torah observant only.
3. Though Jesus never taught the death, burial, and resurrection message his goal was to die for the whole world as in John 3:16. Even John said, Behold the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
The Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God message was about the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants to be fulfilled. They were not because Israel would not repent. Matthew 23:37-39. As I said before, Israel missed the suffering servant of Isaiah 53 because they wanted strictly conquering Savior and did not want to repent.
4. I also said that Israel had the new covenant offered them in Jeremiah 31. They were to believe God and he would write the law in their hearts. This didn't happen the first time but will the second time.
If one don't believe Hebrews then one don't understand the difference between the old and new covenants. This is why it was written. This is why it is said that the new covenant was built on better promises.
5. I disagree with 1948 as the nation being born in one day even though I understand why you would think that. The context is prophetic to Zion travailing and bringing forth her children which is connected to the millennial kingdom. The jews as a nation have not repented and the Kingdom of Heaven reign has not been established yet and Israel has not fulfilled Isaiah 2:2-4 as the head of the nations of the world.
6. John was the forerunner of Christ and the last of the old testament prophets. He introduced the reality of the types and shadows and this is why Matthew and Luke said the law prophesied until John and was till John. It was because they didn't have to prophesy because the reality of the Messiah was there in the flesh, the God-man and this is why they were pressing into the Kingdom of Heaven providing they believed he was the Messiah and would save them from their sins.
7. I have stated that Water Baptism was jewish and was the purification for sin even though it never really saved a person for only the blood of Christ could do that. Water Baptism is not a requirement to be saved under the new covenant. It is a sign of one who is saved. But, if one doesn't believe in the cross then most likely they don't understand this.
8. How could Jesus add to the word of the Torah when he taught it and lived it. He lived the commandments perfectly to be the sinless sacrifice. The moment the kingdom was rejected is when he started to tell more about his death, and resurrection and this was part of what he fulfilled according to the law and the prophets. It was not the teachings of the torah then; for his mission was to save the world by death on the cross and it was prophesied that Israel would reject him and not accept his message. This doesn't make the KoH and the KoG message offer valid or anything of the sort. It was never prophesied that Israel would accept Christ.
9. As I said before, Christ did not destroy the law of Moses but when he fulfilled it, it had run its course it was automatically abolished by this virtue. I told you before that he was born sinless and had to live sinless in order to be the sinless sacrifice. If one doesn't understand this it is probably because they don't believe in the cross.
10. The bible specifically says that the law meaning the law of Moses was until the seed should come. This doesn't mean that it was not valid when he was born like some new covenant theologians believe. They believe this literally because they believe Jesus taught the new covenant which is not true. God knew that Israel would reject him and the cross was pre-ordained before the foundations of the earth. Hebrews 9:16-17 says the testament is no good without the death of the testator. The torah and the prophets were all they had at the time.
11. Your assessment of the new covenant not taken place for the jews but the gentiles being convenient and convulated is completely wrong and is a gross misunderstanding of what happened and what was to transpire.
12. The jews today can still be jews culturally but since the cross happened they are in the same body of Christ as gentiles and vice versa. This doesn't do away with their covenants being fulfilled. Paul says when the fullness of the time of the gentiles comes in Israel will repent and take their rightful place as the head of the nations for the gifts and callings of Israel are without repentance.
All things that Jesus fulfilled came true and was from the law and the prophets including his rejection and death and resurrection.
13. What part of the scriptures do you believe in bible? Do you just believe in the Torah only as in Genesis to Deuteronomy. Do you believe the prophets such as Jeremiah and Isaiah, etc.? Do you believe in the gospels or Acts and Paul's writings who lived the law perfectly until he realized that he was not a God pleaser going around killing people who he thought was opposing the law. He said he did this in ignorance but God had mercy on him. His message of the death, burial, and resurrection message being the gospel is the same that Peter preached. It would be more helpful to understand what parts you believe of what you consider bible and why. Thank you Jerry Kelso
