What do Evolutionists offer

[piglet17]

as evidence species ever change or changed into different species ?

The mere fact that there are (diverse) species ?

(Please don't offer websites as evidence. Rather, if any Evolutionist feels up to it, feel welcome to attempt to offer any actual observations, scientific data. Feel free to cut and paste from other sources if you think that can help you. Thank you)

 

[RobTheMagnificent]

as evidence species ever change or changed into different species ?

The mere fact that there are (diverse) species ?

(Please don't offer websites as evidence. Rather, if any Evolutionist feels up to it, feel welcome to attempt to offer any actual observations, scientific data. Feel free to cut and paste from other sources if you think that can help you. Thank you)

Edit: Hang on a second, let me get you a diagram of the evolutionary steps of a whale.

 

[RobTheMagnificent]

Here we are sir:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2C-3PjNGok

 

[piglet17]

Does Rob mean one whale turned into a nonwhale ?
Or started as a nonwhale, then turned into a whale ?

Merely conclusorily labelling an artists' or Evolutionists'
imaginary evolutionary steps of any life "evolutionary steps" doesn't constitute evidence of Evolution, much less proof.

Lastly, do Rob's mythical "evolutionary steps" go back to the whale, peanut, bird, dinosaur, monkey, and man's mythical common ancestor ?

All such imagination qualifies as what it is. Imagination. Contrary to reproduction as observed in nature. And to say the least isn't evidence of Evolution.

Thanks Rob

 

[Mallon]

For what it's worth, evolutionists aren't allowed to discuss evolution in this subforum, piglet. You might be better off asking your questions in the OT forum or the TE subforum.

 

[mark kennedy]

You know what, this isn't fair. If you want to accuse evolutionists of being mythographers then fine, take it to the common forum. I know when I'm spoiling for a debate I won't go looking for one in here. Certainly, Creationists are allowed and encouraged to come in here and be as critical of evolution as the rules will allow. I just think it's wrong to start a thread that invites a debate when this is supposed to be a place where Creationists have open exchanges without someone barging in and engaging them as if it were a common forum.

Do we really have the right to complain about debates in here if we are inviting them?

If you want a debate they will be more then happy to give you one, just kindly please take it to the common forum. I'll leave it at that.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[piglet17]

For what it's worth...

It's not worth much (am i allowed to write that Stumpjumper ? Is that politically correct ?
Is it "flaming" ? "Baiting" ?
Is asking about "flaming" flaming ?
Is asking about "baiting" baiting ?
Does it make a difference if an Evolutionist writes it, or a Designist ? Does it make a difference if an Anonymous (to me) Coward whines about it to you ?
In fact is that Anonymous Cowards' preferred method of "debate" : censorship rather than free speech ?)

...evolutionists aren't allowed to discuss evolution in this subforum, piglet.

i'd say that's a lie and you're liar yet again (how many times is it now?) except that i don't want to be "reported" for daring to use the l-word. So i'm not saying you're a liar or that's a lie.

You might be better off asking your questions in the OT forum or the TE subforum.

Thanks, i don't want to disagree with anyone. That might be against the rules here. Or disagreein too much

You know what, this isn't fair. If you want to accuse evolutionists of being mythographers then fine, take it to the common forum.

Right. This is the "Evolution agreement" forum. Not the Evolution/Creationism discussion forum. i apologize for taking advantage of you Mark. Keep up the good work

I know when I'm spoiling for a debate I won't go looking for one in here.

Then i better do what you do. Because if i do what i want to do, i'm wrong

Certainly, Creationists are allowed and encouraged to come in here and be as critical of evolution as the rules will allow.

That may be why somebody entitled here "Creationism." Just don't criticize Evolution too much. That's good. It sure beats free speech

I just think it's wrong to start a thread that invites a debate when this is supposed to be a place where Creationists have open exchanges without someone barging in and engaging them as if it were a common forum.

Debate could be "open exchanges" if it weren't censored. i called for no censorship of anyone. There's no need to. Evolutionists posts themselves are mostly the best argument against Evolution. But who was forcing Mark's eyes to look at this thread, and forcing his fingers to type into it ? After they "barged in" did they hold a gun to your head at your computer ? Make mean calls at night ? Quick. Call the thought-police. They'll protect you

Do we really have the right to complain about debates in here if we are inviting them?

If you want a debate they will be more then happy to give you one, just kindly please take it to the common forum. I'll leave it at that.

Grace and peace,
Mark

Now i confess i'm not certain who Mark's complaining about. Creationists ? Evolutionists ? Debaters ? If you've got nothing to contribute on point to the OP, dear Mark, please kindly start your own thread and don't post here. Kindly

 

[mark kennedy]

Right. This is the "Evolution agreement" forum. Not the Evolution/Creationism discussion forum. i apologize for taking advantage of you Mark. Keep up the good work

This is the Creationism forum buddy, straight up and flat out. We have had one Creationist after another ran out of here with these vicious debate tactics and it drives me up the wall.

Then i better do what you do. Because if i do what i want to do, i'm wrong




That may be why somebody entitled here "Creationism." Just don't criticize Evolution too much. That's good. It sure beats free speech

You have got to be putting me on. Criticize evolution as much as you like but if you are looking for a debate take it elsewhere, I'm sure they will be happy to accomodate you.

Debate could be "open exchanges" if it weren't censored. i called for no censorship of anyone. There's no need to. Evolutionists posts themselves are mostly the best argument against Evolution. But who was forcing Mark's eyes to look at this thread, and forcing his fingers to type into it ? After they "barged in" did they hold a gun to your head at your computer ? Make mean calls at night ? Quick. Call the thought-police. They'll protect you




Now i confess i'm not certain who Mark's complaining about. Creationists ? Evolutionists ? Debaters ? If you've got nothing to contribute on point to the OP, dear Mark, please kindly start your own thread and don't post here. Kindly

It's called trolling and if you don't stop I will simply report you. But then again I am just tired enough of you tactics to take that challenge on. Please allow me to introduce my views to you, I not only believe that whales evolved as described, I am convinced that it did not take millions of years for it to happen.

You just don't get it. YEC is the most radical evolutionary theory in the world. By the way, I will be starting my own thread and one of the things I want to address is the shallow tactics of Creationists at large.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[Molal]

As pointed out - this is a forum for creationists to discuss creation and the idea's surrounding creation as it pertains to the Bible. If anyone wishes to debate evolution, please post in the main forum.

Thank you.

Molal

 

[mark kennedy]

I like to think of myself as open minded so I think I have an idea of how to get this thread on track. Darwin had an idea that some aquadic creature became a land dwelling creature only to return to the see. When Darwin was unable to defend this view he subsequently withdrew this idea from later revisions of On the Origin of Species. The question of proof has been addressed but there are a lot of problems with it. I found a couple of articles by creationists that I found very interesting:

http://www.bryancore.org/bsg/opbsg/007.pdf

http://www.ridgenet.net/~do_while/sage/v3i11f.htm​

I'll buy that these fossils are transitional but without detailed DNA comparisions what they evolved from and to is largely speculative.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[piglet17]

9 As pointed out - this is a forum for creationists to discuss creation and the idea's surrounding creation as it pertains to the Bible. If anyone wishes to debate evolution, please post in the main forum.

As pointed out by Christianforums.com's "Origins Theology" subtitle: "Forum for the discussion of Creation Science (Young/Old) vs Theistic Evolution..."

If that subtitle's a Christianforums.com falsehood, could you be so kind as to change it Molal ?

8 This is the Creationism forum buddy, straight up and flat out.

Straight up and flat out genius, that's not what "Origin Theology"'s subtitle reads.

We have had one Creationist after another ran out of here with these vicious debate tactics and it drives me up the wall.

If this makes any sense to anyone, including it's writer, please feel welcome to clue me in

You have got to be putting me on. Criticize evolution as much as you like but if you are looking for a debate take it elsewhere, I'm sure they will be happy to accomodate you.

Mebbe Christianforums.com's "Origins Theology" subtitle is putting me on. Or you never noticed it. If you're not looking to participate rationally in my thread, please take it elsewhere. Mebbe they'll be happy to accomodate you Mark

It's called trolling and if you don't stop I will simply report you.

Go for it. It's called censorship. It can also be called weird. If you have nothing to say, please feel invited and requested by me to take your "nothing to say" elsewhere. i won't whine, or cowardly censor, about you however. That may be your way, it's not mine

But then again I am just tired enough of you tactics to take that challenge on.

i, however, refuse to sink to your base level of meaningless names and pompous censorship whinings

Please allow me to introduce my views to you, I not only believe that whales evolved as described, I am convinced that it did not take millions of years for it to happen.

So you r a Creationism Evolutionist ?
An Evolutionary Creationist ?
Isn't that's what they call "Theistic Evolution" ?
That forum also is included under Christianforums.com's "Origins Theology" subtitle. Which, in case Molal or you forgot, reads:
"Forum for the discussion of Creation Science (Young/Old) VS Theistic Evolution" (emphasis added).

Or is it your theory that "discussion" can't include debate or disagreement ?
"Nondisagreement discussion." Is that the same as
"Creationism Evolution" ? Or is "Creationism Evolution" really identical to Theistic Evolution ?

You just don't get it. YEC is the most radical evolutionary theory in the world. By the way, I will be starting my own thread and one of the things I want to address is the shallow tactics of Creationists at large.

No, Mark, forgive me. i don't get what you're talking about. Are you saying you're YEC ? Not YEC ?
Are you accusing me of YEC ? Are you boasting that you're YEC ? Are you saying that creation = Evolution ?
That's what Theistic Evolution says.
Are you saying "Theistic Evolution" and "Creationism" subforums are identical ?

 

[Tinker Grey]

Hey piglet17,

Nothing in any description needs to change. Just your understanding needs to change.

1. Origin Theology -- The place where debate can occur between adherents of different origin perspectives
   • Creationism -- The place where creationists of all stripes (YEC, OEC, and ID) can discuss their perspectives without having to answer evolutionist objections.
   • Theistic Evolution -- The place where Christians who believe that evolution was God's primary tool in making the world as it is (at least in regards to organisms).

It just isn't that hard.

ETA: It would appear that the time stamps on this website are all messed up. This post was written in response to piglet17's post titled re: 9 Molal's confusion; 8 Mark Kennedy's confusion which in my viewing shows up after my post. *shrug*

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

Just for the record Mr piglet, I don't believe whales evolved either, and as evolutionists arn't allowed on here, nobody can argue with me. Ha Ha..

 

[mark kennedy]

Straight up and flat out genius, that's not what "Origin Theology"'s subtitle reads.

I can see this is going nowhere.

If this makes any sense to anyone, including it's writer, please feel welcome to clue me in

No problem, the petty rudeness has driven Creationists to the point where the abandon the boards. When I was moderating it was actually rare for Creationists to troll these boards but apparently it's more common now.

Mebbe Christianforums.com's "Origins Theology" subtitle is putting me on. Or you never noticed it. If you're not looking to participate rationally in my thread, please take it elsewhere. Mebbe they'll be happy to accomodate you Mark

I will post where I please and trust me when I tell you your thread is about as interesting as a train crash.

Go for it. It's called censorship. It can also be called weird. If you have nothing to say, please feel invited and requested by me to take your "nothing to say" elsewhere. i won't whine, or cowardly censor, about you however. That may be your way, it's not mine

You have now graduated from troll to flamer. My guess is that your either not a Creationists or you are totally confused what is discussed in these debates.

i, however, refuse to sink to your base level of meaningless names and pompous censorship whinings

Yea, my guess is your an evolutionist just playing the instigator.

So you r a Creationism Evolutionist ?
An Evolutionary Creationist ?
Isn't that's what they call "Theistic Evolution" ?
That forum also is included under Christianforums.com's "Origins Theology" subtitle. Which, in case Molal or you forgot, reads:
"Forum for the discussion of Creation Science (Young/Old) VS Theistic Evolution" (emphasis added).

I said I am a Young Earth Creationist which makes me the most radical evolutionist around. How many founder/parent species do you think walked off Noah's Ark. How many species have evolved from those parental types in...oh...4,000 years?

Or is it your theory that "discussion" can't include debate or disagreement ?

No, you just have to keep it civil and friendly in a discussion with fellow Creationists and not feel the trolls.

"Nondisagreement discussion." Is that the same as
"Creationism Evolution" ? Or is "Creationism Evolution" really identical to Theistic Evolution ?

You are talking in circles so fast I can't make heads or tails of it.

No, Mark, forgive me. i don't get what you're talking about. Are you saying you're YEC ? Not YEC ?
Are you accusing me of YEC ? Are you boasting that you're YEC ? Are you saying that creation = Evolution ?
That's what Theistic Evolution says.
Are you saying "Theistic Evolution" and "Creationism" subforums are identical ?

I'm saying that whales evolving from terrestrial animals transposing into amphibian creatures. I'm saying that the evidence as presented indicates dramatic transformations. Sure the Darwinians stretch it to all kinds of extremes but did you know that most of the transitionals were contemporaries. Same with the hominid fossils and if you really look at the evidence it's not that hard to see.

I don't know if your overzealous or just putting us all on but your tactics are less then impressive.