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What do Deists think of atheists?

Discussion in 'Christianity and World Religion' started by hordeprime, Sep 30, 2004.

  1. hordeprime

    hordeprime God loves Atheists.

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    Let me first say that I have developed a great deal of respect for the Deist posters I have identified on this site. I frequent the General Apologetics section, the Creation & Evolution section, and lastly this section.

    Over on GA and C&E, the sparks fly as atheists and Christians duke it out for intellectual bragging rights. In the midst of it all I see scattered Desists chiming in with their points of view.

    I would best describe Deists posts as thoughtful, educated, and generally enlightened. I have seen Deists intelligently debate on matters of science, philosophy, and even Biblical scripture. I have yet to see Deists engage in scathing attacks on atheists, which I personally appreciate and respect. In fact, I have never seen Deists “attack” anybody. (Are there Fundy Deists?)

    As I look through www.deism.com, I read about political, intellectual, and religious perspectives that I can hardly disagree with. Deism is a philosophy that rejects organized, “revealed” religions, superstition, and dogma; much the same way your average atheist does. While the gap between Christianity and atheism often seems like a chasm, the difference between Deism and atheism, insofar as one proposes a God and one does not, seems almost negligible.

    My heart then sank as I clicked on this link that lead to an essay on the Deist outlook toward atheism. While I first thought I should go through it and point out what I feel is wrong with it, then ask Deists to defend the article, I later thought of a better avenue; simply ask Deists here what they think of atheism. After all, I feel it is not our critiques of arguments that build understanding, but questioning and learning.

    I will start off by clarifying some points about my personal position as an atheist. I feel that atheism vs. Deism is an entirely different matter than atheism vs. Christianity. I think most atheists will agree that the propositions of the Deist idea of God are far less…unreasonable and much harder to dismiss. In fact, since Deists are not threatening to burn us at the stake, we atheists don’t seem to be in much of a rush to prove Deism wrong.

    However, I will say that I think the above article commits a burden of proof fallacy, misrepresenting the atheist’s position. I would not personally claim that the Deist God could be proven to not exist. It would be more appropriate to say that I do not believe in the Deist God because I do not yet see how Deism meets a burden of proof that might satisfy me. The article also misrepresents atheists as dogmatic and closed-minded. I don’t think this is accurate, as I am well aware of the fact that I do not yet know everything about Deism and pro-Deist-God claims. I don’t think most people do. So ignorance is a factor I do not deny nor do most atheists. Perhaps I am not a Deist because I simply haven't looked into it enough.

    So tell me, what do Deists think of atheism? You gotta problem? :sorry:
     
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  2. Silent Bob

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    Truly in most aspects a Deist and an Atheist see eye to eye. When it comes to God there is a slight complication but I see past such things. After all we are all freethinkers.

    Some Deists have been attacked from time to time by Atheists in forums such as the iidb. And this causes Deists to be a bit biased against Atheists but I care little about personal disputes.

    I think that there is no proof to be offered by neither side. Whether you believe that God exists or not there is no positive way to prove it so it is personal choice. And I tend to respect people's choices when they hurt nobody.
     
  3. silverflare

    silverflare Friend of Logic & Reason

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    I agree wholeheartedly. Deism is something I both admire and respect. They are wonderful allies in the freethought community and extremely logical and intelligent people. I have no interest in attacking the Deist POV.
     
  4. Desinov

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    You Atheists are the scum of the world! I hope you all die!

    lol, just messin ya.

    I have nothing against Atheists or Atheism in general. Matter of fact, in the fight against fundiemental Christianity, I find Atheists are often my strongest ally.
     
  5. hordeprime

    hordeprime God loves Atheists.

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    Today, I likened it to the idea of watching my brother attack my cousin.
     
  6. Hydra009

    Hydra009 bel esprit

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    That's very true. It would be pointless to antagonize a belief system that I consider noble.

    Here's something interesting: 2 years ago, I didn't know deists existed. I had simply never heard about them before reading Thomas Paine's Age of Reason. But since then, I have found out that they are very admirable people who have miraculously managed to seperate what I consider to be human fantasies and mythologies from the divine. That's quite an astounding feat, and they have my respect for it.

    It's the strangest thing, I've noticed that the phenomenon of theological fundamentalism has enormous capacity for uniting (at least for the time being) people with widely different theological beliefs.
     
  7. ericf

    ericf Credo Quia Absurdum

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    As far as I understand it, deists are fairly tolerant of most views on God. They get a little upset when people insult their God -- which is what the Age of Reason was all about... but, for the most part, they do not feel a need to violently defend their God. Atheists just claim that God isn't up there. That's not a threat to deists because it doesn't matter what the atheist believes about God... it is even likely that God doesn't care that much as long as the atheist was a good person.

    And so on. The deists actually realize that God can do his own judging of other people. Most atheists like deists for reasons already stated... one being that their God isn't self-contradictory.
     
  8. Hydra009

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    bump so more deists see this thread
     
  9. Silent Bob

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    I managed to do all that!!! :cool:

    Sometimes I amaze myself LOL.

    Seriously now I sometimes consider my belief in God to be a sign of weakness as if I am too scared to face death without afterlife. But then I look around and see all the wonders of the world and I am sure there is something behind all that. Science is to be highly regarded but art, beauty and love cannot be attributed entirely to chemicals and electronic signals. There is a missing link that so far no scientific theory can explain no mathematical formula can predict and I like it like that. :)

    Man I should never have taken ecstasy when I was in Uni. ROLF!
     
  10. Hydra009

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    Well, there were those who came before who paved the way. We do indeed stand on the shoulders of giants.

    Actually, deism is probably the most amazing thing in theology that I can think of. Who could imagine a God so incompotent that he built a universe so poorly that he constantly has to intervene on its behalf? Or a God who speaks only to prophets or followers and not to the whole of the world? Or a God that demands that his followers slaughter his other creations in his name? It's insanity!
     
  11. Holy Heretic

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    I usaully call myself a Universist{the movement which aims to unite Atheists,agnostics,deists,pantheists,trancendentalists}- i am mostly deistic but also borrow from pantheism,new ageism, and whatever else makes sense to me.

    My personal feelings on Atheism. I personally disagree w/the athiest position, since I personally see design in the Universe and enough evidence to satisfy me that there is a creator of some sorts. If athiests don't see this, whatever, as long as they arrive at their beliefs through "reason", and as long as they are'nt like hardcore fundy athiests that would equate us deists,etc with revealed religonists. Hey, it's all cool

    "It's not what you beleive, it's HOW you believe it"-United Universists

    So Athiest brothers and sisters, I embrace you as fellow rationalists as all Universists do {deist or otherwise}.

    :thumbsup:
     
  12. Dagda

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    I don't have a problem with Atheists because the more I get to know many Christians the more I can see why some Atheists take a hardline, I don't mean that negatively either. It's in self-defense that Atheists have to be vehement at times. I haven't had an Atheist treat me with contempt so far.

    Maybe Atheists and Deists are 3rd cousins twice removed or something. But we are both "that bunch" down the street from the big ol' Christian house.:thumbsup::)
     
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