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Hi, I would watch all of it if my internet connection wasn't painfully slow. I watched it up to around about where she mentions morality (a minute or so). At the start she says she is a secular humanist and an atheist so most of what follows probably reflects this. Secular humanism isn't very well known in Australia, it has some good ideas you might like to hear.
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The nets good like that.that's neat then. i did read about secular humanism and it is an attempt to function as a civilized human being with the exclusion of God and his moral principles!
and i can see where you came with australia not being well known for secular humanism because its really well known for a high percentage in christianity surprisingly!
and its nice to know you live in australia dude! i live in the united states!
Partly I would feel crazy if I did that for the sake of it, partly I wouldn't like the social ramifications of accepting it either. I could simply say that I believe in it, I don't think this is actually going to affect my beliefs or not though. So in a way to say I believe is in my opinion would really just be a statement, a sort of way of telling everyone - " I want to be identified as a Christian ". Whereas I do think the possibility of one is there, I don't necessarily think any version of God should be better than any other, even down to the individual interpretation.Hey undoing...do you WANT to believe what christians say? That's what it seems like to me, like you are looking for a reason to believe...right? If so, then JUST BELIEVE! What harm WILL it do to just put your faith in it? It's not like you are saying to the world that you believe in the boogy man...Christianity is well founded, and you will not be considered crazy. Lol.
I'm amused by this. In a way I think you're absolutely correct, although for me this also raises the next question of which one to follow.I-can-see said:Why not just believe without current proof? Think of it THIS way. What if Christians are RIGHT...then when you die, you gotta find out the hard way? But, if we are WRONG and there IS no God...then you have lost nothing by believing. Just a thought.
My reasoning / ideas go like this: If I don't know whether there is a God for sure, why spend my life searching through the potential millions for the correct version. Whereas, I can live according to my best ability and knowledge of what I know and just be hopeful that if there is a God he wont condemn me for it.
My take on this is that he hasn't made it clear to me personally. If God personally told me (somehow, but in a real way) to do something and then I didn't; I can imagine God feeling as though he were denied something, possibly that he should expect from me.Well, the way we Christians believe kinda goes along the same lines...only we must accept Jesus in order to be accepted by God. Basically, nothing we alone will save us from Gods wrath.(I am sure you know the stories, of how Adam fell...Satan, all that...). Now, I know that by now you must be sick and tired of how Christians always harp on Satan and Hell...I know I am...But think about it this way. What would YOU do if you created something, and it did the OPPOSITE of what you wanted?
This sounds like you're saying God created something which is basically inferior. I've heard of human error, etc, never God error.I-can-see said:You create a new machine that is supposed to help plants grow, but instead it kills all plants, and poisions the ground. I don't know about you...but I would be pretty freakin mad. I would probably destroy the machine. That's kinda the position human kind is in right know...we are the defective machine that has already destroyed the plants and poisioned the ground.
If God drops out of the clouds and explains it HIMSELF, I will take him on his word.I-can-see said:The only difference is that, instead of scrapping us, our creator has decided to give us another shot. To get our shot, all we have to do is accept what he wants to teach us. His Son.
To me I'm not angering any God(s), because I don't know if there really is one, I might imagine there to be one but there's no way for me to really know what he thinks about this or that.I-can-see said:So, since we have already made him SO angry by poisioning the ground and killing the plants...there is nothing that we can EVER do to make up for what we have done. No act of kindness alone will save us, nor will any good deed. The only thing we can do is accept His Son, and allow Him to work on us.
And all the while God's there going when the hell are they all going to be perfect according to my written word that was written ages ago by several different writers whom I had explain in it that I was directing them to write my words exactly!I-can-see said:Noooow, alot of people would ask a pretty good question. It was not ME who poisoned the ground...so why am I being punished? Well, check it out. When the original "machine" was created, it was also "programed" to remake itself a billion times over, and to download it's programing into its "copies"...so what you got is a billion plant killing, ground poisioning machines running around...
You mean live my life in the way of the bible to the best of my abilities.I-can-see said:Yup, I would want to get rid of them myself lol. So, basically...living out your life to the best of your ability is not good enough in itself. We believe that you must accept Jesus, and His offer in order to be redeemed and saved. THEN you can live your life to the best of your abilities.
hmm, I like that belief doesn't end the development of knowledge and understanding. What if I were to adhere to this well enough but do not believe?I-can-see said:So many Christians think that it all ends upon believing in Jesus...but that is just the begining. We have to continue to improve, and stop "killing the plants and poisioning the ground". That's why you got so many people who have given Christians a bad rep to some people. =/
In light of evolution I think the worse aspects of the machines have been lost through natural selection.I-can-see said:Oh ya, I am pretty sure that you have understood what I ment by "machines" and "poisioning the ground" by now. It is in reference to Adam...the original sin..and procreation.
I think you've given me a better understanding of what cardinal sin is about than I've ever obtained before. I did think the forbidden fruit sin was meant to be the reason for all current human suffering, etc, but I still believe there are more terrible deeds being committed in society than simply disobeying God's orders, according to the bible.I-can-see said:But, ya...that's the difference between Christianity and just about every other religion in the world. What ya think?!
You mean live my life in the way of the bible to the best of my abilities.
I think you've given me a better understanding of what cardinal sin is about than I've ever obtained before. I did think the forbidden fruit sin was meant to be the reason for all current human suffering, etc, but I still believe there are more terrible deeds being committed in society than simply disobeying God's orders, according to the bible.
Why not focus on sins which are relevant to today? War, famine vs. wealth, domestic violence, etc. I think it's difficult to relate to the eating of a forbidden fruit in an otherwise mythical time as being some sort of horrendous act which I have to pay for - rather than something I can relate to like needing hundreds of thousands of dollars to own a house, or having a stuffed shoulder joint because I can't afford the operation
This sounds like you're saying God created something which is basically inferior. I've heard of human error, etc, never God error.
If I were so upset with my machine and I had unlimited ability to do what ever I wanted, then I wouldn't have a problem.
If God drops out of the clouds and explains it HIMSELF, I will take him on his word.
That's what I'm doing already.Nope, I say what I mean and mean what I say. I said live it to the best of your abilities. Period.
You sound very defeatest here. As though it's all over and no effort will improve the situation.I-can-see said:Weeeell...it is too late to "save the world" from war and such...War, Famine, and all the other stuff that you mentioned falls under what I ment when I said "poisioned the ground". The original sin was "killing the plant"...the sins after that are "poisioning the ground". Yup, to late to save humanity from the fate of which we have chosen...Evil is now as part of this world as the air you breath. There is no getting rid of it under our own power.
If as you say that God wants me to KNOW him and to let me choose to do so, why with all the power he's meant to possess can't he let me know he's there himself?God error? Not so, maybe I was not clear in what the machine was capable of...thinking, free will...ect.
If God were to use His infinate power to correct us by force, then that would take away our ability to chose Him. God is a very personal being. He wants to us to KNOW and love Him. That is why he doesn't just zap us and MAKE us do anything.
I can the accounts of others heresay.I-can-see said:God has "dropped out if the clouds" several time already...His next trip to earth will be when he comes to kick some but...by then it will be too late. =/
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