What do christians think of atheists?

[brinny]

well that perfectly makes sense so your kinda neutral in the mix of beliefs right now. you don't believe in satan or god. hmmmm, i can work with you now!



was that post you misunderstood referring to ummm me? because if i remember correctly i did refer to undoing having a demonic spirit



wow that's pretty ummmm cool there sis lol

well perhaps it was your post...but that question was leaving me no rest till it came out n' asked.....those questions of mine are incorrugible

 

[undoing]

hola again

it isn't hectic its just you had so many christians come at you with scripture and their view on atheism it was hard for you to find correct answers!

True there were a few respondants; however, I'm a bit of an ancient in this thread. Some of what I stated was what I was able gather from somewhere nearer the beginning. (I'd rather not go backward though).

1) The first that has been said and acknowledged by others was that talking about religion is a Christians reason for talking.

actually no, like i said and this can be said for many christians. i personally wouldn't come to you and talk christianity. there is another life we have undoing. we do have fun there is things we do and talk about but we as christians try not to get sidetracked with god and try our best to stay with some positive talk about god in the mix.

that's as for me for instance. like if we were in a direct conversation and we were talking i.e. video games, movies, music. i could go on and on talking about those things but i would soon ask a question about your standing with religion.

but in my opinion no, religion is not a serious reason for me to talk.

Thanks. This is one issue where differences among Christians have been posted. I think there is some difficulty when in, lets say light discussion about a movie, listening to a point being made about a plot line the message is related to Christianity and proceeds to spill over into the divine plan and so forth. This is sort of a no go zone for me so I'm basically discluded from the conversation (I'm the only other participant). I feel I have to just nod because I don't want to be condescending, or attempt to speak from the position of a believer where I know it's dishonest (and seems to be a rude thing to do).

2) Secondly, that a nonbeliever isn't in himself considered to be "with" Satan but that his disbelief might be partly to do with Satan, or if not things in the world (considered Satan's domain).

i would personally consider that as satan's way of confusing you spiritually but again as i said above when i mentioned "demonic spirit" we can sense that spirit and that's why we throw scriptures out.

if your disbelief is your disbelief it certainly means as said you don't have enough evidence to justify any clarification of worshiping god.

I thought those references were thought provoking and inspirational. I can see how you would think they are as light in darkness though. In this way, I'm glad our interaction ins't in person or I might've been carried to the exorcism chamber

3) Lastly, I've come to a good conclusion at least in idea as I'm getting much feedback on it; that the believer/nonbeliever arguments likely become character attacks etc when a point of view is pushed toward the counterpart.

this is true it becomes character attacks and what we as christians and unbelievers need to realize is that we are human and we are not always going to see eye to eye on things, so what's the point of pressuring or criticizing someone on their own beliefs? i totally agree undoing

that was meant to say "not getting much feedback on it", I'll edit that now.
I'm glad we worked out those issues, I felt they were getting a bit out of control there for a minute.
Kind regards.

 

[I-can-see]

Truth is in the eye of the beholder. <---- I thought it was BEAUTY is in the eye of the beholder?! =O

I been mistaken for so long...

 

[jcnwog]

undoing said: True there were a few respondents; however, I'm a bit of an ancient in this thread. Some of what I stated was what I was able gather from somewhere nearer the beginning. (I'd rather not go backward though).

jcnwog said :wow i just realized this topic was from last months, i didn't mean to generate a old topic back up again. and to begin with it i don't even know how i got led to this thread!

undoing said :Thanks. This is one issue where differences among Christians have been posted. I think there is some difficulty when in, lets say light discussion about a movie, listening to a point being made about a plot line the message is related to Christianity and proceeds to spill over into the divine plan and so forth. This is sort of a no go zone for me so I'm basically discluded from the conversation (I'm the only other participant). I feel I have to just nod because I don't want to be condescending, or attempt to speak from the position of a believer where I know it's dishonest (and seems to be a rude thing to do).

jcnwog said: no problem and what's weird is that i have that same feeling about when a unbeliever talks about smoking cigs and drinking and such. i mean when someone says "i had a shot of such and such". i'm like "okay and i really do not even participant in the conversation because i walk a different walk. i think part of it is how you carry yourself in the world also. because i would of thought undoing you would of been like a bad person who does awful things to people and such. i don't know what made me think that when i thought unbeliever!

undoing said: I thought those references were thought provoking and inspirational. I can see how you would think they are as light in darkness though. In this way, I'm glad our interaction ins't in person or I might've been carried to the exorcism chamber

jcnwog said: yes you would had and then i would of tied you up and forced scriptures on you hahaha

undoing said: that was meant to say "not getting much feedback on it", I'll edit that now. I'm glad we worked out those issues, I felt they were getting a bit out of control there for a minute.

jcnwog said: haha i did also but you know we weren't seeing eye to eye and i relayed to you that its hard for me to interpret forum conversations well but i'm a newbie to all this posting and fourm stuff! so cut me some slack

and your welcome again dude! god bless also!

 

[I-can-see]

Take a look at page 14...I think you missed me there.

 

[undoing]

Long time no see I can see

Yup, pride gets us nowhere. We all THINK we can prove our point of view to others...that is why so many debates are in these forums, and in the world. Let's face it, it takes more then just proof to get people to believe anything you say. It takes something absolutely AMAZING. That is the only way to drop the barriers that humans put around their minds to protect themselves from what they percieve as lies, and hold in their "truths".

I think coming to believe is a very personal experience.

That is why God has done several things in the past and present to first "shock" us into believing in His existance. And then to get us to believe his words. In the past, many jewish prophets were persecuted and it took them to do things like calling fire from heaven, or surviving inside a furnace, or being boild in oil only to emerge unharmed...took ALL THAT to get people to believe in the prophets. What a shame...
People are just to pridefull to just hear the words of others and believe. =/

To hear others and believe without questioning first is like believing one thing and changing your opinion on hearing anything which is contradictory. I wouldn't imagine you becoming Buddhist because you heard of the benefits of being a Buddhist, you would remain Christian and for you to choose Buddhism would be a very personal experience/journey.

What EXACTLY are you looking for undoing? It has been proven time and time again that God exist, and that Jesus is his son...The atheist during the time of the Romans WITNESSED John being boild in oil, and were shocked when he came out unharmed. Three men proved to King Nebecanezar of the Babylonians that their God reined supreme, but not only surviving the furnace they were tossed in...but emerging unharmed. Also, King Darius of Persia was shown that God had his hand on Daniel.

Go back even further, and you will see that Pharaohs Shishaq and Ramesses both were forced to acknowledge God (Though the later needed to get his butt handed to him over and over before he got it). Every single one of these rulers I have mentioned had their own reasons NOT to believe in the Lord. Also Each of these people are respected people in history. They were the rulers of empires, and deniers of the one true God until it was proven to them.

Soooo...again, what EXACTLY are you looking for?

I don't understand why you keep asking me this question I-can-see. I keep explaining it but you won't accept my reason.

y'all know each other?

It's considered polite to read through a thread before posting in it, it just prevents the op having to cover old ground, and answer questions about where the thread is at.

 

[I-can-see]

I keep asking, because I want you to tell me what you are REALLY looking for. I know you want proof and all, but what EXACTLY are you looking for? If you do not believe the accounts of others, then what are you waitng for. That is what I mean. What KIND of proof do you want?

 

[brinny]

It's considered polite to read through a thread before posting in it, it just prevents the op having to cover old ground, and answer questions about where the thread is at.

actually, my questions match I-can-see's in post #147...no need to go back

 

[undoing]

jcnwog said :wow i just realized this topic was from last months, i didn't mean to generate a old topic back up again. and to begin with it i don't even know how i got led to this thread!

Na mate, you didn't open a new thread, it's been fairly active. I've been getting posts, probably why you were able to find it.

undoing said :Thanks. This is one issue where differences among Christians have been posted. I think there is some difficulty when in, lets say light discussion about a movie, listening to a point being made about a plot line the message is related to Christianity and proceeds to spill over into the divine plan and so forth. This is sort of a no go zone for me so I'm basically discluded from the conversation (I'm the only other participant). I feel I have to just nod because I don't want to be condescending, or attempt to speak from the position of a believer where I know it's dishonest (and seems to be a rude thing to do).

jcnwog said: no problem and what's weird is that i have that same feeling about when a unbeliever talks about smoking cigs and drinking and such. i mean when someone says "i had a shot of such and such". i'm like "okay and i really do not even participant in the conversation because i walk a different walk. i think part of it is how you carry yourself in the world also. because i would of thought undoing you would of been like a bad person who does awful things to people and such. i don't know what made me think that when i thought unbeliever!

Yeah, I'm not into drugs and violence. I have met some Christians who are however. That was very hard for me to wrap my head around - it still kind of baffles me.

undoing said: I thought those references were thought provoking and inspirational. I can see how you would think they are as light in darkness though. In this way, I'm glad our interaction ins't in person or I might've been carried to the exorcism chamber

jcnwog said: yes you would had and then i would of tied you up and forced scriptures on you hahaha

undoing said: that was meant to say "not getting much feedback on it", I'll edit that now. I'm glad we worked out those issues, I felt they were getting a bit out of control there for a minute.

jcnwog said: haha i did also but you know we weren't seeing eye to eye and i relayed to you that its hard for me to interpret forum conversations well but i'm a newbie to all this posting and fourm stuff! so cut me some slack

and your welcome again dude! god bless also![/quote]

Hey man, no sweat.
You've certainly helped me improve myself here today.

 

[undoing]

This is nuts!! I think I'm developing a forum of anxiety "Please let them stop!"

I keep asking, because I want you to tell me what you are REALLY looking for. I know you want proof and all, but what EXACTLY are you looking for? If you do not believe the accounts of others, then what are you waitng for. That is what I mean. What KIND of proof do you want?

Oh!! Every time you've asked I thought your reference was to my being in CF/this thread. Basically, I'd like evidence which can be verified, etc.

actually, my questions match I-can-see's in post #147...no need to go back

I can relate to not wanting to read through 146 posts of a thread. It's just that posting in a thread without knowing what's happened so far can frustrate conversation. Especially when your questions relate to post which refer to previous ones. I'm not worried about it though.

 

[brinny]

This is nuts!! I think I'm developing a forum of anxiety "Please let them stop!"

Oh!! Every time you've asked I thought your reference was to my being in CF/this thread. Basically, I'd like evidence which can be verified, etc.

I can relate to not wanting to read through 146 posts of a thread. It's just that posting in a thread without knowing what's happened so far can frustrate conversation. Especially when your questions relate to post which refer to previous ones. I'm not worried about it though.

cool, that doesn't bother me either

Soooooo what kind of evidence-that-can-be-verified, are you looking for? Evidence of what?

 

[1tur9tle69]

This is what I think about Atheists. Why do Atheists mock and ridicule Christians? Video

 

[I-can-see]

We can continue this some other time. I am SUPER tired...you guys must be in a different time zone if you can stay fired up at 1:36am lol

Nite! ^.^

 

[Kristin E]

They do act like Cavemen...
They remind me of the Geico Commercials

 

[brinny]

We can continue this some other time. I am SUPER tired...you guys must be in a different time zone if you can stay fired up at 1:36am lol

Nite! ^.^

g'nite

 

[I-can-see]

 

[brinny]

g'nite undoing

 

[undoing]

cool, that doesn't bother me either

Soooooo what kind of evidence-that-can-be-verified, are you looking for? Evidence of what?

Evidence of God's current existence I suppose, I realise NOMA holds that this isn't possible.

We can continue this some other time. I am SUPER tired...you guys must be in a different time zone if you can stay fired up at 1:36am lol

Nite! ^.^

See ya, it's been good talking again.

This is what I think about Atheists. Why do Atheists mock and ridicule Christians? Video

Is this your actual view? Because the description given in that vid doesn't account for any majority of atheists, as far as I know.

 

[undoing]

g'nite undoing

Goodnight, sleep tight, and don't let the bed bugs bite.

 

[jcnwog]

hey undoing i clicked on the link in 1tur9tle69 post. however i didn't watch that video because it did not justify all atheists but i did see this video in the side bar and clicked on it: YouTube - Concerned Atheist Speaks to Christians and its like a direct, identical flow with what your trying to say to christians in this thread or in general.

its clear to me what and how you believe. you just want evidence now to believe and currently there is no evidence only if you stand with the bible and going by faith.

but i do understand where your coming from after looking and listening to the lady in the video explain how she feels speaking to christians.

i hope i got a grasp on what your trying to say.