What do Baptists believe about speaking in tongues?

[now faith]

2 Peter: 3. 1. This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: 2. That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 3. Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4. And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6. Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7. But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12. Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16. As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

 

[Gojira323]

Here is what The Church of God uses:

"Baptism with the Holy Ghost subsequent to cleansing; the enduement of power for service. Matthew 3:11; Luke 24:49, 53; Acts 1:4-8.

• The speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance as the initial evidence of the baptism in the Holy Ghost. John 15:26; Acts 2:4; 10:44-46; 19:1-7."

Source

Most of their beliefs on speaking in tongues is based on the book of Acts, a record of the Primitive Church.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Thank you brother!

 

[now faith]

There are debates,about theology but I have never looked at posts that attempt to dismiss God's Word as if the OP had written it themselves.

 

[1stcenturylady]

[Staff edit].

The most important verses against the teachings of the ignorant who call tongues "gibberish" is 1 Corinthians 14. The first is verse 2.

"For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries."

The second is verses 22 and 23. "Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe. 23 Therefore if the whole church comes together in one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those who are uninformed or unbelievers, will they not say that you are out of your mind?"

This is NOT a positive sign, but a negative sign confirming the unbelievers and ignorant in their unbelief. That is why they call tongues "gibberish." All languages are created by God.

This negative type of sign is called "a sign which will be spoken against." If you've heard that before it is because it is the same type of sign as Jesus. Read Luke 2:34. Jesus was a sign for the rise or fall of many in Israel.

Even many Pentecostals mistake the understanding of the tongues in Acts 2 to be natural understanding, not reading it discernibly that the hearing was supernatural also! Supernaturally understanding what is spoken in tongues is called the gift of interpretation of tongues. Many times a gift of the Holy Spirit will be used this way to convert someone. Like Saul on the road to Damascus.

 

[now faith]

[Staff edit].

All the Churches Paul planted had trouble.
Paul had to contend with the false idols of that day,he was beaten to death over Dianna,He Preached to the Greek philosophers on Mars Hill.
Gnostic Jews were trying to undermine the Gospel in most of Paul's travels.
You are Parroting a very popular Preacher, but like him you are using a questionable cause.
Butterfly Logic in other words states if we can assume Corinth was evil ,the teaching of Paul was useless.
This is not a new theology,just a false one.
Using your reasoning we could say Galatians in all was corrupt.
Paul's Epistle to Galatians is considered by many as the freedom Epistle.
Paul is passionate in his question:
Galatians: 3. 1. O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2. This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3. Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4. Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Look at Acts 19 Paul's turmoil in Ephesus, and you think Corinth was evil?
Acts: 19. 11. And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul: 12. So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them. 13. Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth. 14. And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. 15. And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? 16. And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. 17. And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified. 18. And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds. 19. Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. 20. So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed. 21. After these things were ended, Paul purposed in the spirit, when he had passed through Macedonia and Achaia, to go to Jerusalem, saying, After I have been there, I must also see Rome. 22. So he sent into Macedonia two of them that ministered unto him, Timotheus and Erastus; but he himself stayed in Asia for a season. 23. And the same time there arose no small stir about that way. 24. For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen; 25. Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth. 26. Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands: 27. So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth. 28. And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.
Paul set Timothy over the Church,many Theologians have thought that Paul intended this passage for a proprietary reason.
The reason ?
Men were being castrated in honor of Dianna.
1 Timothy: 2. 12. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1 Corinthians: 14. 34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
At Corinth there was a problem of gossip among the Church from the women.

We still find Paul using women in his ministry, he praises them.
Is this a contradiction no!
You must rightly divide the Word.
God's Word will not return void.
Some may have disagreements on subjects as I have mentioned,that's ok.
It's not ok to deny the truth in God's Word ,or to throw out a book for your own butterfly logic.

 

[now faith]

The most important verses against the teachings of the ignorant who tall tongues "gibberish" is 1 Corinthians 14. The first is verse 2.

"For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries."

The second is verses 22 and 23. "Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe. 23 Therefore if the whole church comes together in one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those who are uninformed or unbelievers, will they not say that you are out of your mind?"

This is NOT a positive sign, but a negative sign confirming the unbelievers, and ignorant in their unbelief. That is why they call tongues "gibberish." All languages are created by God.

This negative type of sign is called "a sign which will be spoken against." If you've heard that before it is because it is the same type of sign as Jesus. Read Luke 2:34. Jesus was a sign for the rise or fall of many in Israel.

Even many Pentecostals mistake the understanding of the tongues in Acts 2 to be natural understanding, not reading it discernibly that the hearing was supernatural also! Supernaturally understanding what is spoken in tongues is called the gift of interpretation of tongues. Many times a gift of the Holy Spirit will be used this way to convert someone. Like Saul on the road to Damascus.

Yes how else could a man reach a obscure tribe of people with the Gospel?
This is speaking in tongues as a sign for unbelievers, divers tongues.
Then we find a prayer language that will edify our personal prayer.
But we know it is with one power in all ,the Holy Spirit gives the utterances, at his time.
We do nothing ourselves all things come from The Father for his will not ours.
There are other gifts of the Spirit ,but no one can get past Tongues and step up to Miricals,or discerning of Spirits as with all the gifts.

 

[now faith]

I thank you Deacon and Oz for the kindness and forbearance through the years.
God is the potter ,and we are made for his glory.
I want to fellowship across denomination, but it is rude to assert your own beliefs in a congressional forum in trying to promote your brand of God.
I have been rude in times past,but Bless God for His mercy.

I am going to discontinue my reply to the OP.
May God guide him to the truth.

 

[DeaconDean]

Listen folks,

Each area here on the forums was designed for people who share the same beliefs. While it is true that there are different "flavors" of Baptists, we basically share the most basic of beliefs.

We have rules here, there are rules for other areas.

I do not go/venture over to the OBOB area as I know that my Baptist beliefs would get me warnings/banned sooner or later.

Likewise, if you come here, you must obey our rules.

This matter here, speaking in tongues, has not been settled for how many centuries?

It's not likely to be settled today.

For how many centuries has Paul been recognized as an Apostle?

Baptists recognize him as such. So that pretty much settles that.

Peter, when writing his second letter/epistle writes concerning Paul:

"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." -2 Pet. 3:15-16 (KJV)

Peter was aware of Paul's epistles/letters. But Peter also recognized that Paul was speaking/writing "according to the wisdom given unto him". Who gives that wisdom? The Holy Spirit.

That pretty much settles it for me.

Baptist theologian John Gill comments:

"even as our beloved brother Paul also;
he calls him a "brother", both on account of his being a believer in Christ, one that belonged to the same family with him, and was of the household of faith, born of the same Father, and related to the same Redeemer, the firstborn among many brethren, and likewise on account of his being a fellow apostle; for though he was not one of the twelve apostles, but his call and mission were later than theirs, yet Peter does not disdain to put him among them, and upon an equal foot with them, nor was he a whit behind the chief of them: he styles him a "beloved" brother; expressing his affection for him, which the relation between them called for, and which he bore to him, notwithstanding his public opposition to him, and sharp reproof of him, ( Galatians 2:11 ) , and perhaps loved him the more for it; see ( Psalms 141:5 ) ( Proverbs 27:5 Proverbs 27:6 ) ; and he makes mention of him, and that under these characters, partly to show their agreement and consent in doctrine; and partly to recommend him to the Jews, to whom he writes, who had, upon report of his doctrine and ministry, entertained an ill, at least a mean opinion, of him; as also to set us an example to speak well of one another, both as ministers and private believers:"

Source

History records Paul as an Apostle.

When the canon of scripture was being debated, Paul's writings/letters/epistles were decided as "part of the canon".

Debate closed.

Now if you wish to continue to debate this issue, please do so within the boundries of our rules.

Remember, you came here, we did not go there.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[W2L]

Paul teaching more of Christs doctrine.

Matthew 6:25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

Philippians 4:6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; 7 and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

 

[now faith]

The persistent debate troll
Live Wire.

 

[FrankDux]

I want to know why you never type in tongues

 

[1stcenturylady]

I want to know why you never type in tongues

Sarcasm will not get you an answer from me.

 

[Traveling teacher]

I will sy this i could be wrong but I believe the southern babtist made a doctrinal change in their belief on tongues bout 15 years ago....
But i dont know the details....

Also 1996 we had 40,000 pastors from all different backgrounds meet in atlanta stadium for 4 days.....
With promise keepers...
We sent 40 pastors from our area......all backgrounds..
I was in the COC at the time and yes we sent 3 of our ministers......
After they came back a few of the pastors traded pullpits for years like once a month......
Specifically the AG pastor and the 1st Babtist church
Last I heard they still did this from time to time.....

 

[now faith]

2 Timothy: 3. 2. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3. Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4. Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7. Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

 

[now faith]

Revelation: 3. 1. And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. 2. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. 3. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4. Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5. He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Yes how else could a man reach a obscure tribe of people with the Gospel?
This is speaking in tongues as a sign for unbelievers, divers tongues.
Then we find a prayer language that will edify our personal prayer.
But we know it is with one power in all ,the Holy Spirit gives the utterances, at his time.
We do nothing ourselves all things come from The Father for his will not ours.
There are other gifts of the Spirit ,but no one can get past Tongues and step up to Miricals,or discerning of Spirits as with all the gifts.

You say, "Yes," but are not agreeing. I'm confused.

Tongues are NOT for reaching obscure tribes in their own language. It is not for preaching. Obscure tribes will not be able to understand them.

I also pointed out that the sign to an unbeliever is a NEGATIVE sign, not positive. It confirms an unbeliever in their unbelief. That's why if all are speaking in tongues and an unbeliever comes in, they will say they are crazy. All they will hear is gibberish, and call it such.

 

[Traveling teacher]

Not everyone speaks in tongues ...prophesies....
But Paul does tell us to desire these gifts....

You must desire the gift of tongues and prophecy....
1 corinthians 14:1

You must pray fellowship and search the scriptures before God gives this gift.........using wisdomin recieving these gifts and wisdom in administering thes gifts.....
Paul told timothy to not lay hands on anyone quickly
1 timothy 5:22

Also you need to have pure motives in desiring these gifts for the building up of the body of Christ and for personal spiritual growth...not self glory
As in simon the sorcerer..wanting to buy the Holy Spirit
Acts 8:9-25

 

[now faith]

You say, "Yes," but are not agreeing. I'm confused.

Tongues are NOT for reaching obscure tribes in their own language. It is not for preaching. Obscure tribes will not be able to understand them.

I also pointed out that the sign to an unbeliever is a NEGATIVE sign, not positive. It confirms an unbeliever in their unbelief. That's why if all are speaking in tongues and an unbeliever comes in, they will say they are crazy. All they will hear is gibberish, and call it such.

Sure they are,Paul was teaching conduct in the Church.
There is a difference between speaking in tongues and praying in tongues.
Praying in tongues is for our edification, speaking in tongues is to bring a sign to unbelievers for the Gospel.
At Pentecost they were all understanding each other in their native tongue.
1 Corinthians: 14. 21. In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Truly Speaking in tongues is a marvelous event that does not come around often.
Author Blesset,ministering in Africa reached a remote Village that had no interpreter.
He began to preach and they understood him ,the Gospel was preached in there tongue.
The village came to Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit working in Author.

 

[now faith]

1st Century lady,
Think about this for a moment.
The language barrier between people and how to preach Christ to the lost.
What good would it do in a room full of believers of the same language, to speak or preach in a unknown tongue?
A prophetic utterance in a tongue, would be by the Holy Spirit working through a person with a message for future events or to edify the Body,this must be verified by interpreting from others.
As Paul asks the Question, do all speak in tongues?
Just as the other gits of the Spirit or Spirtuals as the Greek translates, Speaking in Tongues is not gifted to everyone.
Personally I believe praying in tongues is a gift for all who yield to the Holy Spirit.
So if we are caught up with the Spirit praying out loud ,we should refrain in open Church,I personally believe the Holy Spirit would not give a verbal prayer in tongues among unbelievers in Church unless they could not speak your language.
God would not cause the unbelievers to be confused.
A person who is praying in tongues, is completely separate from someone having the gift of speaking in tongues.
This is the cause of so much debate among us ,because automatically one side says there you are Paul said no tongues.
The other side says if you don't speak in tongues you cannot have the Holy Ghost.
We must go by what Paul teaches line up on line and not fall either way in the ditch.
Paul stated let all things be done decently and in order,in the Church.
And every where else we are being a witness for Christ.

 

[now faith]

Ist century lady
Since we are guest here is the Baptist forum, I would be happy to move our discussion to either our congressional forum or a open forum.
God Bless