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What did Wesley Teach about 2nd Commandment and Images of Jesus, etc.?

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I have seen conflicting things about this. I know the United Methodists allow pictures of Jesus/the Godhead, but I have found some writings by Wesley which seem to suggest he opposes it. Does anyone know what he taught? If he did oppose it, why do Methodists allow it today?
 

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For this I have no clue but would be curious to see what other people think/say. The local church I have been to have stained glass windows and more of an iconography style, which I enjoy more. Personally - pre-Methodist and now - I don't look at pictures of Jesus either.
 
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It may be that you are thinking what it says in the Articles of Religion about not adoring images. That is different than just having an image. Wesley didn't believe in the use of iconography as aides to worship.

As to what Wesley taught and what current day United Methodists believe now, we have not always followed Wesley on everything. He was a great leader. But Methodists aren't bound to always agree with him.
 
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Right; we worship God; we draw inspiration from Wesley. But he is not infallible, by any means.

The line between iconography and idolatry is drawn differently by different people. Some say that ANY image is wrong; similar to how Muslims view images of the Prophet or otherwise. Churches with no crosses, pictures, or paintings.

Others, like myself; believe icons and images can be a beautiful way to grow and learn about our faith; and remind us of who we are and whose we are. I believe that humans are smart enough to know the difference between imagery and something that has tangible power. I know people who put statues of saints, or even Jesus, up because they believe it will bring some supernatural power; such as protecting their home. I consider that idolatry. I know some who put up statues, pictures, and images for the same reason they put up pictures of family members and loved ones; because they are reminders and images.

In the church, we don't believe that any image, statue, or icon has any supernatural power. In the church I serve, off the top of my head; I have a John Wesley bobble head. I certainly don't use it as an "idol", it's kind of funny and as a "Methodist Nerd" it's cool to have a little John Wesley on my desk. I also have a painting of Jesus praying at Gesthemane, which is one of my favorite scenes in scripture. It shows the humanity of Jesus wrapped up in his sovereignty and Godliness. I'm reminded of the importance of prayer every time I am reminded of Jesus praying; so it's no coincidence that that image often reminds me to pray. The communion table has a brass cross and has the words "This Do in Rememberance of Me" inscribed on the communion table; pretty common Methodist fare. Both reminders of Christ's sacrifice and his institution of The Lord's Supper, respectively. Above the communion table is a stained glass window that depicts Christ carrying a lamb, and throughout the church are paintings, such as Da Vinci's "The Last Supper", and other images. Pictures of mission trips, VBS programs, confirmands, and such all throughout the building. None of these are worshipped, prayed to, or thought to have some sort of power within or through them. They are just icons. And in the way UM's understand God today; that's a far cry from idolatry.

As a sidebar; I think we get caught up in a funk of legalism when we ignore the sin itself by trying so hard to follow a rule. Clearly, the sin is believing something outside of the Triune God as having supernatural authority in the Universe. To understand sin we MUST understand the difference between believing a coin depicting the saint of safe travels will keep you from getting in a crash; and having a picture of Jesus to remind you of who you are and whose you are!

To believe that images of Jesus are verboten, frankly, makes Jesus into this unapproachable too-holy-for-you being that is the antithesis of everything Jesus came to be. God was unapproachable to first Century Jews; and Christ came precisely to create a means to connect with God on an intimate and real level.
 
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Thanks to all of you for replying, but I'm not sure anyone directly answered the question. It sounds like two of you are saying Wesley did believe images should not be used at all. Is that right?

It depends on what you mean by "use images." Wesley wasn't against art. Wesley wasn't a puritan. He didn't believe that worship spaces had to be bare and unadorned.

He did not believe in praying to saints or the use of iconography or the use of relics in worship.

But you also have to remember that in Wesley's day there was a very anti-Catholic sentiment in the Anglican Church. Later statements by Methodists seek to soften the tone of Wesley's strong anti-catholic language.

While we follow John Wesley's example in many things, Methodists don't believe Wesley was perfect or that we have to agree with his every view.

The Articles of Religion given by Wesley, his Standard Sermons, and his commentary on the New Testament as well as the Confession of Faith of the Evangelical United Brethren that merged with Methodists to make the United Methodist Church are our doctrinal standards. Not everything Wesley ever wrote, said or did.
 
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The Methodist Church I grew up in employs icons from time to time. In the youth hall there is a rather large icon of the Virgin Mary that the youth painted. But this is also a parish that uses the BOW and a lot of the old Anglican services, especially during Holy Week. An anomaly, I know.
 
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The Methodist Church I grew up in employs icons from time to time. In the youth hall there is a rather large icon of the Virgin Mary that the youth painted. But this is also a parish that uses the BOW and a lot of the old Anglican services, especially during Holy Week. An anomaly, I know.

That isn't a little unusual. But we do have a number of liturgically oriented UM churches. I like Anglican/Episcopal worship. So I imagine I'd enjoy services there.
 
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The holy communion service from what I remember was almost wholesale book of common prayer. Locally adapted I'd imagine.

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Other than some updated language, a replaced verb here and there and maybe a stray comma, you won't find many significant differences between the communion liturgies used in Roman Catholic, Anglican, Episcopal, and United Methodist Churches. Having been to one, you won't find any surprises at the other. (Assuming the UM church is 'going by the book'. We aren't free to deviate from the official liturgies on communion but it's been my experience that on rare occasion, some churches do).
 
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