What did they teach you in school , flat or round earth?

[David Lamb]

Get over it, the Bible supports a level earth. Amen.

I know that you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as your Saviour - we both do, praise God! I am sure you can point to bible verses that indicate that He is indeed the Saviour, the only one, verses such as:

“This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.” (1Ti 1:15 NKJV)

“Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” (Joh 14:6 NKJV)

““Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”” (Ac 4:12 NKJV)

Nobody can rightly say, "The bible teaches that there are many saviours, and Jesus is just one of them."

Now, can you provide a verse that is similarly clear about the shape of the earth? Not a verse like the Isaiah verse you often quote, which says that the earth has a circle or circuit, but a verse that says clearly that the earth is such-and-such a shape?

 

[Apple Sky]

Now, can you provide a verse that is similarly clear about the shape of the earth? Not a verse like the Isaiah verse you often quote, which says that the earth has a circle or circuit, but a verse that says clearly that the earth is such-and-such a shape?

No I can't, I can only give verses that state that the earth is unmovable which must refute a spinning globe.

 

[David Lamb]

No I can't, I can only give verses that state that the earth is unmovable which must refute a spinning globe.

When the bible talks of something or somebody being unmovable, it doesn't mean that the thing or person is absolutely motionless. Think of this verse, for example:

“For the king trusts in the LORD, And through the mercy of the Most High he shall not be moved.” (Ps 21:7 NKJV)

It would be ridiculous to take that as meaning that the king (David) never moved about his palace, or went to war.

Anyway, "unmovable" certainly is not the same as "flat disc."

 

[Apple Sky]

Anyway, "unmovable" certainly is not the same as "flat disc."

Well unmovable certainly isn't a spinning ball.

 

[prodromos]

Well unmovable certainly isn't a spinning ball.

That does not follow.

 

[David Lamb]

Well unmovable certainly isn't a spinning ball.

Why not? "Unmovable" says nothing about whether the earth is ball-shaped or flat, and as I said, if David was not moved, yet he walked around his palace and went into battle, why cannot passages which say that the earth shall not be moved be similar, meaning "not moved out of where God wants it to be"?

 

[Apple Sky]

Why not? "Unmovable" says nothing about whether the earth is ball-shaped or flat, and as I said, if David was not moved, yet he walked around his palace and went into battle, why cannot passages which say that the earth shall not be moved be similar, meaning "not moved out of where God wants it to be"?

The King James Version (KJV) of the Bible does indeed contain verses that describe the earth as being fixed and immovable. Passages like 1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, and Psalm 104:5 use phrases like "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable" and "Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken". These verses were interpreted literally by some who believed in a flat, stationary earth.

 

[prodromos]

"Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken"

So now earthquakes can be added to the list of things flat-earthers deny exist?

 

[Hentenza]

The King James Version (KJV) of the Bible does indeed contain verses that describe the earth as being fixed and immovable. Passages like 1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, and Psalm 104:5 use phrases like "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable" and "Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken". These verses were interpreted literally by some who believed in a flat, stationary earth.

You can easily tap each verse that you posted and it takes you to a google AI explanation. The explanation is actually quite good to my surprise. The verses you posted are poetic language and represent God’s strength and stability.

 

[Apple Sky]

So now earthquakes can be added to the list of things flat-earthers deny exist?

Of course not, but the earth is fixed & unmovable

1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, and Psalm 104:5

 

[Apple Sky]

The verses you posted are poetic language and represent God’s strength and stability.

Of course they are.

 

[prodromos]

Of course not, but the earth is fixed & unmovable

1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, and Psalm 104:5

What do you mean, "of course not"? You just quoted Scripture that said the earth can never be shaken. If you are going to be consistent with your interpretation of Scripture then you have to deny earthquakes the same way you deny the earth rotates and orbits the sun. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Hentenza]

Of course they are.

Of course

 

[Apple Sky]

You can't have it both ways.

I can & I have.

 

[prodromos]

I can & I have.

Which makes the bankrupt nature of your position all the more apparent.

 

[tharkun73]

No I can't, I can only give verses that state that the earth is unmovable which must refute a spinning globe.

Verses that show the earth moves:

Jdg 5:4
LORD, when thou wentest out of Seir, when thou marchedst out of the field of Edom, the earth trembled, and the heavens dropped, the clouds also dropped water.

1Sa 14:15
And there was trembling in the host, in the field, and among all the people: the garrison, and the spoilers, they also trembled, and the earth quaked: so it was a very great trembling.

2Sa 22:8
Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth.

Job 9:6
Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.

Psa 18:7
Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth.

Psa 60:2
Thou hast made the earth to tremble; thou hast broken it: heal the breaches thereof; for it shaketh.

Psa 68:8
The earth shook, the heavens also dropped at the presence of God: even Sinai itself was moved at the presence of God, the God of Israel.

Psa 77:18
The voice of thy thunder was in the heaven: the lightnings lightened the world: the earth trembled and shook.

Psa 97:4
His lightnings enlightened the world: the earth saw, and trembled.

Psa 99:1
The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.

Psa 104:32
He looketh on the earth, and it trembleth: he toucheth the hills, and they smoke.

Isa 13:13
Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

Isa 24:18
And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.

Isa 24:19
The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.

Isa 24:20
The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

Jer 10:10
But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.

Jer 49:21
The earth is moved at the noise of their fall, at the cry the noise thereof was heard in the Red sea.

Jer 50:46
At the noise of the taking of Babylon the earth is moved, and the cry is heard among the nations.

Joe 2:10
The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

Joe 3:16
The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

 

[Apple Sky]

Verses that show the earth moves:

Jdg 5:4
LORD, when thou wentest out of Seir, when thou marchedst out of the field of Edom, the earth trembled, and the heavens dropped, the clouds also dropped water.

1Sa 14:15
And there was trembling in the host, in the field, and among all the people: the garrison, and the spoilers, they also trembled, and the earth quaked: so it was a very great trembling.

2Sa 22:8
Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth.

Job 9:6
Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.

Psa 18:7
Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth.

Psa 60:2
Thou hast made the earth to tremble; thou hast broken it: heal the breaches thereof; for it shaketh.

Psa 68:8
The earth shook, the heavens also dropped at the presence of God: even Sinai itself was moved at the presence of God, the God of Israel.

Psa 77:18
The voice of thy thunder was in the heaven: the lightnings lightened the world: the earth trembled and shook.

Psa 97:4
His lightnings enlightened the world: the earth saw, and trembled.

Psa 99:1
The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.

Psa 104:32
He looketh on the earth, and it trembleth: he toucheth the hills, and they smoke.

Isa 13:13
Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

Isa 24:18
And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.

Isa 24:19
The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.

Isa 24:20
The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

Jer 10:10
But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.

Jer 49:21
The earth is moved at the noise of their fall, at the cry the noise thereof was heard in the Red sea.

Jer 50:46
At the noise of the taking of Babylon the earth is moved, and the cry is heard among the nations.

Joe 2:10
The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

Joe 3:16
The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

And not one mention of it turning or rotating around the sun, that's because it doesn't.

Joshua 10:13
And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

 

[tharkun73]

And not one mention of it turning or rotating around the sun, that's because it doesn't.

Joshua 10:13
And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

The point of the post was to contradict your continued assertion that the earth doesn't move. Those scriptures shows that to be false. Based on your hyper-literalism way of interpreting scripture, you have a contradiction in your belief. So how do you resolve it? Or do you just ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist so you can hang on to your belief?

 

[RDKirk]

I'm 71.

We were taught that the Earth was a sphere, just like the other planets!

I do not recall any conversations with my parents, grandparents, uncle, aunt or great-grandparents that would imply that they were ever taught that the Earth was flat.

Same.

For that matter, the Church has always accepted the spherical earth. The issue with Galileo was not whether the earth was spherical, the issue was whether it was at the center of the universe. The very model accepted by the Church presented a spherical earth.

The issue with Columbus was not whether the earth was spherical, it was whether the earth was as large as originally calculated by the Greeks (which would be too large for ships of the day to circumnavigate--they didn't know the Americas were in the middle of the "Great Ocean") or a smaller sphere estimated by Posidonius in the 2nd century.

 

[Aaron112]

The point of the post was to contradict your continued assertion that the earth doesn't move.

This reply was to someone who has been dallying in a multitude of exercises in futility , apparently without any good reason to do so.
However, the point of a stationary earth was addressed by Einstein and many other top scientists or mathematicians decades ago --- besides what Scripture says --- a stationary earth is more of a fact proven than a moving earth .