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A church is the body of the elect in a certain location. Corinthians was written from a believer to believers. Nonbelievers who happen to read it are invited to believe, but do not qualify for being the audience until they do.
Why? There is an "I" - Paul - and a "you" - the Corinthians - in verse 3 itself. "I" and "you" make "we," and thus if "we" appears in the same verse, there's no contextual reason to make the pronoun inclusive of unnamed and unmentioned unregenerate. The nearest reference to an unbeliever is probably in verse 25, when Paul makes reference to Christ's enemies. Paul has taken many turns in his train of thought by this point, so this is too distant to inform us about the nature of the antecedents of a pronoun paragraphs earlier.
"I will go to the restaurant from work, you will come there from home, and there we will have dinner. Oh, let me here explicitly disclaim that we're not going to have dinner with additional people that I haven't mentioned." This feels like a natural way to speak to you?
If such passages exist, they're not talking about the atonement, otherwise they affirm universalism, which they don't.
I agreed with you.
So Hammster, you are prepared to stand in front of a crowd of non-believers and say, 'Christ died for our sins'?
So Hammster, you are prepared to stand in front of a crowd of non-believers and say, 'Christ died for our sins'?
See how the use of "our" can be used in different ways?
That's different than what you said. But I will say that He died for our (yours and mine) sins.
See how the use of "our" can be used in different ways?
Why would you do that , since there's no Biblical example or mandate to do so?
It seems your understanding of evangelism is driven by traditions, not by sola scriptura.
So you are preaching to a crowd of non-believers and you say what exactly? You are not seriously saying that you are going to tell them that Christ died for my sins (i.e. yours)? You are talking to THEM Hammster. They are there to hear the 'good news...the gospel.
So you are preaching to a crowd of non-believers and you say what exactly? You are not seriously saying that you are going to tell them that Christ died for my sins (i.e. yours)? You are talking to THEM Hammster. They are there to hear the 'good news...the gospel.
You're not prepared to say, 'Christ died for our sins', even though Paul said that this is what we are to preach?
This is what I said:
1 Corinthians 15:11
Whether, then, it is I or they (that is, the apostles), this is what we preach, and this what you believed.
Paul identifies 'this' to be that which Christians should preach and also that which they (the Corinthians ) believed. What is this 'this' that Paul refers to?
Verses 3b-4:
that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
We are to tell non-believers that Christ died for our sins.
Where does he say that saying "Christ died for the sins of unbelievers" was part of his evangel?
How about repent and believe the gospel? Isn't that what the Apostles preached? Seems sufficient.
I have no problem telling non-believers that Christ died for your sins and mine.
1 Corinthians 15:11
Whether, then, it is I or they (that is, the apostles), this is what we preach, and this what you believed.
Paul identifies 'this' to be that which Christians should preach and also that which they (the Corinthians ) believed. What is this 'this' that Paul refers to?
Verses 3b-4:
that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
We are to tell non-believers that Christ died for our sins.
1 Corinthians 15:11
Whether, then, it is I or they (that is, the apostles), this is what we preach, and this what you believed.
Paul identifies 'this' to be that which Christians should preach and also that which they (the Corinthians ) believed. What is this 'this' that Paul refers to?
Verses 3b-4:
that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
We are to tell non-believers that Christ died for our sins.
I will wait until you engage with my post.
1 Corinthians 15:11
Whether, then, it is I or they (that is, the apostles), this is what we preach, and this what you believed.
Paul identifies 'this' to be that which Christians should preach and also that which they (the Corinthians ) believed. What is this 'this' that Paul refers to?
Verses 3b-4:
that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
We are to tell non-believers that Christ died for our sins.
Christ did die for their sins. If they repent and believe.
I don't have a problem with that.
When you preach to a crowd of non-believers that 'Christ died for our sins', they don't infer that you are just talking about yourself.
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