What did Paul preach to the Corinthians?

[Charis kai Dunamis]

A non-believer CAN refuse to believe this verse, along with the rest of the 'WORD', which is Jesus. 'The 'WORD' became flesh.....' and dwelt among us, believers and non-believers alike..... All of us, before True Faith belief, were damned to hell, including Calvin himself....

I am not talking to you anymore because you lack the ability to directly respond to a quote. Bye.

 

[janxharris]

Then you haven't been paying attention, or just flat out ignore what we are saying. Much like you've refused to interact with my description of talking to my kids. It's been ignored at lest three times, one of which you actually had to delete it out of a quote.

You said that that the first time you spoke to your children they were believers. Paul preached to unbelievers. So did all the apostles.

Delete out of a quote???

 

[Hammster]

You said that that the first time you spoke to your children they were believers. Paul preached to unbelievers. So did all the apostles.

Delete out of a quote???

Not even close to what I said. And by that, you've made my point. How can you say that we've made no tenable counter-argument when you've so badly miffed this one?

 

[Hammster]

A non-believer CAN refuse to believe this verse, along with the rest of the 'WORD', which is Jesus. 'The 'WORD' became flesh.....' and dwelt among us, believers and non-believers alike..... All of us, before True Faith belief, were damned to hell, including Calvin himself....

It would be better if you actually answered the question that he asked. Your post is a non sequitur.

 

[guuila]

Sorry, but I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

I affirm that they had hope of salvation.

Seems you're having a hard time following along. That's okay. Good try.

 

[Hammster]

Sorry, but I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

I affirm that they had hope of salvation.

So it's possible for them to be saved?

 

[harrisrose77]

I am not talking to you anymore because you lack the ability to directly respond to a quote. Bye.

That's fine by me, because you lack the ability to understand 'Free will' choice.
'Choose you this day, whom you will serve...'

 

[guuila]

That's fine by me, because you lack the ability to understand 'Free will' choice.
'Choose you this day, whom you will serve...'

LOL

 

[Hammster]

That's fine by me, because you lack the ability to understand 'Free will' choice.
'Choose you this day, whom you will serve...'

Personally, I'd rather do like Joshua and serve the Lord as opposed to choosing between two false gods.

But that's me.

 

[harrisrose77]

It would be better if you actually answered the question that he asked. Your post is a non sequitur.

Whatever,.......

I've just read your "quote" below, about when a child asks about rain etc.....
Just about sums up Calvin's doctrine on it's own doesn't it?
Laying on the guilt, by telling the child God is crying because they've done something wrong. How awful.....Who told you that God was angry with you Hamster?

 

[Charis kai Dunamis]

That's fine by me, because you lack the ability to understand 'Free will' choice.

Isn't this a contradiction?

 

[janxharris]

So it's possible for them to be saved?

They had that opportunity in their life, yes, absolutely. It is good news Hammster - it includes all men...you too.

Tell me, does God's love equate to compacting with himself what he willed to become of each man? Does God's love equate to not creating all men in equal condition - such that some are foreordained to eternal damnation?

Isn't hatred more appropriate?

And please don't play the 'justly condemned for their wickedness card'. They have no access to salvation, remember? Jesus didn't die for them. They can't have faith in Him - right?

An astonishing view of God for a Christian to take.

 

[janxharris]

LOL

Mocking is not helpful griff.

 

[Hammster]

Whatever,.......

I've just read your "quote" below, about when a child asks about rain etc.....
Just about sums up Calvin's doctrine on it's own doesn't it?
Laying on the guilt, by telling the child God is crying because they've done something wrong. How awful.....Who told you that God was angry with you Hamster?

The quote is a joke.

 

[janxharris]

Isn't this a contradiction?

1 Corinthians 15:11
Whether, then, it is I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.

To maintain consistency, Calvinists must assume that that which Paul and the other apostles preached was:
A) only intended for believers;
B) only intended for the elect;
C) a modification of the gospel outlined in vv. 3b-4.

A) cannot be true because Paul never guarded against it - on the contrary, it was his ambition:

Romans 15:20-21
It has always been my ambition to preach the gospel where Christ was not known, so that I would not be building on someone else’s foundation. Rather, as it is written: “Those who were not told about him will see, and those who have not heard will understand.”

In Acts there are many examples of the apostles preaching to unbelievers. Here is just one:

Acts 8:9-13
Now for some time a man named Simon had practiced sorcery in the city and amazed all the people of Samaria. He boasted that he was someone great, and all the people, both high and low, gave him their attention and exclaimed, “This man is rightly called the Great Power of God.” They followed him because he had amazed them for a long time with his sorcery. But when they believed Philip as he proclaimed the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Simon himself believed and was baptized. And he followed Philip everywhere, astonished by the great signs and miracles he saw.

Paul allows for the possibility that the gospel he specifies in vv. 3b-4 might be heard by unbelievers in the Corinthian church:

1 Corinthians 15:1-2
Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

Paul also says in v.11, that 'this is what you believed.'

B) cannot be true because we do not know who the elect are.

Finally, C) cannot be true because Paul never even hints at such a modification.

Whilst Calvinism demands that the gospel outlined by Paul in vv. 3b-4 is not to be preached to unbelievers, Paul himself had no such concerns.

 

[guuila]

Mocking is not helpful griff.

That wasn't a joke? My bad.

 

[Hammster]

They had that opportunity in their life, yes, absolutely. It is good news Hammster - it includes all men...you too.

Tell me, does God's love equate to compacting with himself what he willed to become of each man? Does God's love equate to not creating all men in equal condition - such that some are foreordained to eternal damnation?

Isn't hatred more appropriate?

And please don't play the 'justly condemned for their wickedness card'. They have no access to salvation, remember? Jesus didn't die for them. They can't have faith in Him - right?

An astonishing view of God for a Christian to take.

So you're saying that it is possible for someone to be saved that God knows will not be saved?

I'm not sure how that works.

 

[guuila]

Whatever,.......

I've just read your "quote" below, about when a child asks about rain etc.....
Just about sums up Calvin's doctrine on it's own doesn't it?
Laying on the guilt, by telling the child God is crying because they've done something wrong. How awful.....Who told you that God was angry with you Hamster?

Calvin hated children. I think he ate them.

 

[janxharris]

That wasn't a joke? My bad.

Eh?

My bad?

 

[Charis kai Dunamis]

1 Corinthians 15:11
Whether, then, it is I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.

To maintain consistency, Calvinists must assume that that which Paul and the other apostles preached was:
A) only intended for believers;
B) only intended for the elect;
C) a modification of the gospel outlined in vv. 3b-4.

A) cannot be true because Paul never guarded against it - on the contrary, it was his ambition:

Romans 15:20-21
It has always been my ambition to preach the gospel where Christ was not known, so that I would not be building on someone else’s foundation. Rather, as it is written: “Those who were not told about him will see, and those who have not heard will understand.”

In Acts there are many examples of the apostles preaching to unbelievers. Here is just one:

Acts 8:9-13
Now for some time a man named Simon had practiced sorcery in the city and amazed all the people of Samaria. He boasted that he was someone great, and all the people, both high and low, gave him their attention and exclaimed, “This man is rightly called the Great Power of God.” They followed him because he had amazed them for a long time with his sorcery. But when they believed Philip as he proclaimed the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Simon himself believed and was baptized. And he followed Philip everywhere, astonished by the great signs and miracles he saw.

Paul allows for the possibility that the gospel he specifies in vv. 3b-4 might be heard by unbelievers in the Corinthian church:

1 Corinthians 15:1-2
Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

Paul also says in v.11, that 'this is what you believed.'

B) cannot be true because we do not know who the elect are.

Finally, C) cannot be true because Paul never even hints at such a modification.

Whilst Calvinism demands that the gospel outlined by Paul in vv. 3b-4 is not to be preached to unbelievers, Paul himself had no such concerns.

What does this have anything to do with you quoting me? I was responding to harrisrose77 who contradicted herself by saying I don't have the ability to understand freewill.

If you are going to respond to something I actually said, maybe try going back to 2 Corinthians 5 where I gave a refutation of your view.