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You assume that the 'called' are unbelievers unto belief.
Romans 8
26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for Gods people in accordance with the will of God.
28And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. 29For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
In verse 28, Paul is talking about believers called to a 'his purpose'. Paul was talking about believers in the previous verses, and how the Spirit intercedes 'for God's people' even when they do not know what to pray for. He continues this theme in v. 28. In v. 30 the 'called' follows those that God foreknew and predestined (to be conformed to Christ-likeness).
I wish you would just refute my answers rather than ask me the same questions over and over again. I have told you and FG2 that the term "world" means "Gentiles."Where does it say in John 1 that 'world' means 'believers' or 'the elect'?
Why would John 8:24 not make sense?
This debate would have utterly perplexed Paul and the Corinthian believers. Without a per-existing grid of predestination and their broader understanding Of Christ's mission this debate would have sailed right past them.
John
NZ
This debate would have utterly perplexed Paul and the Corinthian believers. Without a per-existing grid of predestination and their broader understanding Of Christ's mission this debate would have sailed right past them.
John
NZ
Furthermore, the Galatians were child-heirs (minors) before they had come to faith in Christ. By faith they became [adult] Sons. 4:1-6
Read it. Paul said that ther HEIR as long as he is a CHILD differs nothing from a servant until the apointed time of the father. After the father appoints the time the CHILD-HEIR becomes an ADULT SON.
I bet Paul would've said something like "Who are you o man to answer back to God?"
Also overlooked:
I'm not assuming anything. I'm simply reading the verse to you bro. Those whom He called, he also justified. Are you saying 100% of humanity is justified? Because earlier you told us 100% of humanity is called.
Paul wrote to a specific congregation of believers, those who were now Jesus followers. You cannot extrapolate from that context to refer to a statement about the rest of humanity from what Paul did say. That's like arguing
My cat is grey
Some cats are blind
Therefore all grey cats are blind
John
NZ
Paul wrote to a specific congregation of believers, those who were now Jesus followers. You cannot extrapolate from that context to refer to a statement about the rest of humanity from what Paul did say. That's like arguing
My cat is grey
Some cats are blind
Therefore all grey cats are blind
John
NZ
It seems that all we are getting is just "You're wrong".
Acts 13:38 & 46
Therefore, my friends, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you." (Said to a synagogue of Jews and Gentiles).
Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles.
1 Corinthians 15:11b
This is what we preach, and this is what you believed.
Exactly how do you understand the relationship between the sacrificial system of the Old Testament and Christ's offering if not one of prefigurement?So Jesus' sacrifice was unnecessary?
Acts 13:39
Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.
If Isaiah 53 is about all men without exception, you're a universalist.Yes, all men without exception.
If Isaiah 53 is about all men without exception, you're a universalist.
I would be interested in your explanation of Romans 8:28-30 using the above standard.
When it says that Christ took away the sins of the world, did the author intend for you to conclude that nobody has any sins leftover to be paid for, and thus nobody can possibly go to hell?
If not, then you can't use this verse to support your own soteriology, either. And you certainly can't use it to refute Limited Atonement.
Please acknowledge your error. I'm getting tired of correcting it.
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