What did he NOT do?

[rambot]

I read an article that said that almost half of folks believe Trump's arrest was politically motivated.
Ok. But I need some help as perhaps, I may not be totally aware of the situation.

As far as I know:
Donald Trump DID have an affair with Stormy Daniels
Donald Trump DID pay her money to stay quiet
He used campaign funds to do so.

I don't think I have seen a single person ANYWHERE competently argue ANY of these points. It seems to me that everyone involved. Donald Trump admitted it himself in a tweet
Tweet quote:

"With respect to the 'Stormy' nonsense, it is VERY OLD & happened a long time ago, long past the very publicly known & accepted deadline of the Statute of Limitations,"

Just so we are all on the same page then, the events CLEARLY happenned. The only issue appears to be that the Statue of limitations may or may not have passed (depending on local laws about residence and access, it seems).

So.....is the only REAL issue here that the Statue of Limitations has passed? And if it is, why are so many on the right talking like the whole situation is a fabricated? Why is this even considered "political" if the man himself admits to it happenning a long time ago? I recall even when this story first came out, even quite a few people on the right quietly seemed to be taking a position of "oh man...what are you doing guy? I'm gonna support you but, not cool".

Despite the court held evidence and the words of both Trump and Daniels, folks are saying it's a witch hunt....for prosecuting someone for breaking the law? This is where I'm lost.

Does this somehow make Trump into a better person with stronger moral able and capable at guiding America?

EDIT: The tone of this may be a bit condescending or negative. IT is not meant to be. I am just flummoxed.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I read an article that said that almost half of folks believe Trump's arrest was politically motivated.
Ok. But I need some help as perhaps, I may not be totally aware of the situation.

As far as I know:
Donald Trump DID have an affair with Stormy Daniels
Donald Trump DID pay her money to stay quiet
He used campaign funds to do so.

I don't think I have seen a single person ANYWHERE competently argue ANY of these points. It seems to me that everyone involved. Donald Trump admitted it himself in a tweet
Tweet quote:


Just so we are all on the same page then, the events CLEARLY happenned. The only issue appears to be that the Statue of limitations may or may not have passed (depending on local laws about residence and access, it seems).

So.....is the only REAL issue here that the Statue of Limitations has passed? And if it is, why are so many on the right talking like the whole situation is a fabricated? Why is this even considered "political" if the man himself admits to it happenning a long time ago? I recall even when this story first came out, even quite a few people on the right quietly seemed to be taking a position of "oh man...what are you doing guy? I'm gonna support you but, not cool".

Despite the court held evidence and the words of both Trump and Daniels, folks are saying it's a witch hunt....for prosecuting someone for breaking the law? This is where I'm lost.

Does this somehow make Trump into a better person with stronger moral able and capable at guiding America?

EDIT: The tone of this may be a bit condescending or negative. IT is not meant to be. I am just flummoxed.

New Yofk may have tolled this case right after Cohen's conviction. So I'm sure the statue of limitations were paused.

Tolling (law) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[rambot]

New Yofk may have tolled this case right after Cohen's conviction. So I'm sure the statue of limitations were paused.

Tolling (law) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That's what I understood as well.

so yeah....what?

 

[HTacianas]

I read an article that said that almost half of folks believe Trump's arrest was politically motivated.
Ok. But I need some help as perhaps, I may not be totally aware of the situation.

As far as I know:
Donald Trump DID have an affair with Stormy Daniels
Donald Trump DID pay her money to stay quiet
He used campaign funds to do so.

I don't think I have seen a single person ANYWHERE competently argue ANY of these points. It seems to me that everyone involved. Donald Trump admitted it himself in a tweet
Tweet quote:


Just so we are all on the same page then, the events CLEARLY happenned. The only issue appears to be that the Statue of limitations may or may not have passed (depending on local laws about residence and access, it seems).

So.....is the only REAL issue here that the Statue of Limitations has passed? And if it is, why are so many on the right talking like the whole situation is a fabricated? Why is this even considered "political" if the man himself admits to it happenning a long time ago? I recall even when this story first came out, even quite a few people on the right quietly seemed to be taking a position of "oh man...what are you doing guy? I'm gonna support you but, not cool".

Despite the court held evidence and the words of both Trump and Daniels, folks are saying it's a witch hunt....for prosecuting someone for breaking the law? This is where I'm lost.

Does this somehow make Trump into a better person with stronger moral able and capable at guiding America?

EDIT: The tone of this may be a bit condescending or negative. IT is not meant to be. I am just flummoxed.

He used campaign funds to do so.

No. He didn't. He used his own money. That is not in dispute.

As far as tolling the statute of limitations as someone said above, it wasn't. Statutes of limitations cannot be tolled retroactively.

 

[essentialsaltes]

As far as I know:
Donald Trump DID have an affair with Stormy Daniels

Trump denies it. It seems very likely to me that he did; I believe he did, but I wouldn't say I (or the general we) know he did.

Donald Trump DID pay her money to stay quiet

Cohen paid her money to stay quiet. Trump reimbursed Cohen with Trump Organization funds (as 'legal expenses').

He used campaign funds to do so.

Part of what Cohen's guilty plea entailed was that the payment to Daniels was 'unreported assistance' to the Trump campaign. It should have been declared a campaign contribution, since the goal (that close to the election) was not to tie up some loose ends in Trump's personal life, but to affect the trajectory of the campaign/election. But it was not declared a campaign contribution, and/but (as above) the money did not come from campaign funds.


AP with the facts supporting the above.

 

[hislegacy]

As far as I know:
Donald Trump DID have an affair with Stormy Daniels
Donald Trump DID pay her money to stay quiet
He used campaign funds to do so.

It happened 17 years ago and according to his attorney (Michael Cohen), at the time - both Trump and Stormy denied it, the issue rose again 10 or so years later and Stormy decided she's like to cash in -

Trump's attorney Michael Cohen stated that Trump did not know about it and he acted on his own, taking out a home equity loan of $130,000 and paying her. He then billed the Trump organization for the payment.

It's funny that the NDR is not signed by any one other than Stormy.

That is until he went to prison and has completely flipped on his recollections.

 

[Say it aint so]

I read an article that said that almost half of folks believe Trump's arrest was politically motivated.
Ok. But I need some help as perhaps, I may not be totally aware of the situation.

As far as I know:
Donald Trump DID have an affair with Stormy Daniels
Donald Trump DID pay her money to stay quiet
He used campaign funds to do so.

I don't think I have seen a single person ANYWHERE competently argue ANY of these points. It seems to me that everyone involved. Donald Trump admitted it himself in a tweet
Tweet quote:


Just so we are all on the same page then, the events CLEARLY happenned. The only issue appears to be that the Statue of limitations may or may not have passed (depending on local laws about residence and access, it seems).

So.....is the only REAL issue here that the Statue of Limitations has passed? And if it is, why are so many on the right talking like the whole situation is a fabricated? Why is this even considered "political" if the man himself admits to it happenning a long time ago? I recall even when this story first came out, even quite a few people on the right quietly seemed to be taking a position of "oh man...what are you doing guy? I'm gonna support you but, not cool".

Despite the court held evidence and the words of both Trump and Daniels, folks are saying it's a witch hunt....for prosecuting someone for breaking the law? This is where I'm lost.

Does this somehow make Trump into a better person with stronger moral able and capable at guiding America?

EDIT: The tone of this may be a bit condescending or negative. IT is not meant to be. I am just flummoxed.

Not only that, Trump's then lawyer went to jail. In that lawyer's indictment we read this:

“During the campaign, Cohen played a central role in two similar schemes to purchase the rights to stories – each from women who claimed to have had an affair with Individual-1 – so as to suppress the stories and thereby prevent them from influencing the election. With respect to both payments, Cohen acted with the intent to influence the 2016 presidential election. Cohen coordinated his actions with one or more members of the campaign, including through meetings and phone calls, about the fact, nature, and timing of the payments. In particular, and as Cohen himself has now admitted, with respect to both payments, he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Individual-1. As a result of Cohen’s actions, neither woman spoke to the press prior to the election.”​

It would not or should not be of any surprise that after Michael Cohen, it's "Individual-1" turn the barrel for the same crimes, to quote Roger Stone.

 

[Say it aint so]

New Yofk may have tolled this case right after Cohen's conviction. So I'm sure the statue of limitations were paused.

Tolling (law) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Manhattan office was asked to stop moving forward on the case by officals within DOJ.

 

[USincognito]

Trump denies it. It seems very likely to me that he did; I believe he did, but I wouldn't say I (or the general we) know he did.

One of the more horrifying prospects being floated is Donald having to be inspected au naturel and then Ms. Clifford testifying about his anatomy as in the Michael Jackson trial. The same could happen in E. Jean Carrol's case.

 

[rambot]

It happened 17 years ago and according to his attorney (Michael Cohen), at the time - both Trump and Stormy denied it, the issue rose again 10 or so years later and Stormy decided she's like to cash in -

Trump's attorney Michael Cohen stated that Trump did not know about it and he acted on his own, taking out a home equity loan of $130,000 and paying her. He then billed the Trump organization for the payment.

It's funny that the NDR is not signed by any one other than Stormy.

That is until he went to prison and has completely flipped on his recollections.

It seems insane to me that a self purported billionaire take out a home equity loan to pay someone off of 130Gs. Shouldn't he be blowing his nose with 1000$bills?


Yes, when his protector stopped protecting him, he figured he'd do the same I suppose.

 

[disciple Clint]

I read an article that said that almost half of folks believe Trump's arrest was politically motivated.
Ok. But I need some help as perhaps, I may not be totally aware of the situation.

As far as I know:
Donald Trump DID have an affair with Stormy Daniels
Donald Trump DID pay her money to stay quiet
He used campaign funds to do so.

I don't think I have seen a single person ANYWHERE competently argue ANY of these points. It seems to me that everyone involved. Donald Trump admitted it himself in a tweet
Tweet quote:


Just so we are all on the same page then, the events CLEARLY happenned. The only issue appears to be that the Statue of limitations may or may not have passed (depending on local laws about residence and access, it seems).

So.....is the only REAL issue here that the Statue of Limitations has passed? And if it is, why are so many on the right talking like the whole situation is a fabricated? Why is this even considered "political" if the man himself admits to it happenning a long time ago? I recall even when this story first came out, even quite a few people on the right quietly seemed to be taking a position of "oh man...what are you doing guy? I'm gonna support you but, not cool".

Despite the court held evidence and the words of both Trump and Daniels, folks are saying it's a witch hunt....for prosecuting someone for breaking the law? This is where I'm lost.

Does this somehow make Trump into a better person with stronger moral able and capable at guiding America?

EDIT: The tone of this may be a bit condescending or negative. IT is not meant to be. I am just flummoxed.

maybe this will help

 

[Ceallaigh]

This is likely to end up as yet another backfire in Trump's favor.

 

[hislegacy]

It seems insane to me that a self purported billionaire take out a home equity loan to pay someone off of 130Gs. Shouldn't he be blowing his nose with 1000$bills?

Trump did not take out the home equity loan, Michael Cohen did. Re read my post.

Trump's attorney Michael Cohen stated that Trump did not know about it and he acted on his own, taking out a home equity loan of $130,000 and paying her. He then billed the Trump organization for the payment.

 

[NxNW]

This is likely to end up as yet another backfire in Trump's favor.

That seems to imply there have been numerous backfires in his favor.

 

[rambot]

Trump did not take out the home equity loan, Michael Cohen did. Re read my post.

Cohen took a home equity loan out on his OWN house?


Geez, Trump was grifting his OWN attorney? Why do people fall for this?

 

[hislegacy]

Trump's attorney Michael Cohen stated that Trump did not know about it and he acted on his own, taking out a home equity loan of $130,000 and paying her. He then billed the Trump organization for the payment.

Cohen took a home equity loan out on his OWN house?


Geez, Trump was grifting his OWN attorney? Why do people fall for this?

How exactly does a person 'grift' an attorney when the attorney acts ON HIS OWN without his client's knowledge?

And it is still his fault? Why do people fall for this?

 

[hislegacy]

Michael Cohens legal advisor and what he testified to

 

[DaisyDay]

How exactly does a person 'grift' an attorney when the attorney acts ON HIS OWN without his client's knowledge?

And it is still his fault? Why do people fall for this?

Donald is notorious for not paying his bills, including his lawyer bills.

Do you believe that Cohen decided all on his own to pay off Daniels? Wasn't there a contract involved that Donald signed under a pseudonym?

Michael Cohens legal advisor and what he testified to

Synopsis?

 

[Say it aint so]

How exactly does a person 'grift' an attorney when the attorney acts ON HIS OWN without his client's knowledge?

And it is still his fault? Why do people fall for this?

That is false. Cohen has a tape of Trump telling him to make sure to pay in cash. He knew exactly what was going on.

 

[ralliann]

It happened 17 years ago and according to his attorney (Michael Cohen), at the time - both Trump and Stormy denied it, the issue rose again 10 or so years later and Stormy decided she's like to cash in -

Trump's attorney Michael Cohen stated that Trump did not know about it and he acted on his own, taking out a home equity loan of $130,000 and paying her. He then billed the Trump organization for the payment.

It's funny that the NDR is not signed by any one other than Stormy.

That is until he went to prison and has completely flipped on his recollections.

Is this case about trump sleeping with a woman, and paying her to be quiet?? No! It is about making that payment a campaign contibution, there by making him a felon. thats what this is really about. did he pay her so, his wife not know? Not a felony.