What Day Of The Week Is The Sabbath?

woobadooba · May 26, 2006

stone said:
this thread just keeps going and going. lol

Man can make every day holy, father made one:

Ge 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

I just can't fathom why so many Christians despise God's Sabbath day, especially since it is a time to remember the God who created us for good works.

The Sabbath is not a burden, but a delight.

stone · May 26, 2006

it truely is blessed, and to observe it, is to receive fathers blessings in obeying him, I like to show him how much i love him, and he does the same, and shows me that he loves me

tulc · May 26, 2006

Actually I did read it. I have read it again. Guess it's going to be one of those mysteries.
tulc(finishing my coffee!)

woobadooba · May 26, 2006

tulc said:
Actually I did read it. I have read it again. Guess it's going to be one of those mysteries.
tulc(finishing my coffee!)

Tulc, there is no mystery about it. Those who worship God according to the dictates of their own heart, while knowing the manner of worship that He prescribes to His people, are walking in the steps of Cain. In other words, if you know what God wants you to do in terms of worship, but don't do it because it doesn't fit well with your agenda, your offering, like Cain's, will not be acceptable to God.

And what does God tells us to do? He says, "Keep the Sabbath day holy". The Bible makes it very clear what day the Sabbath is. The 7th day. Therefore, those people who refuse to obey this command, while knowing that it exists, but choose to pick some other day to keep holy in place of it, are not obeying God.

I'm not going to candy-coat anything.

Honestly Tulc, do you expect God to bless people when they are being disobedient?

Was Cain blessed for his disobedience? Cain knew what God wanted in terms of worship, but he gave him something else instead. He gave him what he felt was best. And as a result of this, not only did God reject his offering, Cain was cursed.

Please note however, the key question here: Do you know what you ought to do, but do it not? There is a difference between those who know what they ought to do, but do it not, and those who really don't know, but give God their best.

It is not up to me to tell you which side you, or anyone else is on. Only God can judge us in this way. For, He knows what's in our hearts.

But know this: In the day of judgement God will judge us according to the light that has been given to us. And if we don't have the light, but had the opportunity to receive it, and rejected it because it didn't fit well with our feelings of what we believed to be right, we will be judged for that too.

ThreeAM · May 26, 2006

TheDag said:
Interesting how seem to have ignored the last sentence of my post and instead highlighted one part and answerwed that. The one part you answered needs to be read with other sentences to get the proper meaning out of what was being said. You are right in saying Sola Scripture says the bible is the final authority but what you have not been able to grasp is that asking someone if they believe in sola scripture is not the same as asking them to answer only from the bible. Maybe I will give it a rest as it seems you are not able to understand that.

*ThreeAM applies more duct tape to his head*

tall73 · May 27, 2006

tulc said:
Actually I did read it. I have read it again. Guess it's going to be one of those mysteries.
tulc(finishing my coffee!)

I think the point is simply that there are times when God seems arbitrary.

When He told Abraham to offer his son it made no sense. But He expected Abraham to do it.

When He told Noah to build an ark, it made no sense, but he expected Noah to do it.

When He told Adam that if he ate an apple he would die, it made no sense, but He expected Adam to listen.

When He said to remember the Sabbath day, setting it on the 7th day, it makes no sense, humanly speaking, why one day would be any different than another. And were it not for the One who asked being God, it wouldn't be! But He said it. And I assume He expects me to listen.

The only valid question is if He still indeed asks for it to be observed.

I don't see it as a burden either way, it is a blessing. And I do feel that some would certainly get a blessing from taking any day of the week to spend totally with God. But since He asks for a specific one, that is the one I rest on.

tall73 · May 27, 2006

ThreeAM said:
*ThreeAM applies more duct tape to his head*

Alright you two, there are plenty of Sola Scriptura threads you can dig up and post on!

tulc · May 27, 2006

But know this: In the day of judgement God will judge us according to the light that has been given to us. And if we don't have the light, but had the opportunity to receive it, and rejected it because it didn't fit well with our feelings of what we believed to be right, we will be judged for that too.

Ahhh! Then I am unafraid! If there is one thing I've learned over the years it's that God is love, and that He loves me. (and you too!)
tulc(thank you for explaining)

Sophia7 · May 27, 2006

TheDag said:
I've experienced that about sundays. I have friends who work weekends and experience that about wednesdays. Which is why I'm in the it doesn't matter which day group.

Well, I'm glad that you have experienced that on Sundays. Most Christians today don't view Sundays that way. They just go to church and maybe have Sunday dinner and then spend the rest of the day doing the same old things that they do every other day of the week, perhaps with a little more recreation thrown in if they have the day off.

The problem is, though, that God didn't ask us to set aside Sunday or Wednesday for that experience. He sanctified only one day--the seventh--to point us back to Him as our Creator and our Redeemer, and nowhere in the Bible does it say that He changed that.

tulc · May 27, 2006

The problem is, though, that God didn't ask us to set aside Sunday or Wednesday for that experience. He sanctified only one day--the seventh--to point us back to Him as our Creator and our Redeemer, and nowhere in the Bible does it say that He changed that.

Hmmm I believe you holding Saturday as special is your right as a Christian. I also believe my NOT holding as special is also my right. I see it as something left to each believer to decide for themselves.

Romans 14 said:
1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.
9For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 11It is written:
" 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord,
'every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will confess to God.' " 12So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.
13Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. 14As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. 15If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. 16Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. 17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.
19Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.
22So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin. (emph. added)

...and I try to always agree with Paul.
tulc(see ya'll later!)

tall73 · May 27, 2006

The Sabbath is not specifically mentioned in Romans 14. Some see in the reference to holy days the days of fasting common among the Christians (see the Didache for instance), or some other day.

Some say that the Sabbath is indicated because it also mentions food laws. However, the food laws mentioned are not those of the OT, as the OT law did not say to eat only vegetables. The issue may have been either with meat sacrificed to idols, as Paul addresses elsewhere, or perhaps even to some other imposed legalistic system of unknown origin.

So neither the food laws or the Sabbath in the OT are mentioned and the food requirements are clearly not those of the OT. It is likely that Paul is simply dealing with some local dispute over individual worship practices. And his tone is in line with this. He leaves it up to individual decision by conscience.

If Paul had here been eliminating the Sabbath we could expect him to give a much more detailed refutation, as he did with circumcision. Certainly he would be accussed at every turn of eliminating Sabbath keeping if he was doing so, but we do not see this same controversy that is associated with circumcision.

But you will have to decide for yourself what Paul's meaning is.

Sophia7 · May 27, 2006

tulc said:
romans 14 said:

5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.

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This doesn't say anything about the Sabbath. And men can consider whatever day they want holy, but what about the day that God considers sacred?

communityonline · May 27, 2006

Splayd said:
To be honest - there are two things that astound me when discussions of the Sabbath come up in christian circles.

The first is the number of Christians who have such strong reactions to someone choosing to keep the Sabbath on a Saturday (or even more specifically Friday evening through to Saturday evening). They contend that we're free from law and that we don't need to keep the Sabbath any more... BUT surely that same freedom allows us to also choose to keep the Sabbath if we want. They contend that it doesn't matter which day of the week we set aside for Him yet they seem to get offended if someone decides to keep Saturday. They quote verses saying they can't be judged by if, how and when they keep the Sabbath, while at the same time judging others for how and when they keep it, never recognising the hypocrisy of it all. It seems to some that it would be perfectly fine to set aside any particular day of the week and that would be ok... but setting aside Saturday is legalistic?

That brings me to the second thing that confuses me. While some would be fine with the idea of congregating on any given weekday, there are many others that get outraged at the mere suggestion of meeting on say a Thursday instead of a Sunday. They defend their right to worship on Sunday instead of Saturday with claims like "We're no longer under law" and "Jesus is our Sabbath now" and other such claims proving they don't have to keep the Sabbath, yet treat Sunday as if it is some special, set aside day that noone can tamper with. For that matter there are still others that get all uptight if people don't go to church every Sunday, while insisting all the while that there is no Sabbath. I don't understand their concern. If the Sabbath is just a general guideline (at most) now, and it doesn't matter which day they keep (in theory) why would the frequency of observing any given day matter. The letter of the law says every 7 days, but the spirit of the law is just a regular observance, why not every 8th day or every 14th day?

I know I'm exaggerating some points a little and I know I'm not speaking about everyone who doesn't keep the Sabbath. Many people in this thread aren't like that, but I do see these inconsistancies a lot in the wider church community and I'm not even coming from a place of defense as I don't keep the Sabbath. That said - Having read through such threads and prayerfully considered it, I think I'm going to start keeping the Sabbath (Fri/Sat) in addition to meeting with my church on Sunday... not because Christ demands it of me as conditional of His love, not because my salvation is dependant on my strict observance of law... but because my freedom in Christ extends to allowing me to keep the Sabbath as well.

re:blue (above)

And are you aware that even our exaggerating or our agitations against others breaks the Law of God and it breaks your keeping of the last Sabbath Day? Like the Jew, when ever they acted out of 'non-love for other, I mean a heart felt love for others' it made their circumcision of no effect.

Same with us,....if we even somewhat boast in the Law that we are keeping it,.....but we are working in anger and rage for the most part our last "keeping of the Law" (what ever it was) just went to hell in a hand basket, so to speak.

Being doers of the Law is Supernatural, men can't do it. That's why God had to send Jesus so that we would have a new "Father." For our 'father' when Jesus came was the devil. And the deeds of him we worked through. But Faith in Him moved us to have a New "Father" - His Father, because of the Cross. Those elements (underlined) are now to be working in our lives, so that our deeds of our old 'father' will not come back to life which broke God's Law. But if we remain in the vine - In Christ - we are at rest thought we will suffer in the flesh to the putting to death the deeds of our past father-Satan because one element is the cross which says you are to remain in the Vine so that Jesus' Father might remain our Father hence it's His way and this way where we are no longer Law breakers - because the Love of God has come in where we can cry out "Daddy Daddy!!"

communityonline · May 27, 2006

TheDag said:
I've experienced that about sundays. I have friends who work weekends and experience that about wednesdays. Which is why I'm in the it doesn't matter which day group.

Yes for if we believe to be keeping the Law, we must keep the whole law in the flesh which is not convinent. But when we walk in Love and Peace towards our neighbor our Father is shown to be our Father in Heaven where we can know him and He us more and more. Which is walking in the Spirit and not in the flesh/anger rage, accusations etc.

James 2:10-12
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
KJV

Gal 5:3-4
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
KJV

Gal 5:14-16
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulful the lust of the flesh.
KJV

God is true!

communityonline · May 27, 2006

tulc said:
...wait are you comparing everyone who doesn't keep Saturday as the sabbath are like Cain? hey...this isn't the mark of Cain is it?
tulc(not sure you did that, just checking)

The offering here, and I know you know this, but for the others,.......the offering was 'blood'. Which Jesus Fulfilled Beautifully and Perfectly.

We in Him, offer our own blood how? By ceasing from the deeds of our past father, to enter in Sonship of His Son-Jesus Christ. So that His Father will honestly be our Father. Where we can truly know Him and climb up in His Lap in times of trouble as his sons and daughters. Because we know that "Abba Father's" got it all and Jesus His Only Begotten Son paid our penalties of breaking God's Law. The Scriptures can not give us Eternal Life, Life and Peace are only In God "Daddy" and "His Son Jesus Christ." We Christians, to remind all of us, follow A Living Being to receive Eternal Life. The Scriptures are pointing you TO JESUS in order that you might have Life and Peace and Joy.....I mean really "Joy in your heart" where others can see or even discern it by their own spirit.

John 5:36-44
36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

41 I receive not honour from men.

42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

communityonline · May 27, 2006

TheDag said:
Interesting how seem to have ignored the last sentence of my post and instead highlighted one part and answerwed that. The one part you answered needs to be read with other sentences to get the proper meaning out of what was being said. You are right in saying Sola Scripture says the bible is the final authority but what you have not been able to grasp is that asking someone if they believe in sola scripture is not the same as asking them to answer only from the bible. Maybe I will give it a rest as it seems you are not able to understand that.

You just named how every Denomination got started.

Each Denomination, in the fulness of time, picked and choose through words and phrases in God's Word and made a doctrine to teach the people so that they could be lords and master over their flock. Until we wise 5 virgins wake up (for all 10 virgins did fall asleep - read it you guys) we will keep sleeping away following doctrines that had been handed down by our ancestors which had parts and maybe a good part of the Truth of God.

But they got only enough and then made it seem like to folks as the Whole Word of God and camped around it to make it a doctrine that led no one to be conformed to the Image of Christ.

And so that's why all of us, be honest with yourself you all - I'm confessing too here of my past, get agitated so quick, and are depressed, and are angry and without rest in our hearts because what we have been following has not been "Daddy" through the Son. It's been men pulling and picking from the Word of God and then camping there where we have only been following me rather than coming to Know "Daddy" through His Spirit who bears witness to His Word through His Son. We have subsituted "Daddy-God-The Father" for the pages of the Bible, I don't know quit how to put that but that way, for now. We say things like, check it out in your Bible in your pages in your Bible and bypassing A Living Being who is LIFE. The Bible is not "God" JESUS IS GOD. The Bible contains the Word of God,....but we've been too much running to open our Bibles for knowledge when Jesus is right there in Spirit to speak to you. Now I'm not saying, to not read your Bible - not at all - but we debate and fight but we get no where because we all have been still working in the deeds of our past-father. This is what Jesus was conveying. Really.

Thus we have in this world, what man has made:
A Righteousness of the Catholics.
A Righteousness of the Lutheran.
" " of the Church of Christ.
And of the Baptist's.
And you fill in your denomination if you dare to only want "Daddy's Love" through His Son. His Live, is PEACE AND EVERLASTING LIFE. For if you don't have Joy today as Life, why would you want what you have right now to be forever?

God's Peace,
Communityonline

communityonline · May 27, 2006

Sophia7 said:
This doesn't say anything about the Sabbath. And men can consider whatever day they want holy, but what about the day that God considers sacred?

Sophia7,

Jesus fulfilled that Day - "Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy."

For God considered Jesus, Holy,.....it was speaking all about Him even in the Commandments. The Law and the Prophets pointed to Jesus, not us.

Only "A God" can keep anything Holy, that's why God sent Jesus who is not only Remembing the Sabbath to keep it holy but He's also remembering His New Creation (us) to keep it holy.

Must we lose Jesus while coming upon the Scriptures who it is testifying to?

Rest with us; Jesus Is Our Rest. For Jesus has already layed down all debates on the Cross. All kinds of strivings. And all kinds of questions. The blood covers it all in making Peace for us. Hear Jesus, He is "Lord" and "Friend." Now if we like the lust of the flesh (strivings over the law and debates) then we have not so learned Christ and as Paul did he started all over with the Galatians until Christ would be formed in them.

communityonline · May 27, 2006

Originally Posted by: communityonline

Sophia7,

Don't forget to show the next Greatest commandment which is no less important, "Love your Neighbor" as your self; for your post seems very angry-hearted, but I'm sure it didn't mean to sound this way.

Originally Posted by: Sophia7

Forgive me for sounding angry. I was just a little frustrated because these arguments have been addressed already many times, and we do get tired of having to repeat ourselves.

communityonline said:
That's the whole point you got it,....for you don't have to keep repeating yourself, Christ has made all things ready just Teddy Bear Him alone in your arms, for "Daddy" has made all things new; Rest now and Enter in the Peace that Jesus already Purchased for you. All things are already done, even just for you. And rest in what Jesus has already given you; Peace.

God loves you - it was He who already has forgiven you.
Good night and God bless.

Sophia7,

Did you understand? The anger and frustration can all go because you don't have to keep repeating yourself, we can't make nothing work - Jesus already did - Perfectly. So, you don't have to do anything with your Faith in Christ but just be His little-girl and Rest in His Righteousness that He has Purchased for you. And Rest; Enter in!! And when you do that, if any one trys to put any yoke on you "Daddy" will be your defender and say to others, "What sin?" or "I've already done that for her, leave her alone." He's a Good and Justifying God. And you can know Him as "Daddy!" and rest from any labors.

Matt 11:27-30
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one.

Come to Jesus to have Life and Peace and also 'Rest'.

Splayd · May 27, 2006

communityonline said:
re:blue (above)

And are you aware that even our exaggerating or our agitations against others breaks the Law of God and it breaks your keeping of the last Sabbath Day? Like the Jew, when ever they acted out of 'non-love for other, I mean a heart felt love for others' it made their circumcision of no effect.

To be honest - I found your post to be kinda offensive. It seems like you're just looking for things to object to. The points I 'exaggerated' weren't against others at all, they were when I continued the train of thought. The reactions I was talking about were legitimate observations. They weren't meant to offend - on the contrary, that's why I softened my comments with phrases like the one you tried to use against me.

communityonline · May 27, 2006

woobadooba said:
People are upset about it because they believe in absolute morality. Take absolute morality away, and what are you left with, but lawlessness which = anarchy.

Well man has gone about setting up their own laws to follow something other than God.

Like people like priests, we have been the same way. And many of us are still that way. Not knowing God Our Father.

God's allowing it so that we will truly Worship God in Spirit and in Truth - in the Holy Spirit who leads us to put to death the deeds of our past father who walks in wrath/rage/anger/unforgiveness/impatience etc. so that Christ, who is Truth, can be formed in us. That's what it means to Worship God in Spirit and in Truth.

We can love it "His Way" or we will follow the ways of the world and remove it from our hearts to have anarchy in the body/soul and spirit and in our lives around us where all hell breaks loose where we will finally say, "Lord, where have I hated instruction?"

It's our choice and still God has a choice too. so it's best to Worship God who made heaven and earth or keep licking our wounds to no avail. In other words, to stay a child or to become the Mature Man laying aside every sin that so easily tries to entangle us again in many things of the works of the flesh.

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