What day is the Sabbath?

[~Wisdom Seeker~]

The Sabbath was originally the seventh day, and still is for those who think that we still live under the law.

 

[Spaarks]

Claudia, you must be 7th Day Adventist. Am I right? God is happy when a person worships but to determine the actual 7th day in human terms does not apply. When God created the world there was no such thing as 'time'. The 7th day represented in creation is a generalization. I believe any day can be your Sabbath if you choose one day to rest and devote to the Lord. But I agree that we should live each and every day worshiping God. It's useless really to argue this point and in the grand scheme of things, any Christian denomination which tries to convict another or any Christian religion who claims it is the only one that's right, is wrong. Christ performed miracles on the Sabbath day. And He is the Son of God. Whether this is a 7th Day Adventist topic or not (Saturday being the REAL Sabbath) it is hard for me to believe God will condemn anyone who doesn't worship on Saturday. God is just happy that we worship.

 

[Spaarks]

I have done lots of studying on this matter. I have plenty of websites discussing this topic. Quite amazing how many Biblical scholars claims the Adventists are a cult. So focused on one topic when there are so many more things to bring to people, like actually being saved. Oh, and Christ is alive now. Therefore, when a person dies his/her spirit goes immediately to heaven. If a body physically dies the spirit must be released from it. That's just common sense.

 

[rwc109]

Sabbath is a Hebrew day, it is not a Roman day, [it is not Sunday, or Friday or Saturday ]

Hebrew days START at sunset in Jerusalem and end at the next sunset in Jerusalem.

EVERYONE EVERYWHERE has holy sabbath at the same time [nice!]

so we have to know what time our clocks say when it is sunset on Friday in Jerusalem when sabbath starts for EVERYONE EVERYWHERE at the same instant...

How is it easirst to know what time your normal clock says when sabbath begins on friday :-

Go to this free site:-
http://www.sunrisesunset.com/calendar.asp

Scroll down to the SECOND input form on the site
It is headed:-
"Custom Sunrise Sunset Calendar
Location Selection
Enter Your Own Location"

then input:-

Jerusalem
35.17 E
31.78 N

and input YOUR local timezone difference on GMT [e,g, enter -5 for Eastern USA]
[clues given for Americans under the line -it is an American site , they understand your difficulties ! - but ignore anyone else's of course! ]

set the options below for your timesaving area changes to be included [or not]
and untick the moon options which you won't need probably...

This will give you a whole month's figures for
LOCAL TIME on YOUR home clock for sunset in Jerusalem for every day of the month...]

Sabbath starts at sunset time on the FRIDAY figures and ends at the sunset time on teh Saturdayy figures

nice facility this... How easy it would be if mankind used absolute time instead of this complicated local time system that causes all these complications and worse [paradoxes]

 

[rwc109]

The Bible says that the seventh day is the Sabbath day.

Exodus Chapter 20

10: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

The first day of the week is Sunday, the seventh day of the week is Saturday. Jesus kept the Sabbath holy, and His Sabbath was Saturday the seventh day.

 

Genesis 2:2,3 tells us that God actually made the Sabbath at the time of the creation, when He made the world. He rested on the Sabbath and blessed it and sanctified it (set it apart for a holy use).

 

The 4th commandment which was the Sabbath commandment begins with the word "remember", because God knew that people would forget His Sabbath day. He has never commanded anyone anywhere to keep any other day as a weekly holy day.

 

Claudia

Dear Claudia,
Jesus kept sabbath on the seventh Hebrew day not on the Roman [pagan] day, Saturday....

Holy sabbath of God is The SEVENTH day of the Hebrew week, not the seventh day of the pagan Roman week thta most keep todday,,,

Thus holy sabbath starts SIMULTANEOUSLY for everyone at the time of 'friday' sunset in Jerusalem [God did not ever define an local time either]

 

[rwc109]

The Sabbath was originally the seventh day, and still is for those who think that we still live under the law.

As Jesus said the sabbath was created for man [as an optional blessing on the Hebrew-style day that God has sanctified (made holy) for all time...

Thus none chooses to keep it and receive the blessing or chooses another day [as the churches do] and pollutes holy sabbath of God
[or keeps no day and pollutes sabbath or keeps all days and does no work at all]

Now Israel AGREED to keep the holy sabbath in the old covenant between God and Israel ... this has nothing whatever to do with other people receiving the blessing of the spirit of truth from keeping the true original {ONLY} holy weekly sabbath consistent with scripture [worldwide simultaneousy from Friday sunset in Jerusalem] [God NEVER defined any LOCAL time , so God's timekeeping is consistent with absolute time based in Jerusalem as shown to us by Jesus keeping Hebrew sabbath , not for instance Sunday or Saturday as most christian churches KEEP, why do they not KEEP the holy weekly Hebrew day that Christ kept if they must KEEP a day?]

 

[artnalex]

TruthSeeker:

Hi Godzman,

Then Godzman, if the Bible says that Saturday is the Sabbath why are you rejecting what the Bible says?

Your brother in Christ,
TheTruthSeeker

Exactly where in the Bible does God states that the sabbath is Saturday? It doesn't. God states that we need to rest on the 7th day, but He did not say that the 7th day was, in fact, Saturday. Saturday=Sabbath=7th day is a Jewish tradition. The Jews chose Saturday as their 7th day, not God. Of course, he did not oppose Saturday as their sabbath - as the crux of the matter is that they put aside the 7th day and rest, even if it fell on Wednesday. Again, it was the Jews who picked Saturday as their sabbath day, not God.







rwc109:

Dear Claudia,
Jesus kept sabbath on the seventh Hebrew day not on the Roman [pagan] day, Saturday....

Holy sabbath of God is The SEVENTH day of the Hebrew week, not the seventh day of the pagan Roman week thta most keep todday,,,

You are mistaken. Sunday is referred to as the eigth day of the week, as well as the first day of the week, but it has nothing to do with any pagan day. Pagans can worship whoever they worship on any day. If it happens to fall on the Lord's day, so be it. It doesn't change the reasons for the Church setting the Lord's day on Sunday.

I guess what you are saying is that the Lord rose on a pagan day. So be it.

Also, Early Church Fathers also attest to the Catholic Church changing the day of worship from Satrurday to Sunday with the ressurection of our Lord.

The Didache
"But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).

The Letter of Barnabas
"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

Ignatius of Antioch
"[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).


Colossians 2:16-17
"Therefore do not let anyone condemn you in matters of food and drink or of observing festivals, new moons, or sabbaths. These are only a shadow of what is to come, but the substance belongs to Christ"

Scripture notes that Jesus rose from the dead on "the first day of the week".

 

[stranger]

TruthSeeker:
Exactly where in the Bible does God states that the sabbath is Saturday? It doesn't. God states that we need to rest on the 7th day, but He did not say that the 7th day was, in fact, Saturday. Saturday=Sabbath=7th day is a Jewish tradition. The Jews chose Saturday as their 7th day, not God. Of course, he did not oppose Saturday as their sabbath - as the crux of the matter is that they put aside the 7th day and rest, even if it fell on Wednesday. Again, it was the Jews who picked Saturday as their sabbath day, not God.







rwc109:
You are mistaken. Sunday is referred to as the eigth day of the week, as well as the first day of the week, but it has nothing to do with any pagan day. Pagans can worship whoever they worship on any day. If it happens to fall on the Lord's day, so be it. It doesn't change the reasons for the Church setting the Lord's day on Sunday.

I guess what you are saying is that the Lord rose on a pagan day. So be it.

Also, Early Church Fathers also attest to the Catholic Church changing the day of worship from Satrurday to Sunday with the ressurection of our Lord.

The Didache
"But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).

The Letter of Barnabas
"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

Ignatius of Antioch
"[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).


Colossians 2:16-17
"Therefore do not let anyone condemn you in matters of food and drink or of observing festivals, new moons, or sabbaths. These are only a shadow of what is to come, but the substance belongs to Christ"

Scripture notes that Jesus rose from the dead on "the first day of the week".

There is little point in stating later rationalisations of an already apostate religion ...

Jesus told us that the sabbath was made for man ,and it always has been an OPTIONAL blessing for man since god created it HOLY and UNCHANGEABLE ... later God also made it a PERPETUAL SIGN betewwen him and the [remnant of ] Israel for all time [plenty of bible prophecies about holy sabbath in the FUTURE] and ONLY Israel agreed to KEEP it [under pain of death] , nobody else!

Thus there is indeed NO JUDGMENT on anyone for NOT KEEPING holy sabbath [except Israel who agreed to keep it under their old covenant with God will be judged under that covenant], so Collosians 2:16-17 is exactly correct

Holy sabbath is indeed a shadow of what is to come, the final rest of all in God through Jesus Christ by the ministering of the servants of God [Rev &:3] , the royal Kings, the immortal priesthood of the 144,000 remnant of God 's holy nation [1 Peter 2:9] , tribal [genetic] Israel redeemed first as FIRSTFRUITS [Rev 7:3-8] so as to be able to serve as priests and kings of the kingdom of god in the new earth redemption of all [Rev 7:9-10] AFTER the second resurrection [those of the 144,000 who have died before the return of Christ are resurrected in the fIRST resurrection before all the 144,000 are translated to immortality and incorruptibility of the spirit ]

BUT my friend, JESUS PROVED that holy sabbath of God is NOT Saturday , it CANNOT BE and never was ANY Roman day at all, it is and always was a HEBREW DAY, starting [worldwide, everywhere SIMULTANEOUSLY] at what we might call 'Friday' sunset at Jerusalem, the beginning of the SEVENTH Hebrew DAY ... [thus most SDA have it wrong too, and everyone using local time, only 400 years old, gets it wrong too, Satan did a grand job hiding the blessing of the spirit of truth on holy sabbath from most of the world who don't seek the truth CAREFULLY from God by yearning and praying to God and meditating on His holy scriptures... following TRADITION is a big mistake if one wants the truth, but it has its use to God in snaring of satan using the gullible as bait [read 2 Thess chap 2, and understand the "srong delusion of God" on modern traditional christianity and the explanation of the 'mystery of iniquity' , how Satan manifests as a man pretending very convincingly to be Christ returned in the image of Christ of modern christians and ends up uniting the whole world against the 144,000 of tribal Israel... who nonetheless JUST hold out till the real Christ returns and become the [ONLY] priests of redemption (Rev 7:3-10 , 1 Peter 2:9)]

Thus I think you need to examine the scriptures using God as your guide, not the teachings of the very churches that are prophesied to be apostate and thus holding to false traditions [2 Thess 2:3] ... but the choice is yours between folowing tradition or the spirit of truth and scripture ... both ways of life are equally ESSENTIAL to God , but only the latter is true [will prove true in the end] since the former is the essential strong delusion of god on mankind as a whole...

 

[AndOne]

I believe that Colossians 2:16-17 also applies to the remnant of Israel who have believed in Jesus and entered into the new Covenant.

 

[stranger]

Tus despite that Christ rse early on what you call Sunday morning, that is still not the Lord's day since Jesus is a Hebrew and keeps Hebrew days NOT Roman days like Sunday [and Saturday for that matter!]...

The Lord's day is very clearly the holy sabbath since that is the day which GOD chose to point forward to our rest THROUGH Jesus Christ!

Nowhere in scripture does it even vaguely intimate any change from holy sabbath being the Lord's day, that idea was invented by an already apostate church a long time after Jesus Christ and the apostollic church were all-but -destroyed by Rome and Rome invented its State religion and MORTAL priesthood and usurped the name christianity for a religion that rejects kEEPING the holy days of God and the royal priesthood of Israel [1 Pet 2:9] and instead has a non-Hebrew priesthood unsupportable from scripture and actually keeps pagan days that have been dressed up wityh non-scriptural vaguely 'christian' associations...

But nothing substitutes for the spirit of truth PROMISED by christ to the 144,000 [and to a lesser degree to others who are called, but are not the chosen of Israel, many are called, few are rge chosen people of Israel]

The fRUIT of the spirit, the KNOWLEDGE of ALL TRUTH and PROPHECY is SINGULARLY ABSENT from modern christianity as evidenced by the deed DIVISION of christendom... sooner or later someone will notice what Jesus promised and that it is NOT bearing any FRUIT of UNITING christendom, so clearly the spirit of truth is NOT in the modern churches, just as prophesied, they are apostate... here the promise then that is only fulfilled in the remnant of Israel [including those in the HEBREW apsotollic chuch...

Note what the FRUIT of the spirit is, ALL TRUTH, AL PROPHECY [among other things!]:-

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth

Now apply this as a TEST to the modern churches !!

 

[stranger]

I believe that Colossians 2:16-17 also applies to the remnant of Israel who have believed in Jesus and entered into the new Covenant.

Of course it does, but not in the sense that the modern churches would like to pretend that it means....

The 144,000 of tribal [genetic] Israel [Rev 7:5-8] the servants of God [Rev 7:3] and the royal priesthood of the HOLY NATION [1 peter 2:9]of the new covenant with Israel [Jer 31:31-34] are the only PRIESTS and Kings of god, of the Kingdom of God with Jesus Christ as the high priest of their holy immortal order of Melchisedec... and they avoid giving in to the antichrist, avoid the sign of the beast [keeping Sunday] by keeping the optional holy weekly sabbath of God that was confirmed by being kept by Jesus and which he said was made for man [but man (mostly) was made to keep Sunday, not holy sabbath, in order to trap the antichrist into proclaiming himsel God because almost all mankind comes to keep Sunday]

BUT it is the bLESSING of holy weekly sabbath, the blessing from God of the holy spirit of truth PROMISED by Jesus Christ ,as Messiah of Israel ,to Israel ,to KEEP them from falling for the very ingenious twisting of the truth by Satan that has the whole world keeping an empty celebration in place of teh SIGN between God and Israel that is [and was] holy sabbath

 

[artnalex]

Thus I think you need to examine the scriptures using God as your guide, not the teachings of the very churches that are prophesied to be apostate and thus holding to false traditions [2 Thess 2:3]

First of all, May God be With You and forgive you for talking that way about His Church.

Secondly,you ask me to examine scripture using God as my guide, not tradition. But I did use God as my guide, and he led me to the Catholic Church (His Church). Perhaps it is you who bneeds to examine scripture with God at your side. I hope one day you will use your own advice.

 

[stranger]

First of all, May God be With You and forgive you for talking that way about His Church.

Secondly,you ask me to examine scripture using God as my guide, not tradition. But I did use God as my guide, and he led me to the Catholic Church (His Church). Perhaps it is you who bneeds to examine scripture with God at your side. I hope one day you will use your own advice.

You are looking at just a few isolated scriptures from the point of view of tradition and are thus unable to integrate all scripture into the ONE truth of God, that is OK, God finds a use for all approaches to scripture and Jesus came explicitly to divide mankind into three channels ... ALL EQUALLY INVALUABLE to God in the end....

Luk 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

Luk 12:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.

Luk 12:53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

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1). We have the 144,000 of trabal [genetic] Israel of Rev 7:3-8 who are kept righteous by god's [pouring out of His spirit NOW on Israel so that he will be able to form His rOYAL prietshood at the return of Christ [1 Peter 2:9] from His holy nation, Israel.

Ezekiel 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

Proverbs 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

Isa 44:1 Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:

Isa 44:2 Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.
Isa 44:3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:
Joe 2:27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

Zec 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

----Again note in Rev 7:3 that these ARE the servants [ministers] of God whose service is AFTER their resurrection in the great resurrection of ALL nations detailed in Rev 7:9-10

and not too that tribal Israel are the fIRST redeemed in Rev 7:3-10, they are the first-born after Jesus Christ and before everyone else, the firstfruits of scripture EXPLICITLY according to Jesus Christ's own revelation ...

2). the called ... for many are called that are NOT the few of God's chosen people Israel ...

Thus we find that 'strangers' may partake of part of the unconditional optional blessing of holy Hebrew sabbath, even eat the scraps that fall from the table set by Jesus Christ predominantly for the essential work of setting up the 144,000 priesthood of the new covenant WITH the CHILDREN of ISRAEL [Jer 31:31-34 repetaed in Hebrews] [e.g.Mark 7:28]

but Jesus said explicitly that he was SENT BY GOD to the House of Israel ONLY [Matt 15:24] even though they were by his time lost and indistinguuishable [except genetically and to God] from ALL the gentile nations where God had scattered them and given them up to pagan worship for their sins against Him.

Thus we find in parallel to the Hebrew apostles being sent forth [the so-called 'great commission] to reach their brothers of Israel amongst ALL [gentile] nations of the world, also a spin-off to people of other nations whom God calls to seek His truth, to RECEIVE from Him the love of truth that drives men to call on God

so we see a DIVISION of those who are NOT the remnant of israel, not the 144,000 too, into those who are called by God and those who will NOT seek God inTHIS earth , but only do so in the next ... It is ESSENTIAL to understanding God that one sees that ALL people have a ROLE, a purpose in their life FOR God, whether they are kept as righteous saints of Israel, or just called to know a little of God's truth in this earth, or left with no desire to know god's truth until the new earth, until being resurrected in the secoond resurrection and having God's sprit poured forth on them AS ALL FLESH has it poured upon us then {Acts 2:17 reflecting Joel's prophecy}

Read about the Mystery of Iniquity EXPLICITLY explained in 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2

Thus we have the "strong delusion" of God on those "vessels fitted for destruction" of death , these people have the absolutely ESSENTIAL INEVITABLE task of their excursion into unlovingness taking them into being the very bait in God's snare for Satan, God is actually challenging Satan to try to be the god of mankind, and when Satan proclaims that he is so, having converted almost all the world to his particular version of christuianity as the one in place of Christ [literally 'vicar of Christ' or in Greek 'antichristos'] the Christ returns and points out the 144,000 of tribal Israel who have refused to keep the Mark of the beast and instead have kept holy Hebrew sabbath , the mark [sign] of God given as a PERPETUAL sign to ONLY Israel of THEIR true God... the covenant is PERPETUAL too to Israel, this covenant did not wax old with Jesus Christ as did the covenants about salvation through animal sacrifice :-

Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Eze 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

3). Thus we have the called separated by the love of truth given by God from the uncalled but all these will DIE as wages for their SIN, that is the Law, but the called will have lESS to repent in the new earth under the ministry of Israel under Christ as High Priest of the Kingdom of God, so presumably the called will be redeemed more quickly that the uncalled after their resurrection in the second resurrection on account of their efforts to be MORE righteous, less unloving in this earth

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be ****** who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

So you have no cause to decry anyone just because they are on a different path than you, God Loves everyone just the same and will save everyone in due course at just the rIGHT TIME! ... as for those who follow the traditions of men and NOT ALL scripture in modern chrsitaianity ,they will find eventually that the christ image they follow is actually that of the antichrist with its easy on-demand off-the-shelf salvation in exchange for a weekly donation and token attendance on Sunday at church [see thread on the 'Mark of the beast' as distinct from the holy Henbrew sabbath, sign of God to Israel]

Note also the prophesies of Isaih about teh CENTRAL IMPORTANCE of holy Hebrew sabbath to redemption AND that 'strangers' to israel MAY partake [optionally] of the extreme blessings of kepping true holy Hebrew sabbath of God :-

Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

----Note also the EVERYONE ends up kEEPING true holy Hebrew sabbaths in the end , not the other [basically pagan] days kept by modern churches! BUT that none of this matters in the end! all is made right by God, God uses the evil for good, so they are alike to Him, light and darkness, the darkness just shows us the light clearly :-

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Psalms 139:12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.