What Day Did Jesus Rise? When Is The Sabbath?

[Original Happy Camper]

The Book of Exodus would appear to confirm your statement. However, the Orthodox/Catholic Church probably based the change upon Holy Tradition, which they felt was passed on down from one generation to another.

Below is what the Word of GOD has to say about the traditions of men

1 Peter 1:18
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

Matthew 15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

Matthew 15:6
And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

Mark 7:8
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Mark 7:9
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Mark 7:13
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Colossians 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Jesus rose from the dead on a Sunday, I think that is reason enough. Also remember the New Testament wasn't written untill after Our Lord rose from these dead.

Please show me from the bible where the solemnity of the seventh day Sabbath was transferred to Sunday the first day of the week.

This is what your church says

The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine Written by Peter Geiermann, C. SS. R. with the aim of clearly presenting Catholic doctrine to non-Catholics.

This facsimile reprint of the 1930 edition contains the often quoted questions and answers regarding the change of the solemnity of the seventh-day Sabbath to Sunday:

"Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?

A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the Solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." (p. 50).

 

[NomNomPizza]

When Jesus died, what day of the week did he rise?

Also, what day is the sabbath? Is it Saturday?

I'm in an argument with my dad about these two questions and would like to know what you guys say.

Sabbath is not Saturday
Saturday is the day of god Saturn

Sabbath is Sabbath , 7th day of the week or holiday (high Sabbath)
simple right

Exact day of Jesus's ressurection was feast of First Fruits

 

[Basil the Great]

Except that neither the Eastern Orthodox nor Roman Catholic Church changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. The Sabbath has always been on the 7th day. It's just that there is no commandment that Christians are under any obligation to observe it.

Shabbat is Shabbat.
The Lord's Day is the Lord's Day.

One is Saturday (the Sabbath).
One is Sunday (the Lord's Day).

Two different days.

-CryptoLutheran

The last I knew, the Catholic Catechism stated that it is a grave/mortal sin to perform unnecessary work on Sunday, per the Ten Commandments, which require rest on the Sabbath Day. Hence, it is obvious that the Catholic Church considers Sunday as the Christian Sabbath Day. Also, a poster previously posted on this thread a citation as to when the former Orthodox-Catholic Church officially made Sunday the Christian Sabbath Day. We all know that the Sunday day of rest is widely disregarded today, both by Catholics and by Protestants. I will not include the Orthodox in this discussion, since the EOC apparently regards Saturday as the Sabbath day, though I still do not know what this means in practical terms.

As to the Lutheran Catechism, I seem to recall that Luther said that we keep the Sabbath commandment as Christians by attending church and reading the Scriptures. I do not believe that he regarded resting on Sunday as a requirement, which is a little strange since he was a Catholic monk. However, he obviously made some changes when he began his break with Rome. I think it proper to remind us all of the famous "Blue Laws" which existed in New England during the 1700's and 1800's, which were an attempt to enforce Sunday as a day of rest. The Protestant Puritans were very big on keeping Sunday as a day of rest.

 

[Basil the Great]

Sunday (the 1st day of the week) has never been, never will be the Sabbath day. Sunday is the day of His Resurrection. We are also forbidden to fast on Shabbat in Orthodoxy, unlike, I believe, the Romans do...

I find this matter to be utterly fascinating. Am I to understand then that the EOC does not teach that it is a grave sin for Orthodox Christians to do unnecessary work on Sunday? Again, we all know that very few Catholics and Protestants in this day and age worry about said issue. However, unless the current Catholic Catechism has made a complete U-turn regarding their teaching on the Ten Commandments from the pre-John Paul II Catechism, Catholic doctrine still teaches that it is a grave/mortal sin to perform unnecessary work on Sunday.

 

[ViaCrucis]

The last I knew, the Catholic Catechism stated that it is a grave/mortal sin to perform unnecessary work on Sunday, per the Ten Commandments, which require rest on the Sabbath Day. Hence, it is obvious that the Catholic Church considers Sunday as the Christian Sabbath Day. Also, a poster previously posted on this thread a citation as to when the former Orthodox-Catholic Church officially made Sunday the Christian Sabbath Day. We all know that the Sunday day of rest is widely disregarded today, both by Catholics and by Protestants. I will not include the Orthodox in this discussion, since the EOC apparently regards Saturday as the Sabbath day, though I still do not know what this means in practical terms.

As to the Lutheran Catechism, I seem to recall that Luther said that we keep the Sabbath commandment as Christians by attending church and reading the Scriptures. I do not believe that he regarded resting on Sunday as a requirement, which is a little strange since he was a Catholic monk. However, he obviously made some changes when he began his break with Rome. I think it proper to remind us all of the famous "Blue Laws" which existed in New England during the 1700's and 1800's, which were an attempt to enforce Sunday as a day of rest. The Protestant Puritans were very big on keeping Sunday as a day of rest.

Luther's Large Catechism on the Decalogue carefully distinguishes the mere external matter of the Decalogue as it was intended for the Jews, and its use for Christians. So when it comes to the commandment over the Sabbath Luther makes a clear distinction between the intended meaning for the Jews, to rest on the seventh day for it is holy, and how it can be meaningful for the Church. In the Church it's not about a specific day of the week upon which to rest; but rather that God here demonstrates His love and care for His creation and thus a resting from worldly labors is a good thing, it doesn't matter when.

"Now, in the Old Testament, God separated the seventh day, and appointed it for rest, and commanded that it should be regarded as holy above all others. As regards this external observance, this commandment was given to the Jews alone, that they should abstain from toilsome work, and rest, so that both man and beast might recuperate, and not be weakened by unremitting labor.

...

This commandment, therefore, according to its gross sense, does not concern us Christians; for it is altogether an external matter, like other ordinances of the Old Testament, which were attached to particular customs, persons, times, and places, and now have been made free through Christ.

But to grasp a Christian meaning for the simple as to what God requires in this commandment, note that we keep holy days not for the sake of intelligent and learned Christians (for they have no need of it [holy days]), but first of all for bodily causes and necessities, which nature teaches and requires; for the common people, man-servants and maid-servants, who have been attending to their work and trade the whole week, that for a day they may retire in order to rest and be refreshed.

Secondly, and most especially, that on such day of rest (since we can get no other opportunity) freedom and time be taken to attend divine service, so that we come together to hear and treat of God’s Word, and then to praise God, to sing and pray.

However, this, I say, is not so restricted to any time, as with the Jews, that it must be just on this or that day; for in itself no one day is better than another; but this should indeed be done daily; however, since the masses cannot give such attendance, there must be at least one day in the week set apart. But since from of old Sunday [the Lord’s Day] has been appointed for this purpose, we also should continue the same, in order that everything be done in harmonious order, and no one create disorder by unnecessary innovation." - Luther's Large Catechism, Part I, 3rd Commandment

I don't think this is in any way a departure from previous Catholic thought; it's pretty right on the money as far as how Christians have always talked about these things.

The Sabbath is on the seventh day, but Christians are not under any obligation to observe the Sabbath; but it is good to take rest, and to devote time especially to the worship and honor of God.

There is no divinely appointed day of worship or rest in Christianity. It is therefore out of the Church's own voluntary freedom that we gather on Sunday, the Lord's Day; and have set aside special days as occasions to reflect upon different parts of the Gospel story and our faith, such as Christmas, Easter, Epiphany, Lent, and so on.

Therefore as the Church we benefit from this commandment not by the letter of the law, but the spirit of the law; of God's intended good for creation and of God's people's call to a life of worship and devotion to God. Which through the God-given freedom of conscience which we have in Christ, as St. Paul so adamantly speaks about in his letters, we have voluntarily set aside certain days and times that we may be regularly, and even daily, enriched by God's precious and holy word.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Soyeong]

When Jesus died, what day of the week did he rise?

Also, what day is the sabbath? Is it Saturday?

I'm in an argument with my dad about these two questions and would like to know what you guys say.

Jesus rose on the Feast of Firstfruits as the firstfruits from the dead, he was in the grave for three days and three nights, and he was put in the grave just before the end of the day, so I think he most likely rose on the transition between Saturday and Sunday, but the empty tomb wasn't discovered until the next morning. The Israelites received a double portion of manna for the 7th day for 40 years in the wilderness, they have been keeping it ever since, and the period of time that they have been keeping corresponds to between Friday and Saturday at sundown.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I find this matter to be utterly fascinating. Am I to understand then that the EOC does not teach that it is a grave sin for Orthodox Christians to do unnecessary work on Sunday? Again, we all know that very few Catholics and Protestants in this day and age worry about said issue. However, unless the current Catholic Catechism has made a complete U-turn regarding their teaching on the Ten Commandments from the pre-John Paul II Catechism, Catholic doctrine still teaches that it is a grave/mortal sin to perform unnecessary work on Sunday.

A "grave" sin? Not sure I know what you mean. I mean you are expected to attend services on Sunday, but if you garden or shop or whatever later in the day on Sunday, never heard that was a sin...

We are prohibited to fast on the Sabbath. I believe Roman Catholics are allowed to do so or were at some time.

"...although Sunday is our day of worship, we Orthodox also keep the day of rest, which is on Saturday, the biblical Sabbath."
Abbot Tryphon

 

[GreekOrthodox]

I find this matter to be utterly fascinating. Am I to understand then that the EOC does not teach that it is a grave sin for Orthodox Christians to do unnecessary work on Sunday? Again, we all know that very few Catholics and Protestants in this day and age worry about said issue. However, unless the current Catholic Catechism has made a complete U-turn regarding their teaching on the Ten Commandments from the pre-John Paul II Catechism, Catholic doctrine still teaches that it is a grave/mortal sin to perform unnecessary work on Sunday.

We dont divide sin into categories. Sin is sin is sin. ALL sin keeps us separate from God as we pray in one of the pre-Eucharist prayers:
"Therefore I pray Thee: have mercy upon me and forgive my transgressions both voluntary and involuntary, of word and of deed, of knowledge and of ignorance. And make me worthy to partake without condemnation of Thy most pure Mysteries, for the remission of my sins, and unto life everlasting. Amen."


In Greek, the days of Friday, Saturday and Sunday are called "Paraskeví" (Day of Preparation), Sávvato (Sabbath), and Kyriakí (The Lord's Day).

At least in seminary and in some parishes, Saturday was the day that we cleaned the chapel, polished the brass, etc. We normally would not have a Saturday morning service. On Saturday evening, the Saturday evening vespers services is held. We start the liturgical day at sunset. If it is some feast day, this may be a Great Vigil which takes about 2 and half hours as three services are done one after another.

Kyriaki is the "Eighth Day", the Day of Resurrection and of eternal rest.

In Christianity, instead of the Sabbath, Sunday is celebrated with the same goal: rest from all worldly affairs and the devotion of the day solely to God’s works. Christian sobriety has never reached the point of Pharisaic pettiness concerning not doing things on Sunday. However, the permissible allowance for doing things on this day has been set far beyond the proper limits. Not doing things kept the Pharisees from performing good works, whereas the things which Christians allow themselves are what lead them away from good works. On the eve of Sunday they go to the theater and then to some other entertainment. In the morning they oversleep and there is no time to go to church. There are several visits, then lunch, and in the evening again entertainment. Thus all their time is relegated to the belly and to pleasing the other senses, and there is no time to remember God and good works. - St. Theophan the Recluse

 

[Davy]

When Jesus died, what day of the week did he rise?

Also, what day is the sabbath? Is it Saturday?

I'm in an argument with my dad about these two questions and would like to know what you guys say.

Lord Jesus was crucified to the time required of the passover lamb per Old Testament reckoning. That was to be the 14th Nissan at evening. That was on a Wednesday, the preparation day for the feast that would begin on Thursday at sunset. Per John 19, they rushed to bury His body before sunset, because starting at sunset (begins Thursday), was to be a "high day", the first day of the feast. And per the OT no work was to be done, so it was a sabbath in the middle of the week, not the regular weekly sabbath.

One MUST use the Hebrew reckoning for a 24hr. period, which was sunset to sunset, not our midnight to midnight.

Jesus revealed His body would be in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights (Matthew 12:40). That has to be a literal 3 days and 3 nights:

Wednesday before sunset = preparation day, Jesus crucified and dies at evening, the time of the passover sacrifice. At sunset would begin Thursday, the 1st day of the feast.

Thursday sunset to morning = 1st night
Thursday morning to sunset = 1st day
Friday sunset to morning = 2nd night
Friday morning to sunset = 2nd day
Saturday sunset to morning = 3rd night
Saturday morning to sunset = 3rd day
Sunday at sunset = sometime after sunset Jesus rose. Sometime before dawn the stone was found rolled away and His body no longer in the tomb.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Lord Jesus was crucified to the time required of the passover lamb per Old Testament reckoning. That was to be the 14th Nissan at evening. That was on a Wednesday, the preparation day for the feast that would begin on Thursday at sunset. Per John 19, they rushed to bury His body before sunset, because starting at sunset (begins Thursday), was to be a "high day", the first day of the feast. And per the OT no work was to be done, so it was a sabbath in the middle of the week, not the regular weekly sabbath.

One MUST use the Hebrew reckoning for a 24hr. period, which was sunset to sunset, not our midnight to midnight.

Jesus revealed His body would be in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights (Matthew 12:40). That has to be a literal 3 days and 3 nights:

Wednesday before sunset = preparation day, Jesus crucified and dies at evening, the time of the passover sacrifice. At sunset would begin Thursday, the 1st day of the feast.

Thursday sunset to morning = 1st night
Thursday morning to sunset = 1st day
Friday sunset to morning = 2nd night
Friday morning to sunset = 2nd day
Saturday sunset to morning = 3rd night
Saturday morning to sunset = 3rd day
Sunday at sunset = sometime after sunset Jesus rose. Sometime before dawn the stone was found rolled away and His body no longer in the tomb.

It says that WEEKLY Sabbath was also a "High day"...the 1st of unleavened, the 15th. So He died on a Friday (the day of preparation, the 14th) and rose on Sunday (the 16th, the 1st day of the week). The eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus prove your timeline wrong...

 

[Davy]

It says that WEEKLY Sabbath was also a "High day"...the 1st of unleavened, the 15th. So He died on a Friday (the day of preparation, the 14th) and rose on Sunday (the 16th, the 1st day of the week). The eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus prove your timeline wrong...

The following shows God's requirement for His passover. Jesus became our passover sacrificed for us per Apostle Paul, so Christ's crucifixion had... to align with the Old Testament passover requirements, and it did.

Ex 12:5-18
5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

Jesus was crucified on the 14th of Nissan, which at evening was the required time of the lamb sacrifice. At sunset would begin Nissan 15, the 1st day of the feast, which was to be a high day (sabbath).


7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.
11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD's passover.
12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.
13 And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

They were to eat the passover that night (the 15th which began at sunset 14th). That was the first day of the feast.

14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

God described that day of eating the passover as a feast to be kept forever.


15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.
16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.

That is what John 19 is referring to about the "high day". The 1st day of the feast was to be a high day, a sabbath. That began at sunset on the 14th right after the lamb was sacrificed at evening on the 14th. Must use the Hebrew reckoning for a day, sunset to sunset.


17 And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.
18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.
KJV

 

[Davy]

For those interested in following the events leading up to Christ's crucifixion 6 days before, see this:

Six Days Before the Passover (John 12:1) - Appendix to the Companion Bible

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The following shows God's requirement for His passover. Jesus became our passover sacrificed for us per Apostle Paul, so Christ's crucifixion had... to align with the Old Testament passover requirements, and it did.

Ex 12:5-18
5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

Jesus was crucified on the 14th of Nissan, which at evening was the required time of the lamb sacrifice. At sunset would begin Nissan 15, the 1st day of the feast, which was to be a high day (sabbath).


7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.
11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD's passover.
12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.
13 And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

They were to eat the passover that night (the 15th which began at sunset 14th). That was the first day of the feast.

14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

God described that day of eating the passover as a feast to be kept forever.


15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.
16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.

That is what John 19 is referring to about the "high day". The 1st day of the feast was to be a high day, a sabbath. That began at sunset on the 14th right after the lamb was sacrificed at evening on the 14th. Must use the Hebrew reckoning for a day, sunset to sunset.

17 And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.
18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.
KJV

None of what you wrote proves your timeline. I agree the 14th is Pesakh, the 15th is the 1st of unleavened and the 16th is Yom HaBikkurim.

 

[Davy]

None of what you wrote proves your timeline. I agree the 14th is Pesakh, the 15th is the 1st of unleavened and the 16th is Yom HaBikkurim.

That's funny, because you just agreed with me, sort of, but you're only in error about the 14th because you aren't recognizing the 15th started at sunset on the 14th. Still refusing to use the Hebrew time reckoning for a day I see (sunset to sunset).

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

That's funny, because you just agreed with me, sort of, but you're only in error about the 14th because you aren't recognizing the 15th started at sunset on the 14th. Still refusing to use the Hebrew time reckoning for a day I see (sunset to sunset).

Because you posted scripture. It was not that I agreed with you. I agree with the scriptures you posted. Of course I understand when the 14th starts and ends as everyday does. What you seem to ignore is that the eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus agree with me but not you...

 

[Davy]

Because you posted scripture. It was not that I agreed with you. I agree with the scriptures you posted. Of course I understand when the 14th starts and ends as everyday does. What you seem to ignore is that the eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus agree with me but not you...

That part I underlined still does not show you admit that one has to use the Hebrew reckoning for a day, sunset to sunset, because today's reckoning 'as everyday does' is figured from midnight to midnight. So it appears you are still being careful to not admit the sunset to sunset timing for a Biblical day.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

That part I underlined still does not show you admit that one has to use the Hebrew reckoning for a day, sunset to sunset, because today's reckoning 'as everyday does' is figured from midnight to midnight. So it appears you are still being careful to not admit the sunset to sunset timing for a Biblical day.

Not at all. I fully understand it. What you don't understand is that your timeline is wrong according to scripture...we have repeatedly proved this to you and you still ignore it...

 

[Clare73]

With no basis in the word of GOD they did this.

No. . .Heb 3:7-4:13 presents the OT once-a-week Sabbath rest as fulfilled in God's own full-time Sabbath rest of the salvation rest in Jesus Christ, where we rest full-time, not just one day a week, from our own work to save, and in Jesus' finished work which saved us.

The NT church chose Sunday for their day of worship and the Lord's Supper.

Detailed explanation of Heb 3:7-4:13 is found in another thread,
post #1259, Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?.

 

[Davy]

Not at all. I fully understand it. What you don't understand is that your timeline is wrong according to scripture...we have repeatedly proved this to you and you still ignore it...

You're funny, you haven't repeatedly proven anything you claim.

I showed the Scripture requirement for the passover, line upon line, which is God's Word. Take it or leave it.