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What Darwin has done to the world...

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Astrid

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That is what I said the origin of a Life has not been figured out, Darwin just did species to species

That's a pretty big "just", being the unifying theory of all
biology.
Probably the most significant theory of all time, to date.
And a source of vast confusion and hysteria for some
religious sorts,
 
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Surely no proof star dust was a agent.
That's a pretty big "just", being the unifying theory of all
biology.
Probably the most significant theory of all time, to date.
And a source of vast confusion and hysteria for some
religious sorts,

It’s just a needle in a field of hay stacks, got to get to star dust proof
 
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I've wondered if life might not be spontaneously
originating every day in certain few places on earth,
but the inept little blobs don't have a chance against
advanced life forms and just get eaten.
 
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Surely no proof star dust was a agent.


It’s just a needle in a field of hay stacks, got to get to star dust proof

Your hypermetaphorication is too much for my lil
intellect.
Prease exprain in simple talk.
 
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Your hypermetaphorication is too much for my lil
intellect.
Prease exprain in simple talk.

The book doesn’t cover origin first life and how it formed that’s all I am saying, does it go into the molecular levels the first
 
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The claim that Darwinism is directly responsible for both Marxism and Nazism, along with all the other things you've tried unsuccessfully to link to it.

All you have to do is look at their philosophical underpinnings. You can ask questions like who they credit for their ideas and what their ideas were originally based on.

Karl Marx dedicated Das Kapital to Charles Darwin, and sought to explain human history and the class struggle in light of Darwinian evolution. Do you know what dialectical materialism even is?

Marxists are more than happy to credit Darwin for their views on history and human society:

Marx and Engels...and Darwin?
The essential connection between historical materialism and natural selection
Marx and Engels...and Darwin? | International Socialist Review

And do you know what eugenics and social Darwinism are, which ultimately led to Nazi ideology? Do you see any connection whatsoever between eugenics and the following passage from Darwin's Descent of Man?


Perhaps Nazis got the idea that evolution supports white supremacy by actually reading what Darwin wrote in the Descent of Man:


Why is it so hard to accept the fact that Darwin's theory of evolution has resulted in negative historical consequences? Was Darwin some sort of saint whose theory could do no wrong?

No one in this thread has actually disproved that the ideologies presented in my OP were inspired by or based on Darwin's ideas.
 
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"All you have to do" is your key phase.

Do you know the word "facile"?
 
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Why is it so hard to accept the fact that Darwin's theory of evolution has resulted in negative historical consequences? Was Darwin some sort of saint whose theory could do no wrong?

Because notions of racial superiority didn't exist before Darwin came along, amirite?
 
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Because racism didn't exist before Darwin came along, amirite?

We're not talking about racism in a general sense. Nazism is a specific instance of racism that was largely based on the ideas of Charles Darwin. It's as simple as looking at the words of the Nazis and comparing them to the words of Darwin. The Nazis claimed that they were putting Darwin's ideas into practice, which isn't hard to believe when you look at what Darwin actually wrote.
 
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I have a degree in American history. I wouldn't make the following historical claims without first researching them:


Whether you like it or not, these are all things that historically happened. No one in this thread, so far, has actually disproved the above historical observations.

If you don't even know what dialectical materialism is, for example, then you probably don't know its basis in Darwin's ideas.
 
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We all know that.

So basically there is two thoughts to the beginning of life one from ID and the other no ID.

neither can go back far enough to prove one or the other is correct with physical evidence I find it humorous
 
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The origins of Nazism is quite complicated and like many socio-political movements can't be boiled down to a singular influence. It's true that some of the ideas that formed the Völkisch movement were influenced by Darwin's writings, but the overall rise of Nazism had numerous contributing factors including the political status of Germany following WW1 and economic depression that followed.

Also of note is that ideas of racial or cultural superiority in European society predated Darwin. Just looking at the history of European colonialism speaks volumes to that. Darwin didn't exist in a vacuum.

Plus, Alfred Wallace also came up with the idea of natural selection around the same time Darwin did. Darwin just happened to get all the credit. Even if Darwin never existed, the idea of natural selection as a major mechanism of biological evolution would still have come forth. That idea was not unique to Darwin.
 
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So basically there is two thoughts to the beginning of life one from ID and the other no ID.

neither can go back far enough to prove one or the other is correct with physical evidence I find it humorous

You think there is some sort of equivalence?
That's vaguely amuding but more sad than funny.
 
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Do you also have a degree in biology? Because that would be a little more relevant in terms of Darwin's ideas re: evolution.

An AA in history from Sheetrock State bible school, v a MA
from Berkeley is also relevant.

Usually history is a sideline for the basketball coach at a high school.
 
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You think there is some sort of equivalence?
That's vaguely amuding but more sad than funny.

It does, the going theory is life on earth started from star dust that cannot be verified.

the origin of life on earth is a hypothesis up to this point in the evolution of life.
 
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It does, the going theory is life on earth started from star dust that cannot be verified.

the origin of life on earth is a hypothesis up to this point in the evolution of life.

There is no such theory about the origin of life.

There is no theory of the origin of life.
If there ever is, it won't be what you said.

You treat theory and hypothesis as if they were the same thing.

So much that's completely wrong in just a few words.

Don't you see you are out of your league?
 
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Some people say there was no intelligent design in nature.

Yet they say that standing on the six step of a latter of life and saying see there is no intelligent design in nature regardless if they themselves have not even reached the bottom of the latter the very roots of the tree the dirt that surrounds them the water that feeds them
 
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I have a degree in American history. I wouldn't make the following historical claims without first researching them

Better credentialled historians than you have made similarly bad claims about linking Darwin to Nazism and Marxism.

Perhaps you've been reading Richard Weikart? Or David Berlinski?

Was Darwin an influential thinker? Yes. Did his thinking have an impact on Marx and Hitler. Yes. But not nearly to the extent you're trying to paint.

However, was Darwin a "false prophet and that his theory of evolution was a false teaching"? Clearly no. Were Nazism and Marxism "clearly based" on Darwinian evolution. Clearly no
 
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