What creationists need to do to win against evolution.

[pitabread]

Because IF someone understands how something works, they should be able to explain it in 25 words or less.

I know enough of how a lot of things work to know that trying to explain them in 25 words or less would be an exercise in misunderstanding.

 

[solid_core]

I have nothing against mythology or fables or fairy tales. In fact, I rather like them. And they are certainly important aspects of human history that we can learn from, but I would certainly NOT use a COLLECTION of myths, fables and tall tales (see what I did there, listed them separately to indicate that they are different literary vehicles) as a scientific textbook since those "first tries of humanity to grasp the reality around them" were generally wrong, i.e. lightning and thunder being caused by Thor's hammer.

Mythology is a description of the world, while tales are for children or for amusement.

Mythology is a description of the world that uses symbolism, personification, zoomorphism and other tools to make a system of the world. Thats why I reacted when you put it into one sentence with other things that are unrealistic.

If we mythologically say that god of anger has brother - a god of hate or a god of war, I am not saying a fairy tale, I am using personifications to describe psychological or sociological realities.

So you may not like its tools, but the point of mythology is not something unreal.

 

[46AND2]

Because IF someone understands how something works, they should be able to explain it in 25 words or less.

Sorry, but that is just ridiculous. I can't even explain football in 25 words or less, and I've lived and breathed the sport for 40 years.

 

[Ophiolite]

Are the above YOUR words?

Yes.

 

[Resha Caner]

Sorry, but that is just ridiculous. I can't even explain football in 25 words or less, and I've lived and breathed the sport for 40 years.

22 men try to put a ball into a goal.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. When I was visiting my wife's family in Germany many years ago, I found them all to be soccer* fanatics. When I asked my wife's cousin to explain the game, the above is the reply I got.

*Soccer: The term Americans use in order to make it clear Europeans aren't really playing football.

 

[46AND2]

22 men try to put a ball into a goal.

Factually incorrect. Edit: oops, guess I should have read the rest of your post more carefully. lol

Although technically the keeper is not trying to put the ball in a goal, except in rare occasions.

 

[GodsGrace101]

22 men try to put a ball into a goal.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. When I was visiting my wife's family in Germany many years ago, I found them all to be soccer* fanatics. When I asked my wife's cousin to explain the game, the above is the reply I got.

*Soccer: The term Americans use in order to make it clear Europeans aren't really playing football.

I have a son in law that told me he couldn't explain soccer because it's too complicated.

ANYTHING could be explained in 25 words or less.
The only words I would add to your explanation of soccer is that there are two teams opposing each other
and whoever gets the most goals wins.

 

[MIDutch]

What am I trying to force others to believe?

You personally, nothing.

Creationists as a group, up until Epperson v. Arkansas (1968), that the world is only 6-10 thousand years old, that the first man was magically conjured up out of a pile of dirt, that the first woman was magically conjured up out of a rib ripped out of the first man, that snakes could talk, that the Flintstones was a documentary, that a 600 year old guy built a wooden barge and stuffed it with all sorts of animals (including dinosaurs) to survive a cataclysmic global flood that magically and almost instantaneously formed every geological feature we see on the planet, etc.. Do any of these sound familiar to you? Well, these were the things that creationists (though they haven't necessarily been called that throughout their history) have been forcing people to believe as scientifically valid for the past few hundred years in the Western (Christian) world, often upon pain of torture and death.

What am I trying to pass off as science?

Willful ignorance.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Sorry, but that is just ridiculous. I can't even explain football in 25 words or less, and I've lived and breathed the sport for 40 years.

I could.

 

[solid_core]

I have a son in law that told me he couldn't explain soccer because it's too complicated.

ANYTHING could be explained in 25 words or less.
The only words I would add to your explanation of soccer is that there are two teams opposing each other
and whoever gets the most goals wins.

I would add - they use legs. Thats why it is called football (and Americans do not get the logic - they think that foot ball is supposed to be hold in hands)

 

[Resha Caner]

Factually incorrect.

How so?

 

[GodsGrace101]

You personally, nothing.

Creationists as a group, up until Epperson v. Arkansas (1968), that the world is only 6-10 thousand years old, that the first man was magically conjured up out of a pile of dirt, that the first woman was magically conjured up out of a rib ripped out of the first man, that snakes could talk, that the Flintstones was a documentary, that a 600 year old guy built a wooden barge and stuffed it with all sorts of animals (including dinosaurs) to survive a cataclysmic global flood that magically and almost instantaneously formed every geological feature we see on the planet, etc.. Do any of these sound familiar to you? Well, these were the things that creationists (though they haven't necessarily been called that throughout their history) have been forcing people to believe as scientifically valid for the past few hundred years in the Western (Christian) world, often upon pain of torture and death.
Willful ignorance.

The bible is not a book about science.
If any Christian tells you that, he's not properly informed.

My ignorance and I are exiting this discussion.

 

[Ophiolite]

I know enough of how a lot of things work to know that trying to explain them in 25 words or less would be an exercise in misunderstanding.

It would also, in many cases, be evidence of insanity. Here is my insane attempt to do it for the Cambrian Explosion.

The Cambrian explosion: the end result of 3 billion years of progressive increases in complexity, previously overlooked because of the microscopic nature of the evidence. (25 words)

 

[GodsGrace101]

I would add - they use legs. Thats why it is called football (and Americans do not get the logic - they think that foot ball is supposed to be hold in hands)

It could be added, but not absolutely needed as the goal of the game has been stated.

And yes, it's called FOOTBALL in the states...it IS rather strange! Maybe because the ball is kicked every now and then? Who can know....

 

[46AND2]

How so?

I failed to adequately absorb the context of your post. Have made an edit to the post.

 

[solid_core]

It could be added, but not absolutely needed as the goal of the game has been stated.

And yes, it's called FOOTBALL in the states...it IS rather strange! Maybe because the ball is kicked every now and then? Who can know....

I think they were simply unable to invent another word. Americans...

Or they did not know a difference between foot and hand. They were quite uneducated back then

 

[46AND2]

I could.

Not adequately.

 

[MIDutch]

I'm not a creationist.

Then what are you?

You deny the evidence that supports the observed fact of evolution and the biological Theory of Evolution that explains it.

You don't believe in ecological speciation.

You don't accept natural selection and common descent.

Every single one of your "arguments" is textbook creationist.

You self identify as a Christian.

You will have to explain to me what you are then because "if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, then it's probably a duck" certainly may apply here.

 

[Resha Caner]

Although technically the keeper is not trying to put the ball in a goal, except in rare occasions.

Fair enough, though I could argue there is a sense in which he is. If the goalie succeeded in keeping the ball out of his goal for the entire game, does it mean his team would win? No. So, when the goalie clears the ball, what is he trying to do? In essence, he's going for an assist.

Anyway, it's just a silly diversion. Post #411 was my serious post.

 

[46AND2]

ANYTHING could be explained in 25 words or less.

Awesome. Please explain Differential Equations to me, so I can save myself a bunch of time and money. I'm sure my university will accept your explanation in lieu of their curriculum. No? How about just the section on complex roots?