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Two points for you to reflect on:Too many question come up with the theory of evolution.
You will note from my signature that I describe myself as a Recalcitrant Procrastinating Ape. Can you demonstrate that it was my understanding that I am an ape that led to the negative characteristics of recalcitrance or procrastination.Oh,,,I don't believe we are apes.
I think this idea has hindered the growth of children that have been taught this.
There is no animal like the dung beetle. All animals are unique. My cat appears to believe she is at the apex of the evolutionary tree. I've found it best not to correct her.I think humanity is a special species and no other animal is like us.
No. We are arguing about it because some people mistakenly believe that if evolution is true it "disproves" God.We're aware of a higher power or we wouldn't be arguing about it.
Most Christians can accept that Genesis is an analogy.If we could find concrete proof that you were conceived by your parents, would that prove that God didn't make you? By the same argument, would concrete scientific evidence of the origin of the universe and of life prove that the universe wasn't created by God?
All that this concrete evidence would achieve would be to show that the creation stories in Genesis are not literally true, and most Christians, and probably most Jews, accept that already.
Hmmm. I don't think many questions have been answered or we wouldn't still be looking for answers.Two points for you to reflect on:
I would be interested to know what you consider to be the single most telling outstanding question.
- In my experience most of the questions that come up have been answered, often many decades ago, but the answers are at best unknown by Creationists, or at worst persistently ignored by them.
- Questions are the life blood of science. Without further questions science would just be a dead collection of facts, but science is not what is known, but about how we know it - the scientific method, in which questions are crucial.
LOL Wait let me get my dictionary!You will note from my signature that I describe myself as a Recalcitrant Procrastinating Ape. Can you demonstrate that it was my understanding that I am an ape that led to the negative characteristics of recalcitrance or procrastination.
I agree on both. I also do not argue with my cat...I find that agreement causes a much more pleasant relationship.There is no animal like the dung beetle. All animals are unique. My cat appears to believe she is at the apex of the evolutionary tree. I've found it best not to correct her.
IF evolution is true it does not disprove God....No. We are arguing about it because some people mistakenly believe that if evolution is true it "disproves" God.
I respectfully suggest you have not reflected properly on my remarks. The universe is a vastly complex place. We have learned a great deal about it, but we have so much more to learn - that is why there are still questions and why there will be questions for many millenia to come. To think otherwise you would have to ignore what we have already learned about the universe, disregard the complexity, fail to be inspired by those seeking to answer those questions and overlook the answers that have already been found.Hmmm. I don't think many questions have been answered or we wouldn't still be looking for answers..
That has been answered.My questions would be to understand how a fish could become a mammal.
And yet, presumably, you have no difficulty in accepting that a one celled organism can become a human being in nine months? (And the larger, evolutionary question you ask has also been answered.)How a one cell organism could become a human being.
We have a conscience because a sapient, sentient social species that lacked a conscience would not long survive. A conscience is essential to ensure a measure of altruistic behaviour is present.Why we have a conscience and rational thought and an interest in finding a God....how could we think up something that does not exist?
That is one of the really great unanswered questions. If I were closer to the beginning of my life than its end, then I might have a chance of seeing it answered.What is the mind?
Behaviour of a brain in shut-down mode.What are NDEs?
They have been and if you had chosen a single question to focus on, as I asked, rather than a somewhat discourteous Gish Gallop, I would have attempted to give you a fuller answer. Is that the question you want to focus on? Fish to mammal?Who knows if the questions in paragraph two could ever be answered.
I don't understand why you think this is important, but for the record scientists do not believe the universe came from absolutely nothing.If there could be concrete proof of how the universe was started...and that it came from absolutely nothing....Christianity would be in trouble,,,IMO.
Science never proves anything. Science either provides an explanation for observations that are superior to any other available explanation, or disproves candidate explanations.No solid proof of evolution.
Definitely an invitation to study the cosmos without resorting to "and then magic happened".Is this an invitation to study evolution?
There is no evidence that "things were created as they are". Indeed, it is quite the opposite.Things were created as they were and would reproduce themselves. No solid proof of evolution
It does not matter what one believes. It matters what one can support. I know that creationists do not like the fact that we are apes. The question is can they support that belief with valid arguments. Your questions about whether other animals can reason is a failed argument.Oh,,,I don't believe we are apes.
I think this idea has hindered the growth of children that have been taught this.
I think humanity is a special species and no other animal is like us.
We know we can get sick.
We know we are going to die.
We feel empathy (not compassion, animals can feel compassion).
We think about the after life.
We have a memory of important things that have happened in our lives.
We're aware of a higher power or we wouldn't be arguing about it.
A Christian can define SPIRIT,,,it's just that atheists do not accept it.
It is interesting to recall that when Joseph Stalin outlawed the theory of evolution, Soviet agriculture collapsed and millions starved.Definitely an invitation to study the cosmos without resorting to "and then magic happened".
Further, studying evolution has definite benefits which "and then magic happened" does not. It is the study of evolution, not creationism, that is taught at Wageningen University, the leading agricultural university in the world. It is the study of evolution, not creationism, that has any hope of feeding the world's burgeoning population. Creationism has NEVER produced anything of benefit to the human species. We can't learn anything productive from "and then magic happened". We don't understand "and then magic happened". We can't solve problems with "and then magic happened". We can't put "and then magic happened" to any useful purpose. "And then magic happened" has ALWAYS been an innovation killer.
It's a problem both ways.
It just seems easier to believe that God made everything.
If God is a first cause...then He always had to exist.
Both are difficult to understand...
That all this could come from nothing...
That all this was created by a being that always existed.
Science has plenty of answers for all sorts of "questions", but there is a certain segment of the world's population who refuse to accept the evidence in support of those answers. That's why these creationism "debate" forums exist.Hmmm. I don't think many questions have been answered or we wouldn't still be looking for answers.
And it also demonstrated that evolution is not "atheistic" . The Soviet Union was almost officially atheistic at that time, but communism was the ruling concept and evolution somehow appeared contrary to that philosophy according to those in charge.It is interesting to recall that when Joseph Stalin outlawed the theory of evolution, Soviet agriculture collapsed and millions starved.
That is Ray Comfort level ignorance. Sight evolved long before people existed. To propose that as a problem only tells us that you do not even have a middle school level of understanding of the concept. One cannot debate what one does not understand. And eye evolution is well understood.Looks like a great book! Will get it if I can.
I used to play a game with my brother in times past:
WHAT DID GOD CREATE FIRST?:
forks and knives (our fingers)
carpeting (grass)
and so many other things I can't even remember right now.
Eyes, as a telescope was one of them.
And I've always thought eyes disprove macroevolution.
What was happening to animals while eyes were being created? Were they totally blind? Did they begin to see in stages - a little at a time? Exactly how would that have worked?
And the same for ears....were all animals deaf at one time...
Too many question come up with the theory of evolution.
Definitely an invitation to study the cosmos without resorting to "and then magic happened".
Further, studying evolution has definite benefits which "and then magic happened" does not. It is the study of evolution, not creationism, that is taught at Wageningen University, the leading agricultural university in the world. It is the study of evolution, not creationism, that has any hope of feeding the world's burgeoning population. Creationism has NEVER produced anything of benefit to the human species. We can't learn anything productive from "and then magic happened". We don't understand "and then magic happened". We can't solve problems with "and then magic happened". We can't put "and then magic happened" to any useful purpose. "And then magic happened" has ALWAYS been an innovation killer.
Definitely an invitation to study the cosmos without resorting to "and then magic happened".
Further, studying evolution has definite benefits which "and then magic happened" does not. It is the study of evolution, not creationism, that is taught at Wageningen University, the leading agricultural university in the world. It is the study of evolution, not creationism, that has any hope of feeding the world's burgeoning population. Creationism has NEVER produced anything of benefit to the human species. We can't learn anything productive from "and then magic happened". We don't understand "and then magic happened". We can't solve problems with "and then magic happened". We can't put "and then magic happened" to any useful purpose. "And then magic happened" has ALWAYS been an innovation killer.
Definitely an invitation to study the cosmos without resorting to "and then magic happened".
Further, studying evolution has definite benefits which "and then magic happened" does not. It is the study of evolution, not creationism, that is taught at Wageningen University, the leading agricultural university in the world. It is the study of evolution, not creationism, that has any hope of feeding the world's burgeoning population. Creationism has NEVER produced anything of benefit to the human species. We can't learn anything productive from "and then magic happened". We don't understand "and then magic happened". We can't solve problems with "and then magic happened". We can't put "and then magic happened" to any useful purpose. "And then magic happened" has ALWAYS been an innovation killer.
The theory of evolution has real world applications. There do not seem to be any such applications for creationism.As an agnostic how would you know that?
I wasn't always an agnostic. I was raised Roman Catholic, so, yeah, I know a little something about "and then magic happens". I'm agnostic about the existence of God, but I definitely know that "and then magic happens" isn't the answer to anything.As an agnostic how would you know that?
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