What commandments is Jesus talking about?

[ace of hearts]

The reasoning is...it is a restatement of what is in the Torah

You offer nothing but a claim.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No one can buy (appease/obligate) God by keeping the law. The only way to the Father is through Jesus Christ the righteous. JN 14:6, 10:9

Who is saying anything different?????????

 

[ace of hearts]

If you believed Moses you would believe Me because he spoke of Me...pick apart this verse

I believe Moses. I don't reject Jesus.

You didn't provide a verse to pick apart. I did. If I'm in error you should easily show that.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You offer nothing but a claim.

I gave you scripture already, you just want and need to deny it

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I believe Moses. I don't reject Jesus.

Then you would agree with me

 

[BNR32FAN]

Sorry. Judaism as practiced isn't Christianity. There's no Jesus in Judaism. Jesus is indeed the Messiah of the Jews and the whole world, Who is rejected for various reasons.

Christianity is the proper understanding of Judaism. Judaism is the foretelling of Christianity.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

If you submit to the law for any reason you're submitting to being justified by the law and Jesus is of no effect for you. There's nothing in the NT requiring the keeping of the law for its participants.

That is because you do not understand the difference...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

There's no Jesus in Judaism. Jesus is indeed the Messiah of the Jews and the whole world, Who is rejected for various reasons.

Do you hear what you are saying?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

[ace of hearts]

That is taking one piece of the message and forming a doctrine but what about the beginning of the message in the beginning of the same chapter? Does this not teach that obedience is necessary to being a child of God before continuing on to verse 23?

“Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is. And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure. Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.”
‭‭1 JOHN‬ ‭3:2-10‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Where did you say it wasn't being obedient to God? Where does what you post claim obligation to the law?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Sorry. Judaism as practiced isn't Christianity. There's no Jesus in Judaism. Jesus is indeed the Messiah of the Jews and the whole world, Who is rejected for various reasons.

Your referring to the Jews that didn’t understand Judaism and rejected their own foretold Messiah. There is also the Messianic Jews who actually believe and understand Judaism the correct way.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Christianity is the proper understanding of Judaism. Judaism is the foretelling of Christianity.

I would say the belief in Yeshua is the continuation of Biblical Judaism...

 

[ace of hearts]

You seem to think that we obey God to receive salvation instead of because we honor and love Him. Can you say you truly love God if you disregard His commandments?

What I read you saying is one can't have salvation without being in compliance with the law (old covenant). I can't find anything in the NT indicating this.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I believe Moses. I don't reject Jesus.

You didn't provide a verse to pick apart. I did. If I'm in error you should easily show that.

I gave you His own words...it is not my problem you don't understand them

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

What I read you saying is one can't have salvation without being in compliance with the law (old covenant). I can't find anything in the NT indicating this.

No one has said that...that is your problem

 

[ace of hearts]

I gave you scripture already, you just want and need to deny it

Give the link.

 

[ace of hearts]

Then you would agree with me

Obviously I don't. I've read the complete Bible word for word. I don't find any obligation to keep the law for salvation or to maintain it. If you do I'd like you to post it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Where did you say it wasn't being obedient to God? Where does what you post claim obligation to the law?

I’ve never stated anything about obedience to the law as a requirement for salvation I said obedience to God’s commandments is a requirement. There’s a big difference. You still don’t seem to understand the difference between being justified and abiding in Christ. Just because someone is justified doesn’t mean they are always justified. It is possible to fall from grace as a result of not abiding. That’s exactly what’s explained in John 15:1-10

 

[ace of hearts]

Christianity is the proper understanding of Judaism. Judaism is the foretelling of Christianity.

One doesn't need to understand Judaism to understand the Gospel. I agree the OT is the foretelling of Christianity. That doesn't make Christianity Judaism.

 

[BNR32FAN]

What I read you saying is one can't have salvation without being in compliance with the law (old covenant). I can't find anything in the NT indicating this.

You still haven’t addressed Matthew 7:21-23

 

[ace of hearts]

That is because you do not understand the difference...

You obviously haven't explained the difference in a way I can understand.