What commandments is Jesus talking about?

Tone · Mar 30, 2019

Galatians 5:9
"A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough."

Sound familiar?

Matthew 16:6
"Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."

Halbhh · Mar 30, 2019

ace of hearts said:
What commandments is Jesus talking about in -

Jn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Every one he says in the gospels, which are all the ways of Loving-Obeying God our Father and loving one another.

It's every one, including both the do-not commands like do not judge, and the do commands like forgive seventy times seven, and forgive from the heart (that we will in turn be forgiven).

Halbhh · Mar 30, 2019

If we believe. Then we will listen to His words.

22Then came the Festival of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23and Jesus was in the temple courts walking in Solomon’s Colonnade. 24The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”

25Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”

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Wonderfully though, He helps us in faith -- and if we listen to Him, His words build faith and strengthen faith. He says we must (Matthew 7:24-27).

Tone · Mar 31, 2019

Revelation 14:12
"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."

Another question is:

What commandments is John talking about?

*What commandments is John talking about?

Tone · Mar 31, 2019

Luke 2:25-32
"Now there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon, and this man was righteous and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26 And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord's Christ. 27 And he came in the Spirit into the temple, and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him according to the custom of the Law, 28 he took him up in his arms and blessed God and said,

29 “Lord, now you are letting your servant depart in peace,
according to your word;
30 for my eyes have seen your salvation
31 that you have prepared in the presence of all peoples,
32 a light for revelation to the Gentiles,
and for glory to your people Israel.”

This man was righteous as he believed in Messiah and devout in his observance of the Law. There is no contradiction here.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Mar 31, 2019

Saint Steven said:
Does Sabbath make some people crabby?

No only some people do...

Yeshua HaDerekh · Mar 31, 2019

ace of hearts said:
Sorry but I'm not going out in public with a blindfold on. Looking is one thing desiring a physical connection is quite another. I simply don't want something that doesn't belong to me.

No one said you had to. I was just stating what it said.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Mar 31, 2019

Saint Steven said:
That's sounds like a misquote to me.

Of course it does...to you...

Yeshua HaDerekh · Mar 31, 2019

ace of hearts said:
It certainly does.

Don't blame your misunderstanding and rudeness on the Sabbath.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Mar 31, 2019

ace of hearts said:
On the contrary -

Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

There's more. This one is my all time favorite.

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Romans 7:12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Romans 7:22
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man.

Galatians 3:10-13

Those who rely on their works to justify them are under the curse of the law. Grace removes the curse.

Saint Steven · Mar 31, 2019

Tone said:
Hagar represents unbelief, not Torah. Ishmael represents the seed of the serpent, which is the enemy of the children of promise, represented by Isaac. The distinction that your passage addresses is unbelief versus belief, not "law versus grace". Did the Pharisees uphold Torah or the tradition of men?

Mark 7:9
"He said to them, “Well you reject the commandment of Elohim that you may establish your traditions.”

John 5:45
“But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set.

Saint Steven · Mar 31, 2019

ace of hearts said:
Please read the allegory in Gal 4 again.

I love the end of verse 29.

Galatians 4:21, 29, 31
21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? ...
29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. ...
31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Reminds me of this.

Galatians 3:2-3
I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

BABerean2 · Mar 31, 2019

Tone said:
Hagar represents unbelief, not Torah.

What does the text say?

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

What did Paul say below?

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

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ace of hearts · Mar 31, 2019

Tone said:
The gist of it is a plea from Paul to Galatians, to not revert to their former way of life, "when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods." (Galatians 4:8)

That not part of the allegory.

ace of hearts · Mar 31, 2019

Tone said:
Who are the two groups being addressed?

Galatians 6:4
"Each one should test their own actions. Then they can take pride in themselves alone, without comparing themselves to someone else,"

Outward religious appearance (like the Pharisees) of unbelievers.

Galatians 6:10
"Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers"

Galatians 6:12-13
"Those who want to impress people by means of the flesh are trying to compel you to be circumcised. The only reason they do this is to avoid being persecuted for the cross of Christ.Not even those who are circumcised keep the law, yet they want you to be circumcised ."

Outward religious appearance (like the Pharisees) of unbelievers.

Unbelievers and believers are being addressed.

Galatians 6:1
"Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted."

So the sin here is keeping Torah?

Galatians 5:24
"Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires."

Is this a passion and desire to keep Torah?

Did someone suggest keeping the law was sin? What does that have to do with the commandments of Jesus?

Since the letter is addressed to the churches of Galatia and the topic is the law, why do you think it addresses unbelievers who aren't part of the group?

Why do you ask? Didn't you read verses 1-23?

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

ace of hearts · Mar 31, 2019

Tone said:
Again I ask:

Did the Pharisees uphold Torah or the tradition of men?

Mark 7:9
"He said to them, “Well you reject the commandment of Elohim that you may establish your traditions.”

Don't these pharisees sound familiar. They were circumcised, yet, they didn't keep the Law. They were unbelievers who did everything for show. They were of the flesh, because they held to their traditions. They abandoned the Torah, and so they did not accept or recognize the Messiah, even as He stood right in front of them.

Tell us what is wrong with washing up before you eat. These people are accusing other of sin, because they didn't do what the controllers wanted. Here the Pharisees got way more than they bargained for. But since you're arguing for the traditions of the Jews, what does it have to do with the commandments of Jesus?

ace of hearts · Mar 31, 2019

Tone said:
Galatians 5:11
"Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished."

Paul formerly preached Pharisaism, when he did not believe in Messiah. He was of the cirumcision that held to traditions of men and not to Torah. The law he refers to is the oral law of Rabbinic Judaism.

So what. We're not discussing Paul in this thread. And specifically his past life as an unbeliever.

ace of hearts · Mar 31, 2019

Tone said:
Galatians 5:9
"A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough."

Sound familiar?

Matthew 16:6
"Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."

?

BNR32FAN · Mar 31, 2019

ace of hearts said:
What commandments is Jesus talking about in -

Jn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Love and honor God and love each other. He mentions this in verse 12-13.

“"This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends.”
‭‭JOHN‬ ‭15:12-13‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Look at Matthew 25:41-43 for example. Notice the reason the goats are condemned.

“"Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.'”
‭‭MATTHEW‬ ‭25:41-43‬ ‭NASB‬‬

These works or fruits are concerning love for others. The goats did not have love for others and did not bear fruit.

BNR32FAN · Mar 31, 2019

psalm911 said:
The commandments are all the commandments of Christ in the books of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. To say Christians need to keep the law of Moses is to say Christ did not fulfill the law when he died: all the law is fulfilled in this saying, you shall love your neighbor as your self: Greater love have no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

When a man is baptized into Christ, he is baptized into his resurrection. And so being in the person of Christ, he is dead to the law by the body of Christ that was crucified: then he is to fulfill the commandments of Christ in the person of Christ and Christ gets the glory.

The 10 commandments are not the law of Moses they are commandments of God given to Moses. Matthew 7:21-23 these people were believers who performed miracles in Jesus’ name but lived a sinful life. They did not abide in Christ and He did not abide in them.

What commandments is Jesus talking about?

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