Now you are applying motive where there is none.Yes, by killing people, not simply just having a wall but by killing those who tried to get around/over/under/through it.
You think that's the Christian way?
What country do you think is Christian?Yes, by killing people, not simply just having a wall but by killing those who tried to get around/over/under/through it.
You think that's the Christian way?
Well I think it's pretty clear that Jesus does not approve of what's happening in America right now in regards to the border policy. We can have closed borders and still treat people with dignity but we don't. America is not "good" as people think we are. And I'm not advocating for "open borders" (by the way, we HAVE "open borders", we do not have our borders CLOSED), I did say "it's fine to police the borders". I'm talking about mistreating people which is what we are doing to the point of destroying families and treating humans like animals as well as killing children. None of that seems to be any problem at all for you and the other Wall-lovers.Now you are applying motive where there is none.
Nations are sovereign because they have borders.
I’m not seeing your open borders position as Christian. In fact it’s allows for lawlessness to reign.
Armenia. What's your point? What's the relevance of Armenia to this? Armenia does have open borders and has taken in any Syrian refugee who goes there. Was that what you're driving at? Thanks for the example!What country do you think is Christian?
Indeed, murdering the unborn is not what a Christian nation would do. Since there are no "Christian nations around" it is par for the course that others abuse others to gain.Well I think it's pretty clear that Jesus does not approve of what's happening in America right now
Opinion noted.We can have closed borders and still treat people with dignity but we don't.
Again, the national self loathing opinion noted.America is not "good" as people think we are.
Indeed you are.And I'm not advocating for "open borders"
Without physical barriers was your position. Which means anyone can walk across the international boundary.I did say "it's fine to police the borders"
No one is killing children and the conditions on our side of the border is the best among nations.I'm talking about mistreating people which is what we are doing to the point of destroying families and treating humans like animals as well as killing children.
Your tired rhetorical propaganda is no problem for me and others who believe sovereign nations have a right to protect themselves.None of that seems to be any problem at all for you and the other Wall-lovers.
Indeed as history shows every empire rolled into and over Armenia.Armenia does have open borders
Don't misquote me by taking what I said out of context. I'm not talking about the unborn (although that is a problem in this country as well). I'm talking about the handling of "illegal immigration". You couldn't respond to what I said so you distorted what I said by partially quoting me to take my words out of context. That's pathetic and disingenuous and shows what kind of (lack of) character you have.Indeed, murdering the unborn is not what a Christian nation would do. Since there are no "Christian nations around" it is par for the course that others abuse others to gain.
Funny how a Christian assessment of America is taken to be "self-loathing" by people who worship America. Actually not funny, but said. And unfortunately, predictable. The idol of America is guarded by her worshipers at all costs, even if it means going against God's Word.Again, the national self loathing opinion noted.
You obviously have reading comprehension problems.Indeed you are.
No, not "without physical barriers". There already ARE physical barriers and there will be more to come. I'm addressing the massive "wall" (fence? who can keep up with the ever-changing nonsense?) that costs way too much and intends to harm people rather than actually address any illegal immigration problem.Without physical barriers was your position. Which means anyone can walk across the international boundary.
LOL, tell that to the parents of the two kids who died due to the neglect of our thugs who were watching them while they had them in cages. "best among nations"? LOL, cages for people, including all children, like they're animals. Wow. You sound so proud!!! I'd ask you what you think Jesus thinks about that but I think your position on what Jesus thinks is very clear by now. America first, right?No one is killing children and the conditions on our side of the border is the best among nations.
Sorry if I put God's Word higher than America. Man cannot serve two masters, so I choose God.Your tired rhetorical propaganda is no problem for me and others who believe sovereign nations have a right to protect themselves.
They only become evil when people fixate on them as part of a larger scheme to harm people rather than address a problem that needs to be fixed. That's what you people are doing right now. The driving force behind it is America worship which is at an all-time high now that Trump is in power. All of a sudden God's Word is out the window to accommodate the thrice-divorced adulterous president who boldly claims he doesn't need to ask God for forgiveness. Have fun with your president!There is nothing wrong with physical barriers in general. They only become evil when Republicans (or Trump specifically) advocate them.
Yes it's illegal which means against the standing law. I'm glad we can come to an agreement of obvious terms.I'm talking about the handling of "illegal immigration".
Well sometimes a wake up call is needed when some are cavalier on the use of propaganda or talking points.You couldn't respond to what I said so you distorted what I said by partially quoting me to take my words out of context. That's pathetic and disingenuous and shows what kind of (lack of) character you have.
Break the idol and go home to Armenia. No one is stopping you.The idol of America is guarded by her worshipers at all costs, even if it means going against God's Word.
Walls only harm people who climb them and fall and hurt themselves.No, not "without physical barriers". There already ARE physical barriers and there will be more to come. I'm addressing the massive "wall" (fence? who can keep up with the ever-changing nonsense?) that costs way too much and intends to harm people rather than actually address any illegal immigration problem.
They were in cages? Where's the proof of that? What of the parents dragging them thousands of miles over dangerous terrain, highway robbers, rapists, human traffickers and more? Please stop blaming the people trying to remedy the problem instead of the ones creating it.LOL, tell that to the parents of the two kids who died due to the neglect of our thugs who were watching them while they had them in cages.
Yeah have not seen one quote from Scriptures so the usual SJW version of the 'gospel' reindeer games no play here.Sorry if I put God's Word higher than America.
They only become evil when people fixate on them as part of a larger scheme to harm people rather than address a problem that needs to be fixed.
How about one of these?
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Way better. Forts every half-mile or so. Highway on top. Crenelated battlements. A big beautiful wall.
Didn't work, of course. But it's amazing.
For one thing, US and International Law dictate that noncitizens arriving at our borders have a right to apply for asylum and other forms of protection, yet Trump is having them turned away without affording them that right, and that's why he's already being sued for this.Yes it's illegal which means against the standing law. I'm glad we can come to an agreement of obvious terms.
When you can only give "a wake up call" by lying (i.e. distorting and misrepresenting what someone else said) then you clearly have nothing rational to stand on. But at least you're proving that to everyone. Of course, you never meant to send a "wake up call" - you just wanted to lie in an effort to deflect and dodge the issue.Well sometimes a wake up call is needed when some are cavalier on the use of propaganda or talking points.
I've broken the idol which is why I don't worship America. You're the one who needs to break the idol. As for Armenia, that's not my home - I was born and raised in New Jersey, which makes me more American than you!Break the idol and go home to Armenia. No one is stopping you.
Walls also harm the people whose money is being misappropriated towards their construction. You and the other wall supporters are basically saying that it's more important to spend billions on a wall or fence instead of feeding the poor, starving children right here in our country (much less around the world) or helping our veterans get the care they need. Again, that's not the right priority for people who follow Christian teachings from God's Word.Walls only harm people who climb them and fall and hurt themselves.
Yes, they are put into cagesThey were in cages? Where's the proof of that? What of the parents dragging them thousands of miles over dangerous terrain, highway robbers, rapists, human traffickers and more? Please stop blaming the people trying to remedy the problem instead of the ones creating it.
I should have realized that you need the quotes from Scripture, so that's my fault. For a brief moment I thought you were familiar with Scripture but thanks for reminding me that you aren't, so here is Scripture about how to treat people:Yeah have not seen one quote from Scriptures so the usual SJW version of the 'gospel' reindeer games no play here.
OK, if you say so!Again, only when Republicans call for security is it "un_Christian" and oppressive.
And an even larger problem are greedy, predatory countries like America which impose conditions on people in the world that make those people live in horrible conditions to the point of becoming enslaved, sick and dying or being killed.But I would agree the larger problem are failed states like Venezuela, Honduras, El Salvador and a few others on the brink of failure.
Who says they are being turned away? You mean the rock throwers?For one thing, US and International Law dictate that noncitizens arriving at our borders have a right to apply for asylum and other forms of protection, yet Trump is having them turned away without affording them that right, and that's why he's already being sued for this.
No one is being oppressed. I'm sure if foreigners started throwing rocks at Joshua and his men they would not be welcome.I should have realized that you need the quotes from Scripture, so that's my fault. For a brief moment I thought you were familiar with Scripture but thanks for reminding me that you aren't, so here is Scripture about how to treat people:
Exodus 22:21 “Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt.
Exodus 23:9
“Do not oppress a foreigner; you yourselves know how it feels to be foreigners, because you were foreigners in Egypt.
Here, educate yourself on this a little:Who says they are being turned away? You mean the rock throwers?
So all of them are throwing rocks? Prove it. (HINT: You can't, but I'd like to see you try, I could use a good laugh)No one is being oppressed. I'm sure if foreigners started throwing rocks at Joshua and his men they would not be welcome.
Title is deceptive. The proclamation was for those who try to enter other than official crossing sites.Here, educate yourself on this a little:
Asylum Seekers Being Turned Away No Matter Where They Cross the Border
Not all of them throwing rocks. You made that up. I asked even the ones throwing rocks.So all of them are throwing rocks? Prove it. (HINT: You can't, but I'd like to see you try, I could use a good laugh)
Thank you for admitting they are not throwing rocks.Not all of them throwing rocks. You made that up. I asked even the ones throwing rocks.
Thanks for admitting that "the proclamation was for those who try to enter other than official crossing sites" because in doing so you're admitting that the proclamation was to ILLEGALLY turn them away. It doesn't matter where they enter, they do NOT have to enter at a designated port of entry or "official crossing sites" (a term you made up), they can enter ANYWHERE and ask for asylum and by our own law they cannot be turned away.Title is deceptive. The proclamation was for those who try to enter other than official crossing sites.
They can sue, and are, but when you have no capacity to process even those who come to the border the executive branch can deem necessary means. The courts will support the executive branch on this.
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