What Colossians camp are you in?

[maco]

Colossians 2:16-17 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

1. This camp will read the above verses and say all sabbaths, including the seventh day Sabbath, as well as, all the feast days, food and drink offerings have been done away with by the cross.

2. This camp will read the above verses and say all the sabbaths, feast days, food and drink offerings are still alive and well but we are not allowed to judge anyone by how they celebrate them.

3. This camp will read the above verses and say the sabbaths that were instituted as a result of sin, which include all the food and drink offerings and all the feast days ended at the cross but this does not include the celebration of the seventh day Sabbath.

What camp are you in and why?

Please keep your reason and support short and simple.

 

[stinsonmarri]

1. This camp will read the above verses and say all sabbaths, including the seventh day Sabbath, as well as, all the feast days, food and drink offerings have been done away with by the cross. Which are a shadow of things to come - Does these words have a new meaning now?

2. This camp will read the above verses and say all the sabbaths, feast days, food and drink offerings are still alive and well but we are not allowed to judge anyone by how they celebrate them. All what Sabbath I only know of on are THE SABBATHS- the is specific

3. This camp will read the above verses and say the sabbaths that were instituted as a result of sin, which include all the food and drink offerings and all the feast days ended at the cross but this does not include the celebration of the seventh day Sabbath. Provide that verse to me where is it? Where is the word cross in Cols 16, 17?

What camp are you in and why? Well I do not know about a camp but I choose to obey ELOHIM and do what Paul clearly said:

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from HIM that called you into the grace of the MESSIAH unto another Gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the Gospel of the MESSIAH. But though we, or an angel from Heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or ELOHIM? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of the MESSIAH. But I certify you, brethren, that the Gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the Revelation of YAHSHAU the MESSIAH . Gal 1:6-12

If you can show me what YAHSHUA said only not Paul because he said don't believe anything that he preach against what YAHSHAU gave as Gospel. Matt 26: 17; Mark 2:27-28; John 14:10, 15, 24, 26, 31

Happy Sabbath

 

[David Conklin]

None of the above. See A Study on Col. 2:16-17

 

[stinsonmarri]

Typical of you David when you cannot provide an answer. Use your Bible software and defend the Bible as you do EGW!

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

[maco]

1. This camp will read the above verses and say all sabbaths, including the seventh day Sabbath, as well as, all the feast days, food and drink offerings have been done away with by the cross. Which are a shadow of things to come - Does these words have a new meaning now?

2. This camp will read the above verses and say all the sabbaths, feast days, food and drink offerings are still alive and well but we are not allowed to judge anyone by how they celebrate them. All what Sabbath I only know of on are THE SABBATHS- the is specific

3. This camp will read the above verses and say the sabbaths that were instituted as a result of sin, which include all the food and drink offerings and all the feast days ended at the cross but this does not include the celebration of the seventh day Sabbath. Provide that verse to me where is it? Where is the word cross in Cols 16, 17?

What camp are you in and why? Well I do not know about a camp but I choose to obey ELOHIM and do what Paul clearly said:

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from HIM that called you into the grace of the MESSIAH unto another Gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the Gospel of the MESSIAH. But though we, or an angel from Heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or ELOHIM? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of the MESSIAH. But I certify you, brethren, that the Gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the Revelation of YAHSHAU the MESSIAH . Gal 1:6-12

If you can show me what YAHSHUA said only not Paul because he said don't believe anything that he preach against what YAHSHAU gave as Gospel. Matt 26: 17; Mark 2:27-28; John 14:10, 15, 24, 26, 31

Happy Sabbath

You lost me on this one... Are 1. 2. or 3. and why?

 

[maco]

None of the above. See A Study on Col. 2:16-17

Not sure what your conclusion is. Is there a 4th camp somewhere floating around in your study of Col.2:16-17?

In short, what camp are you in and why?

 

[stinsonmarri]

maco:

Paul did not preach or teach what you and others are saying about Col 2:16, 17 at all. He kept them after the death and resurrection of the SAVIOR! Why would Paul teach against observing the Holy Days when he was himself a devoted Holy Appointed Set Times keeper? This is not an indictment against these Holy Appointed Set Times celebrations but a caution about judgmental attitudes. Where does the Bible record such teaching?


And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. Act 2:1

And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of Unleavened Bread.) Act 12:3

And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of Unleavened Bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days. For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost. Act 20:6, 16

But I will tarry at Ephesus until Pentecost. 1Co 16:8

Even in the OT it shows that these Holy Appointed Set Times was futuristic!

And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, YAHWEH of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And it shall be that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the YAHWEH of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the YAHWEH will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. Zechariah 14:16-19

As a Biblical Historian there are available historical records that also proves that the Gentiles (Indo-Europeans), were keeping them but creeping pagans customs begin to creep in.

According to Encyclopedia Britannica, There is no trace of the celebration of Easter as a Christian festival in the New Testament or the writings of the apostolic fathers…The first Christians…continued to observe the Jewish festivals…as commemorations of events of which these had been the shadows.

On down through history, groups have appeared on the scene who recognized the need to observe God's Holy Days. During the 12th and 13th centuries a sect known as the Passagii were the most concrete example of Judaic-Christianity to come on the scene. . .They kept the holy days and the dietary laws, but not the sacrificial system. They accepted the New Testament and made it their aim to harmonize the old and new dispensations. They kept the Sabbath along with other Sabbatarian groups in Hungary and in other lands. They were also located in southern France. (Jewish Influence on Christian Reform Movements, by Louis Israel Newman, 255–284)

Edersheim also points out that this is clearly seen in the book of Acts. Gentiles attended these synagogues wherever they were located around the world. Gentile converts joined in Sabbath observance, weekly fasts, the Day of Atonement, laws relating to food, and even made pilgrimages to Jerusalem. It was in these synagogues on the Sabbath and these Holy Appointed Set Times that the same Scriptures were read around the world.
There is so much evidence however you must realize that even the writers themselves misquoted calling it the Mosaic law. These were given by YAHWEH and not Moses but many writers would have you to believe this as well. Plus Nazarenes versus the Christians caused a separation and the Christians changed everything. There is a lot to what happen and there is proof but you must read the history books for the truth along with the facts in the Bible!

Blessing,
stinsonmarri

 

[maco]

maco:

Paul did not preach or teach what you and others are saying about Col 2:16, 17 at all. He kept them after the death and resurrection of the SAVIOR! Why would Paul teach against observing the Holy Days when he was himself a devoted Holy Appointed Set Times keeper? This is not an indictment against these Holy Appointed Set Times celebrations but a caution about judgmental attitudes. Where does the Bible record such teaching?

Blessing,
stinsonmarri

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(1 Corinthians 9:20-21) - [/FONT]To the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law; to those who are without law, as without law(not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law.

Paul was not referring to God's Law found in the Ten Commandments, as some people have been taught. In other words, Paul was not saying, "I will become as those who are without the law by committing adultery, lying, stealing and murdering so that I might win them". This is not what Paul was saying. What Paul was referring to here is the ceremonial law pertaining to the feast days, which were instituted after sin entered into the world. They were to be used as shadows or pictures to teach us about God's salvation plan. Jesus, as the substance and fulfillment of the shadows, brought a change to the ceremonial law. This was a new thing for the Jewish community to understand and accept. Paul understood this but he didn't let this new freedom from the ceremonial law stop him from celebrating the feast days with his Jewish brethren. Paul understood his ministry to the lost so he lived his life in such a way as to reach them. To those who were still living under the ceremonial law, he too would live as being under the law. He did this by celebrating the feast days just as they did. To those who were outside of the law, such as the Gentiles, he would not celebrate the feast days. His motive for both reasons was to reach and win both, Jews and Gentiles, to Christ.

 

[stinsonmarri]

maco:

I will continue to repeat this ceremony or ceremonial is not in the Bible. All of you are making this up. Second there are two laws. One is YAHWEH'S Law divided into two parts my friend also notice the Holy Appointed Set Times are mentioned!

And YAHWEH said unto Moses, Come up to ME into the Mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a Law, and Commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them. Ex 24:12

And Joshua wrote these words in the Book of the Law of ELOHIM, and took a great stone, and set it up there under an oak, that was by the Sanctuary of YAHWEH. Jos 24:26

So they read in the Book of the Law of ELOHIM distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading. Also day by day, from the first day unto the last day, he read in the Book of the Law of Law of ELOHIM. And they kept the feast (Holy Appointed Set Times) seven days; and on the eighth day was a solemn assembly, according unto the manner. Neh 8:8, 18

And the rest of the people, the priests, the Levites, the porters, the singers, the Nethinims, and all they that had separated themselves from the people of the lands unto the Law of ELOHIM, their wives, their sons, and their daughters, every one having knowledge, and having understanding; Neh 10:28

For I delight in the Law of ELOHIM after the inward man: Rom 7:22

I thank ELOHIM through YAHSHUA the MESSIAH our MASTER. So then with the mind I myself serve the Law of ELOHIM; but with the flesh the law of sin. Rom_7:25

Because the carnal mind is enmity against ELOHIM: for it is not subject to the Law of ELOHIM, neither indeed can be. Rom 8:7

YAHWEH'S Law is also all called the Book of the Covenant:

And he took the the Book of the Covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that YAHWEH hath said will we do, and be obedient. Ex 24:7

And the king went up into the House of YAHWEH, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and he read in their ears all the words of the the Book of the Covenant which was found in the House of YAHWEH. 2Ki 23:2

And the king went up into the House of YAHWEH, and all the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the priests, and the Levites, and all the people, great and small: and he read in their ears all the words of the the Book of the Covenant that was found in the House of YAHWEH. 2Ch 34:30

Also ELOHIM'S Law and Commandments were called Testamony and they were place under the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant and these Law and Commandment were both Holy Just and Good:

And the priests brought in the Ark of the Covenant of YAHWEH unto his place, to the oracle of the House, into the MOST HOLY PLACE, even under the wings of the cherubims: 2Ch 5:7

Which had the golden censer, and the Ark of the Covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the Tables of the Covenant; Heb 9:4

And thou shalt put into the Ark the Testimony which I shall give thee. Ex 25:16

To the Law and to the Testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isa_8:20

Wherefore the Law is holy, and the Commandment Holy, and Just, and Good. Rom 7:12

The law that Moses wrote was placed on the side of the Ark of the Covenant and called either law of Moses or the book of Moses. If you notice that instructions of only the sacrficial offerings are given and not the Holy Appointed Set Times at all!

As Moses the servant of YAHWEH commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto YAHWEH, and sacrificed peace offerings. Jos 8:31

And they stood in their place after their manner, according to the law of Moses the man of ELOHIM: the priests sprinkled the blood, which they received of the hand of the Levites. 2Ch 30:16

Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and his brethren, and builded the altar of ELOHIM of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon, as it is written in the law of Moses the man of ELOHIM. Ezr 3:2

Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of ELOHIM, because we have sinned against him. Dan 9:11

And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the MASTER; Luke 2:22

And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Act 13:39

And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto YAHWEH, as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen. 2Ch35:12

And they set the priests in their divisions, and the Levites in their courses, for the service of ELOHIM, which is at Jerusalem; as it is written in the book of Moses. Ezr 6:18

All of you can try hard as you can but you cannot blend these two Systems of Laws together. ELOHIM'S Law and Commandment included Holy Appointed Set Time which includes the Holy Sabbath and these Statues all fall under the outline of that Command and they were written and spoken of only with those Law and Commandments.

Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest: that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed. Three times thou shalt keep a feast (Holy Appointed Set Time) unto me in the year. Thou shalt keep the feast (Holy Appointed Set Time) of Uunleavened Bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before ME empty And the feast (Holy Appointed Set Time) of Harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast (Holy Appointed Set Time) of Ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field. Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before YAHWEH ELOHIM. Exo 23:12, 14-17

The feast (Holy Appointed Set Time) of Unleavened Bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt. Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest. And thou shalt observe the feast (Holy Appointed Set Time) of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of Ingathering at the year's end. Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before YAHWEH ELOHIM, the ELOHIM of Israel. For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before YAHWEH thy ELOHIM thrice in the year. Ex 34:18, 21-24

Finally, I will keep saying the handwritten law Paul was talking about first were Moses and these were nailed to the Savior tree not the Law and Commandments of ELOHIM. They contain the Holy Appointed Set Times!

Blessing,
stinsonmarri

 

[Castaway57]

maco:

I will continue to repeat this ceremony or ceremonial is not in the Bible.

Finally, I will keep saying the handwritten law Paul was talking about first were Moses and these were nailed to the Savior tree not the Law and Commandments of ELOHIM. They contain the Holy Appointed Set Times!

Blessing,
stinsonmarri

The phrase "Savior tree" certainly is not in the Bible either. Do you not follow your own rules?

 

[Martinman]

This is a very important topic that is so necessary for all to understand.
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All of us are able to understand that a shadow needs a substance in order to exist, otherwise there would be no shadow; a shadow represents the object that is causing it. All 12 of the “shadow” Sabbaths listed in the KJV of the Bible in Leviticus 23 are shadows of, or represent actual seventh-day Sabbaths and demonstrate where the actual Holy seventh-day Sabbath will occur in relation to the events in the plan of salvation in the year of the fulfillment of the annual festivals.
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The insinuation that the “shadow” Sabbaths in Colossians 2:16,17 include the Holy seventh day Sabbath is not logical as the Holy seventh-day Sabbath is not a shadow or a type of anything.
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“The Sabbath was committed to Adam, the father and representative of the whole human family. Its observance was to be an act of grateful acknowledgment, on the part of all who should dwell upon the earth, that God was their creator and their rightful sovereign; that they were the work of His hands, and the subjects of His authority. Thus the institution was wholly commemorative, and given to all mankind. There was nothing in it shadowy, or of restricted application to any people.” FLB 32
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Since the “shadow” Sabbaths are scheduled from the new moon of the first and seventh months, the fact remains that whenever the new moon happens to fall on a seventh-day Sabbath all the “shadow” Sabbaths calculated from that new moon also fall on seventh-day Sabbaths. This applies to all of the “shadow” Sabbaths within the annual festivals including the Day of Atonement, the 10th day of the 7th month.
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An unstudied person of the sanctuary topic might conclude that this is ridiculous, but the main fulfillment of the fall festivals is scheduled to take place in the Sabbath year, demonstrated by the requirements of the extra special ceremonies that were to be performed every Sabbath Year (Deuteronomy 31:10-13). The Day of Atonement, however, is the only annual festival with extra special significance in both the Sabbath year and in the year of Jubilee.
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When the new moon of the seventh month of the seventh Sabbath year occurs on a seventh-day Sabbath, then the Day of Atonement of the next year, the Jubilee year, always occurs on a seventh-day Sabbath. Thus, all 4 of the “shadow” Sabbaths in the fall feasts will fulfill on Holy seventh-day Sabbaths, just as the 8 “shadow: Sabbaths in the spring feasts fell on Holy seventh-day Sabbaths when Christ interpreted them by His fulfillment of them in 31 C.E., the year of the crucifixion. (This is not meant to diminish in any measure the prophetic fulfillment of the Day of Atonement, Tuesday, October 22, 1844, the end of the prophetic fulfillment of the 2300-day prophecy.)
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This is just a little taste of the glorious mysteries surrounding God's plan of salvation.
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[maco]

Good points...

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath not the fulfillment of the Sabbath. The word (THE) indicates a literal day which Jesus is Lord of. The seventh day of creation is more than a shadow, it's a memorial protected by God's Law.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Shadows lose their value once you see what's producing the shadow but a memorial gains value once you see what it's memorializing. [/FONT]

 

[stinsonmarri]

Here's a new one the Holy Appointed Set Times are shadows! Wow! Another made up name which is not in the Bible. Can anyone read it said "Which are shadows of things to HELLO-COME, BUT THE BODY IS OF YAHSHUA." There are 73 verses that uses the word shadow and none of them relates to ELOHIM'S Holy Appointed Set Times!

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

[maco]

Here's a new one the Holy Appointed Set Times are shadows! Wow! Another made up name which is not in the Bible. Can anyone read it said "Which are shadows of things to HELLO-COME, BUT THE BODY IS OF YAHSHUA." There are 73 verses that uses the word shadow and none of them relates to ELOHIM'S Holy Appointed Set Times!

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

They are a shadow of things to come but the reality is Jesus. Because of this, don't judge anyone in how they keep the shadows or even if they keep them. This is what we find in the teachings of Paul.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](1 Corinthians 9:20-21) - [/FONT]To the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law; to those who are without law, as without law(not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law.

Paul was not referring to God's Law found in the Ten Commandments, as some people have been taught. In other words, Paul was not saying, "I will become as those who are without the law by committing adultery, lying, stealing and murdering so that I might win them". This is not what Paul was saying. What Paul was referring to here is the ceremonial law pertaining to the feast days, which were instituted after sin entered into the world. They were to be used as shadows or pictures to teach us about God's salvation plan. Jesus, as the substance and fulfillment of the shadows, brought a change to the ceremonial law. This was a new thing for the Jewish community to understand and accept. Paul understood this but he didn't let this new freedom from the ceremonial law stop him from celebrating the feast days with his Jewish brethren. Paul understood his ministry to the lost so he lived his life in such a way as to reach them. To those who were still living under the ceremonial law, he too would live as being under the law. He did this by celebrating the feast days just as they did. To those who were outside of the law, such as the Gentiles, he would not celebrate the feast days. His motive for both reasons was to reach and win both, Jews and Gentiles, to Christ.

 

[Martinman]

Good points...

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath not the fulfillment of the Sabbath. The word (THE) indicates a literal day which Jesus is Lord of. The seventh day of creation is more than a shadow, it's a memorial protected by God's Law.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Shadows lose their value once you see what's producing the shadow but a memorial gains value once you see what it's memorializing. [/FONT]

Yes that is my point exactly, you are right in in your statement.​

 

[Castaway57]

Here's a new one the Holy Appointed Set Times are shadows! Wow! Another made up name which is not in the Bible. Can anyone read it said "Which are shadows of things to HELLO-COME, BUT THE BODY IS OF YAHSHUA." There are 73 verses that uses the word shadow and none of them relates to ELOHIM'S Holy Appointed Set Times!

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

The phrase "holy, appointed, set times," is also NOT in the Bible. Not even once. Atleast not in the KJV.

 

[stinsonmarri]

The phrase "holy, appointed, set times," is also NOT in the Bible. Not even once. Atleast not in the KJV.

Moed: properly an appointment, that is, a fixed time or season; specifically a festival; conventionally a year; by implication, an assembly (as convened for a definite purpose); technically the congregation. . . Strong Dictionary

Mira: something called out, that is, a public meeting. . .Strong Dictionary

Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts (Moed) of YAHWEH, which ye shall proclaim to be Holy Convocations (Miqra), even these are MY feasts (Moed).Lev 23:2

Let me make this very clear to everyone, I do not use words that are not found in the original meaning of the Ancient Hebrew word. I provide its meaning but ceremonial is not in any meaning of any Hebrew word ok!

I do not play around with the Bible because I do not want to be curse at all!!!!! I am only going to provide you with what a word actually mean and not any supposition, metaphors or any other such unfounded ideology. I do not interpret the Bible it stands on its own merits it does not need help from anyone. The problem is the difference between understanding and interpretation, I read and understand. If the Bible tells me YAHWEH says MY or MINE than I understand it to be HIS not a Jew or Jews. Many of you do not and when I read a woman riding a beast and she is called the harlot than she is not the beast-simple to me. If I read that, you think you are rich then that means you only think it but you really are not rich. If the Bibles say, "which are shadows to come" then it means what was mention earlier to things to come. I do not see that those things were taken out of the way because Paul did not say that. He said what were taken out of the way were handwritten rules. I read what was handwritten in the Bible. YAHWEH told Moses to write things down and place them on the side of the Ark of the Covenant. My mother always told me that understanding is the best thing in the world. It has certainly helped me over the years! I am real, plain and simple. I am here to lead you back to the Bible and see for yourself, how plain and simple it is.

Finally, I am going to stand on the principles of the MOST HIGH and I a sinner who has been changed by HIS SON'S RIGHTEOUSNESS has help me. Through the Power of the HOLY SPIRIT who shows all who diligently with a humble heart to seek truth. I've found it and I am keeping it until I die or be translated!

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

 

[Castaway57]

Moed: properly an appointment, that is, a fixed time or season; specifically a festival; conventionally a year; by implication, an assembly (as convened for a definite purpose); technically the congregation. . . Strong Dictionary

Mira: something called out, that is, a public meeting. . .Strong Dictionary

Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts (Moed) of YAHWEH, which ye shall proclaim to be Holy Convocations (Miqra), even these are MY feasts (Moed).Lev 23:2

Let me make this very clear to everyone, I do not use words that are not found in the original meaning of the Ancient Hebrew word. I provide its meaning but ceremonial is not in any meaning of any Hebrew word ok!
stinsonmarri

Nowhere is the phrase "holy appointed se t times" used in this text or any where else in the Bible. Your explanation for why it's OK for you to "interpret" the meaning of the word "feasts" here to mean the same thing as "holy appointed set times" is really stretching it at best. here is the Strong's explanation for that word "feast", most of which you left out:

mô‛êd mô‛êd mô‛âdâh
mo-ade', mo-ade', mo-aw-daw'
From H3259; properly an appointment, that is, a fixed time or season; specifically a festival; conventionally a year; by implication, an assembly (as convened for a definite purpose); technically the congregation; by extension, the place of meeting; also a signal (as appointed beforehand): - appointed (sign, time), (place of, solemn) assembly, congregation, (set, solemn) feast, (appointed, due) season, solemn (-ity), synagogue, (set) time (appointed).

The point to be made here is that it is not really wrong to use a word that is not in the actual text, as long as it does not deny the meaning of the text, and there is nothing wrong with use of the word "ceremonial" in describing the various types of laws we find in the Bible; just as it's not wrong to use phrases "holy appointed set times" as long as we dont try to deny the meaning of the scripture we are talking about. This is atleast the fourth thread now where you are spamming us with your ideology about this, and it is important for people to see the differences between what Adventists teach and what they do not. You may think you are "teaching us the truth;" and my response will not address that right now; I am simply stating that you are teaching things about these feast days and sabbath days that Adventists do not teach.

 

[Castaway57]

There are many "appointed" things from the OT sanctuary system and services. This is a good observation to make. However, this observation in no way makes them something other than the types or shadows, as they have been described in the Bible.

There are some things that are not types or shadows and these are rightly still binding on Christians today.

 

[David Conklin]

Typical of you David when you cannot provide an answer. Use your Bible software and defend the Bible as you do EGW!

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

1) I don't defend EGW--I expose those who lie either by commission or omission.

2) If you had looked at the link that was given (A Study on Col. 2:16-17) you would have found plenty of biblical proof.

3) I also don't need to hide my identity.