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What christian sect would i belong to?

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I have been very interested in Christianity, I may convert in the future, I was wondering, from the information i'm about to give you below, what christian sect best represents my beliefs?

There are "Essential Doctrines" that I have based my truth seeking on in search of "God" and here they are...

Men and women are completely equal

All races are equal

Same sex attraction is natural, animals and humans have done it since the beginning of creation, therefore LGBT's should be given equal rights (not once did jesus mention homosexuality, and marriage is not just a "christian" union)

Has respect for other religions

Mankind has free will (no predestination)

Science is not evil or wrong, and the "True" religion MUST be compatible
with it (although it can be wrong at times, it usually fixes itself later)

"God" cannot "know" the future (if he did, then whats the point in creation? it'd be like watching a bad movie over and over again, you know it sucks and whats going to happen, so why bother?), He may however with full knowledge of past and present, make a VERY educated guess as to what will happen in the future.

These are MY beliefs, im not debating any of these, im merely asking if there is a church or denomination that holds these same views or a large majority of them.
 

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Here's the deal: We all have an illness and Christ is the Great Physician. The difference between those in the Church and everyone else is that we are getting treatment and receiving medicine for our illness.

There is essentially no difference in searching for a sect in the way that you are doing and making your own religion with your own god, except that someone else beat you to the punch. It appears that you want something easy and truth doesn't seem to come into the equation here. We all want to make God over in our own image instead of conforming to His. There is the truth and varying degrees of deviation from it which, while it is nice and all that some groups have retained some elements of the truth, doesn't make the rest of their beliefs any less false.

When one becomes a believer and wants to follow Christ, they have to be willing to give up even those things that they don't necessarily wish to sometimes. It would have been so much easier for me to hold onto certain beliefs myself, but I couldn't do that when I came to a knowledge of the truth.

Being an Orthodox Christian isn't easy. It certainly isn't easy for me to realize that I'm a sinner in need of repentance. It isn't easy to attempt to humble myself, fast, adhere to a prayer rule, get up to go to Divine Liturgy on Sundays, confess my sins, etc. However, it is what I need to do. I need the medicine of immortality. I need Christ's Holy Church.

Best of luck to you. May God continue to guide you to Himself.
 
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Men and women are completely equal

We are all one in Christ.

Galations 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

All races are equal

See above.


Same sex attraction is natural, animals and humans have done it since the beginning of creation, therefore LGBT's should be given equal rights (not once did jesus mention homosexuality, and marriage is not just a "christian" union)

Marriage is a sacrament of the Church. However, people are free to not be part of the Church and believe and do as they like.


Has respect for other religions

In that other people are allowed to believe as they will, yes. However, we will not compromise the truth.

Mankind has free will (no predestination)

Yes.

Science is not evil or wrong, and the "True" religion MUST be compatible
with it (although it can be wrong at times, it usually fixes itself later)


The Scriptures were never meant to be a scientific account. They were meant to proclaim our salvation through Christ in the NT and proclaim the coming of our salvation in the OT (which show types and anti-types of Christ). Science isn't something to be feared. However, Christians should always keep ethics in mind when it comes to science.


"God" cannot "know" the future (if he did, then whats the point in creation? it'd be like watching a bad movie over and over again, you know it sucks and whats going to happen, so why bother?), He may however with full knowledge of past and present, make a VERY educated guess as to what will happen in the future.

Eh? Everyone was created to commune with God. That is our purpose. We all have the potential to attain theosis.
 
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Men and women are completely equal
We are told that Men and women are indeed completely equal, we just full fill different roles.

Same sex attraction is natural, animals and humans have done it since the beginning of creation, therefore LGBT's should be given equal rights (not once did Jesus mention homosexuality, and marriage is not just a "christian" union)
Same sex attraction is perfectly natural, but that's the problem. What is natural is not always righteous/Holy (In God's expressed will.) If anything is not in God's expressed will it is to be considered a sin. Know that There is forgiveness for this sin like any other.

Marriage was instituted by God not Christianity so it is a Covent between the man and woman getting married and God. It is the oldest and most sacred Covents God and man/woman have together it Pre-dates any religious efforts.

All races are equal
Only Israel has been set part, for all other races are known as Gentiles. It is with the Covent God has with Israel that "we" are grafted in with.

Has respect for other religions
God doesn't respect any of Man's religions, That includes versions of christianity that teach a gospel other than the one recorded in scripture.

Science is not evil or wrong, and the "True" religion MUST be compatible
with it (although it can be wrong at times, it usually fixes itself later)

Sciences was originally slated as a study in how God makes the world work. Today science has become a religion in of itself. It is to the fanatical aspect of science that demands absolute allegiance to it's rules, laws, interpretations, and philosophies to the exclusion of all else that you as a potential christian has to identify as "wrong." Not the actual science itself.
"God" cannot "know" the future (if he did, then whats the point in creation? it'd be like watching a bad movie over and over again, you know it sucks and whats going to happen, so why bother?), He may however with full knowledge of past and present, make a VERY educated guess as to what will happen in the future

If this life were the point and purpose of your creation then I would say that you maybe correct, But it is not. God has a more complete view of eternities past present and future because he is not bound by time as you are. He see more because He is more. God is infinite and if you put restrictions on Him in your circles of logic, then He can not be the God scripture speaks of. If your god is not the God Scripture speaks of then what is the point?

These are MY beliefs, im not debating any of these, im merely asking if there is a church or denomination that holds these same views or a large majority of them.
I am sure you will be able to find a fellowship of believers who closely follow your system of beliefs. But that doesn't make them Christian. What i wrote is not up for debate either, because it is the standard in which we are told to live.

I think the big difference here is that Christians look to live by God's word/rules, and what you are doing is trying to find a god to live by yours. Like I said I'm sure you can find people who think as you do, and they may even call themselves Christian, but in the end, the gospel that they teach in of itself will not bring you any closer to God than you already are.
 
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There is essentially no difference in searching for a sect in the way that you are doing and making your own religion with your own god, except that someone else beat you to the punch. It appears that you want something easy and truth doesn't seem to come into the equation here. We all want to make God over in our own image instead of conforming to His. There is the truth and varying degrees of deviation from it which, while it is nice and all that some groups have retained some elements of the truth, doesn't make the rest of their beliefs any less false.

All sects and denominations of any religion represent their faith in their own image, even yours. All i was asking is if there is a sect or denomination with similar beliefs to mine, if there isnt then oh well, if i choose to take jesus christ as my saviour I guess ill be a lonely christian. I never said i want something easy, and truth DOES come into the equation here, because these are MY truths that i have come to discover in my own spiritual journey. I bet you were born orthodox christian werent you? or christianity is all you have ever known, i have read about almost every religion there is with an un biased mind (what i mean by that is, i never think "wrong, wrong, oh that is so wrong" when i read their scriptures and beliefs), however i bet you haven't even read the quran or the buddhist sutras, or the hindu vedas, the tao te ching perhaps? Doubtful so what truth could you possibly know? its like being a jury in a court room and only hearing the prosecutors side before making your decision... Im getting off topic...

I said i wasnt debating my beliefs, I just want to know if their are any sects or denominations out there with similar beliefs to mine, so for future answers, i ask that you would please answer only with a name of the denomination/sect/church and a list of beliefs similar to mine, maybe a website...

To those who answer without an agenda or bashing/correcting my beliefs, I sincerely thank you
 
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All sects and denominations of any religion represent their faith in their own image, even yours.
You're free to disagree. Relativism?

All i was asking is if there is a sect or denomination with similar beliefs to mine, if there isnt then oh well, if i choose to take jesus christ as my saviour I guess ill be a lonely christian. I never said i want something easy, and truth DOES come into the equation here, because these are MY truths that i have come to discover in my own spiritual journey.
There is a help me find a church/denomination board here at CF. It would be more appropriate for your query.

I bet you were born orthodox christian werent you? or christianity is all you have ever known, i have read about almost every religion there is with an un biased mind (what i mean by that is, i never think "wrong, wrong, oh that is so wrong" when i read their scriptures and beliefs), however i bet you haven't even read the quran or the buddhist sutras, or the hindu vedas, the tao te ching perhaps? Doubtful so what truth could you possibly know? its like being a jury in a court room and only hearing the prosecutors side before making your decision... Im getting off topic...
I'm a convert, actually. Since you brought it up, I'll post this copy and paste of an older post of mine.

Not one person can argue you into the Kingdom of Heaven. I am only a Christian because of the grace of God. I have read many holy books from other faiths such as the Koran, the Bhagavad Gita, parts of some Buddhist writings, Hare Krishna literature, the Tao Te Ching, the Urantia Book, the Book of Mormon, the Poetic Edda, the Upanishads, al-hadith, and probably others I've forgotten about. I've learned about major world religions, spiritual trends, historical religions that have seen a resurgence (reconstructionist religions), paganism, satanist philosophies (including Temple of Set), etc. My undergrad degree was in Anthropology, so it would be really strange had I not read a lot.

I was raised Pentecostal. I wanted to believe that the holy scriptures (Christian) were what they claimed to be, but I had some difficulties, I must admit. It does boil down to the ultimate question of whether God exists or not, and how does one know?

I'll give you some background info on why I believe. I don't consider what I went through to be a true deconversion. I had been a hard core believer for most of my life and never thought I'd change either. However, when it happened, it was enough for me to post a deconversion testimony on a website for former Christians.

It was heartbreaking for me and I really had a difficult time. I did go through my own dark night of the soul. At the same time, I was also overjoyed with not having to go to church anymore, as I truly lost all sense of church services etc. even being remotely useful or relevant to my life. It all seemed so pointless. I saw this huge disconnect between the Church that the New Testament spoke about and what I was seeing in the Pentecostal, Baptist, and independent Christian churches I had gone to every Sunday and Wednesday of my life.

I didn't consider going to those churches that were considered more 'liberal' because while social justice issues are important, I didn't see the point in calling themselves Christian if they were rejecting the fundamentals of the faith anyway. I figured I could be involved in helping others, be more honest with myself in the process, and sleep in on Sundays. Everything I had ever encountered in Christianity seemed to be well intentioned, but wrong somehow.

I began calling myself a Deist, but I wasn't satisfied with that and started researching other religions and philosophies. I liked Taoism, but I honestly didn't see anything else that I considered worth my time to believe in. I couldn't call myself an atheist because I had a few experiences in my life that made me aware of a spiritual world out there. However, knowing this didn't make finding the truth an easy process, and skeptics had a lot of good questions that I began to examine as my own.

Long story short, I was a jaded and bitter individual. I felt I had good reason to be as I had a lot of negative religious/spiritual experiences. I understand where people are coming from who are angry, because I can relate to an extent. However, my bitterness began to turn into hatred of all things Christian, to the point where I started to see that I was becoming the sort of person I didn't want to be. I didn't like myself at all.

I didn't give up my search though. I read a lot. I sent desperate, pleading prayers out for God (if He even existed) to lead me to the truth. It was coming across Orthodox Christianity on the net that piqued my interest. I thought I knew everything about Christianity- enough to know that all the groups I was familiar with weren't going to cut it for me. I found the only Orthodox book at my local Barnes and Noble and bought the beat up and bent copy of it. I read it, I was cautious about it, I tried to dismiss it (but it kept coming to mind), and I eventually decided that I wanted to go visit an Orthodox church.

If I recall correctly, I think it was the Orthodox teaching on hell that really swayed me. It’s not the same. I could never buy into the whole Jonathan Edwards’ Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God thing where God hates everyone and just specifically creates people to torment for eternity. It never rang true. However, reading about what the Orthodox Church believes regarding heaven and hell, it did ring true to me.

So, what is this view of heaven and hell? God is Love and His presence is like fire. How one endures this fire has everything to do with how they were tempered in this life, just like the three righteous youths in the fiery furnace were able to joyfully walk around unharmed in the fire, so did others who didn't love God perish just being near the fire. The fire didn't change.

Here is a quote from an old Wikipedia article on the topic (that doesn’t seem to be around anymore) that I thought explained it pretty well: "For many ancient Christians, Hell was the same "place" as Heaven: living in the presence of God and directly experiencing God's love. Whether this was experienced as pleasure or torment depended on one's disposition towards God. St. Isaac of Syria wrote in Mystic Treatises: "... those who find themselves in Hell will be chastised by the scourge of love. How cruel and bitter this torment of love will be! For those who understand that they have sinned against love, undergo greater suffering than those produced by the most fearful tortures. The sorrow which takes hold of the heart, which has sinned against love, is more piercing than any other pain. It is not right to say that the sinners in Hell are deprived of the love of God ... But love acts in two ways, as suffering of the reproved, and as joy in the blessed!" This ancient view is still the doctrine of the Eastern Orthodox Church."

I was very reluctant to go back to any sort of church again. The first Sunday my husband (who was agnostic at the time) and I even turned around in the church parking lot and went out for coffee instead. However, we eventually made our way in for Divine Liturgy.

How does one explain to someone else about experiencing the presence of God? All I knew was that it wasn't simply my own emotions wreaking havoc with me- some things come from outside of ourselves- and people who know themselves well can discern this difference. (I was raised Pentecostal and I am rather immune to situations designed to manipulate emotions.) It was like being confronted with all of the answers to my questions after my long search. I knew I had to convert. God was there. Christ is in the Eucharist- which is something I had difficulty accepting as I was raised to accept a very different thing as being the truth- but have certainly experienced beyond a doubt since my Chrismation. Can I prove this to you? No. Were our personal experiences enough to prove it to me and my husband? Yes.

I essentially discovered a Christianity that is an entirely different religion from what I knew before. I had to start over again completely. I couldn't go back to what I thought I knew and believed. I just couldn't. There was something missing there, or I wouldn't have been unhappy enough to leave in the first place. We have the same holy scriptures and belief in the trinity, but everything else is radically different. I somehow knew it was my only chance when I discovered the Orthodox Church.

Except, I personally need the Church. I can't go it alone. I need the liturgy, I need the Eucharist, I need the prayers of the Church, and I especially need all of the sacraments of Christ's Holy Church . I need to go the hospital for what ails me; the ark of our salvation. I need the medicine of immortality.
I said i wasnt debating my beliefs, I just want to know if their are any sects or denominations out there with similar beliefs to mine, so for future answers, i ask that you would please answer only with a name of the denomination/sect/church and a list of beliefs similar to mine, maybe a website...
I don't recall debating with you.

To those who answer without an agenda or bashing/correcting my beliefs, I sincerely thank you
Of course I have an agenda as a Christian on a board where non-Christians ask questions.
 
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Hi Genryu1989, I do not know of a group that holds your views. But there are churches that allow women to hold all positions and think it is fine to engage in homosexual activity, and so they marry same sex couples.

I do not know whether these churches think all paths lead to God's acceptance which would be the basis of respecting a non-Christian religion.

Let me talk a little about predestination. When someone uses the word, it could refer to the Calvinist doctrine where God knows everything past present and future and ordains whatsoever comes to pass. If this is what you reject, then lots of churches also reject that view. If, on the other hand, you think God could not intervene in the lives of men and cause them to go a certain way because that is what He predetermined to bring about, then, again, I know of no church that holds that view. Every prophecy of God is fulfilled by God bringing it about. For example, there is a prophecy that Christ will be betrayed, and God fulfilled that prophecy by picking Judas so the prophecy would be fulfilled. In other words, God predestines some things, but not all things, because God allows us to make choices which alter our future.
 
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If I knew of such a church, I couldn't recommend it to anyone, because that would be a church in contradiction of some plain truths about God. This isn't to say that we believe the polar opposite of every one of those points, but the practitioner adjusts to the truths of Christianity. It's not the other way around.
 
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Seashale your story sounds very similar to mine, but i had absolutely no religious upbringing, ive searched through all those religions and texts and then some, you suprised me with your post, and I apologize for any harshness. When you said " I need the medicine of immortality" at the end, it was like you read my mind, thats exactly why im searching through all these religions, so i can live on after death, im not afraid of death, i just want to continue "being". One thing that really peaked my interest was the orthodox's concept of hell, I had no idea thats how the OC viewed it. If you dont mind me asking, what are some big differences between Orthodox christianity and the others? teachings wise, like their concept of hell, I could very well look anything i need to know up, but i think we may think somewhat alike, so im hoping you can weed through most of it and tell me the things id be more interested in.
 
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If I knew of such a church, I couldn't recommend it to anyone, because that would be a church in contradiction of some plain truths about God. This isn't to say that we believe the polar opposite of every one of those points, but the practitioner adjusts to the truths of Christianity. It's not the other way around.

We as human beings are always evolving in ideas and how we see the world, so if a religion cant "get with the times" then it most likely isnt the "true" religion, so yeah christianity does have to adjust to the practitioners or a couple hundred years from now, the majority of the world will be looking at it like they look at mormonism or the african/south american tribal religions...
 
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We as human beings are always evolving in ideas and how we see the world, so if a religion cant "get with the times" then it most likely isnt the "true" religion, so yeah christianity does have to adjust to the practitioners or a couple hundred years from now, the majority of the world will be looking at it like they look at mormonism or the african/south american tribal religions...

Truth is truth, it is what it is. Interesting that you should mention Mormonism, because that is a religion that has changed a lot of its "unchangeable" tenets in its short history. Yet, rightly so, it is one of the least respected faiths out there. If your prophet or whoever can't get it right the first time, why follow that faith at all. It's nothing but fanciful ideas by humans, making stuff up as they go along. But the true religion out there is just as true now as it was thousands of years ago, and it will be true thousands of years into the future, and into eternity.
 
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Seashale your story sounds very similar to mine, but i had absolutely no religious upbringing, ive searched through all those religions and texts and then some, you suprised me with your post, and I apologize for any harshness. When you said " I need the medicine of immortality" at the end, it was like you read my mind, thats exactly why im searching through all these religions, so i can live on after death, im not afraid of death, i just want to continue "being". One thing that really peaked my interest was the orthodox's concept of hell, I had no idea thats how the OC viewed it. If you dont mind me asking, what are some big differences between Orthodox christianity and the others? teachings wise, like their concept of hell, I could very well look anything i need to know up, but i think we may think somewhat alike, so im hoping you can weed through most of it and tell me the things id be more interested in.
Gennry, we have an Orthodox forum within CF alongside the Catholic and Protestant forums. You are perfectly welcome to visit us there. Of course, consider the posts of all Christians here too.
 
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Dear genruy. I know of no christian sect which believes as you do. Christ is the Leader of all Christians, and He gave us 2 Commandments, which contain the same as God gave us in His 10 Commandments. 1) Love God with all our hearts, with all our souls, and with all our minds. 2) Love our neighbour, all others, friend or enemy, As we love our selves. When you tell us that you like love between the same sexes, I can assure you that God made men and women, and God told us to populate the earth. For that to happen, we must be man an woman, and to believe different, is NOT to LOVE GOD above all else, rather follow our own will/wishes. I say this humbly and with love, genruy. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.
 
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Gennry, we have an Orthodox forum within CF alongside the Catholic and Protestant forums. You are perfectly welcome to visit us there. Of course, consider the posts of all Christians here too.

Thank you for the invitation, i made a new post there with a couple of questions regarding orthodoxy, i hope you take a look and possibly answer my questions
 
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Dear genruy. I know of no christian sect which believes as you do. Christ is the Leader of all Christians, and He gave us 2 Commandments, which contain the same as God gave us in His 10 Commandments. 1) Love God with all our hearts, with all our souls, and with all our minds. 2) Love our neighbour, all others, friend or enemy, As we love our selves. When you tell us that you like love between the same sexes, I can assure you that God made men and women, and God told us to populate the earth. For that to happen, we must be man an woman, and to believe different, is NOT to LOVE GOD above all else, rather follow our own will/wishes. I say this humbly and with love, genruy. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

Emmy, theres no reason a gay cant love god AND his homosexual lover, love is love, heterosexual love isnt better then homosexual. Gays dont choose to be the way they are, they are just born that way. but like i said im not here to debate, if you dont know of any church with similar beliefs then why did you even post a reply?

DO NOT REPLY UNLESS ITS WHAT I ASKED FOR, A CHURCH/SECT/DENOMINATION WITH SIMILAR BELIEFS TO MINE
 
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Gays don't choose to be the way they are, they are just born that way. but like i said im not here to debate

Evidently you are. you just prefer to have it on your terms rather than hosting an open fair debate.

That said, despite what gender one may prefer to have a sexual relationship with. Outside the bounds of marriage God has deem sex of any kind a sin. Keeping in Mind We are all sinners, and "we" like the Homosexuals in you argument, we were all born that way. The big difference being, those who want a relationship with the God of the Bible know they can not have that relationship with Him, and still indulge our every perfectly natural want and desire.

What you seem to misunderstand, is that just because something can be deemed natural does not mean that it is Holy or in God's will.
 
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Evidently you are. you just prefer to have it on your terms rather than hosting an open fair debate.

That said, despite what gender one may prefer to have a sexual relationship with. Outside the bounds of marriage God has deem sex of any kind a sin. Keeping in Mind We are all sinners, and "we" like the Homosexuals in you argument, we were all born that way. The big difference being, those who want a relationship with the God of the Bible know they can not have that relationship with Him, and still indulge our every perfectly natural want and desire.

What you seem to misunderstand, is that just because something can be deemed natural does not mean that it is Holy or in God's will.

no im not, i put my beliefs on the table to find a church/denomination/sect with similar beliefs, did i not say that? Its you and people like you who are turning it into a debate, its real simple, do you know of a sect/church/denomination that holds similar beliefs or most of my beliefs? if you dont, then why even bother posting? if there isnt one then i guess this thread would die very quickly huh?
 
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I have been very interested in Christianity, I may convert in the future, I was wondering, from the information i'm about to give you below, what christian sect best represents my beliefs?

There are "Essential Doctrines" that I have based my truth seeking on in search of "God" and here they are...

Men and women are completely equal

All races are equal

Same sex attraction is natural, animals and humans have done it since the beginning of creation, therefore LGBT's should be given equal rights (not once did jesus mention homosexuality, and marriage is not just a "christian" union)

Has respect for other religions

Mankind has free will (no predestination)

Science is not evil or wrong, and the "True" religion MUST be compatible
with it (although it can be wrong at times, it usually fixes itself later)

"God" cannot "know" the future (if he did, then whats the point in creation? it'd be like watching a bad movie over and over again, you know it sucks and whats going to happen, so why bother?), He may however with full knowledge of past and present, make a VERY educated guess as to what will happen in the future.

These are MY beliefs, im not debating any of these, im merely asking if there is a church or denomination that holds these same views or a large majority of them.
Some of them would need unpacking to be sure about what you meant by them, but some would be much more restrictive than others. The last, in particular, is really begging several questions (such as "what would it mean for God not to know the future if time itself is part of the created order")?.

Other than that, the Episcopal Church of the United States of America (TEC) sometimes gets pretty close, but they are quite diverse.
 
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Thank Ebia, ill be sure to look that church up and see what their doctrines are. As for my last belief, to me it would not make sense if god knew all (the future, ie every last detail of it) because that would make creation a "movie", sorry thats the best way i can describe it. Ill try to use an example...

Im sure everyones heard of the movie avatar? Well lets say youve watched it 1000 times, you know every little detail of it, every word thats said, everything that happens, nothing changes. If god knows the future (ie every detail of it, what we do, what we think) then our creation is exactly how i described it to you, an extremely crappy and sadistic movie... (you have to think like your God, that may sound a little strange maybe even blasphemous, but unless you can think as if you were God, you will not fully understand what im saying) The main influence of this belief isnt really christianity, but from my learning about islam and Al-Qadar (predestination, God wills everything).
 
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