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What causes Uncertainty?

Discussion in 'Physical & Life Sciences' started by pittsburghjoe, Jan 24, 2021.

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  1. pittsburghjoe

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    We know large objects are subject to the Measurement Problem. So, is it the uncertainty of the individual atoms and not the whole object? If it is the whole object, is it because it using Vector for Momentum?

    Do scalar volumes use the vector field for direction (velocity, acceleration, momentum, path)? Is physical matter considered scalar volumes? Could uncertainty be from scalar volumes using vector?

    Is the energy associated with light from vector momentum to scalar energy?

    Is a Bose-Einstein condensate causing a physical scalar volume to become vector waves? Is absolute zero impossible because the vector field is responsible for movement?

    Is the vector field why waves are waves? Is it all possible paths that cause interference patterns? Do Scalar Volumes limit the number of possible paths? Does measurement cause Vector Waves to be Scalar?

    Consider what momentum from vector would do to a scalar volume. I think there is something extremely fundamental here. Is position from Scalar? Is momentum from Vector?

    Isn't Uncertainty all about Position and Momentum?

    Vector quantum waves can decohere/localize from something that is already scalar. Quantum information isn't lost to the environment, it is used by its scalar volume to become physical matter. Coherent lasers can avoid causing decoherence (scalar volumes) because it is vector/virtual. This is why they are used in a Bose-Einstein condensate.

    Vector/Virtual Light Waves can only be as physical as the energy it becomes as scalar. If it doesn't have mass, does that mean a scalar volume doesn't form?

    Particles in superposition are not physical. If they were their weight would multiply from being in all possible paths.

    Mass must be involved in the physical structure/volume of particles.

    A vector and a vector quantity are two different things. A vector field is filled with vectors. A wave is defined by the number of vectors it used in the field. A non-local wave uses a lot more from all possible paths. The position might be considered vector, but the measured particle is Scalar.

    The weird thing about electrons is that they are never point particles while in electron shells. They are forced to be a wave because they have no start or end.

    Could the complex plane be used to describe Vector? Is scalar using the real number line?
     
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  2. Halbhh

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    Trying to figure something on the measurement problem is often where people think on, macro vs micro. I don't see why vector vs scalar might connect.
     
  3. SelfSim

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    There is no benefit in conflating vector and scalar concepts.

    The OP post is completely confused.
     
  4. FrumiousBandersnatch

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    I'm afraid I can't follow what you're asking here, it seems confused and incoherent - but if it helps, the Measurement Problem and the measurement relation between position and momentum (Uncertainty Principle) are two different things.
     
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    Rule #1 Dont drink and post on the internet.
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  6. The IbanezerScrooge

    The IbanezerScrooge I can't believe what I'm hearing...

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    I am uncertain.
     
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  7. Ophiolite

    Ophiolite Recalcitrant Procrastinating Ape

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    Thank you. I have been fighting the temptation since I saw the thread title. I was just about to succumb when I found you had beaten me to it. :)
     
  8. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    'Uncertainty' is baked into quantum reality.
     
  9. FrumiousBandersnatch

    FrumiousBandersnatch Well-Known Member

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    Maybe... ;)
     
  10. chilehed

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    I haven't felt that uncertain since that time I ate a cactus.
     
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