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What can an evil person do?

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Ok, I give up. I'm evil. I sin without repenting. I can't help it. It's like I'm full of sin, but I'm just afraid of judgment, which is not repentance. I don't even think the sins I commit are wrong, so I'm just getting angry at God now. What do I do? There's a train of eternal damnation headed my way, and I'm trapped. I cannot change who I am (especially when when I don't see the sins I commit as evil), and there's no other option to Christ.

For about six years I've been reading the bible and going to church. I've read books about God, met with pastors, etc. For the first few years I operated out of fear of God trying to keep God's laws. After realizing I couldn't keep God's laws (or standard for repentance) I fell into depression and anguish. I've tried to find answers and hope, but all signs point to me burning in hell. I've recently been asking God for mercy so that I may just die like an animal and not suffer eternally.

For many the Bible is like food for their soul. For me... well I have alot of anxiety about reading the Bible. Reading just seems to hammer my doom more and more into my head. I have no conviction to be better, I have nowhere to rest, and I have no one to turn to. I hear Jesus accepts unconditionally, but I believe he himself said that without repentance for willful sins you will still be judged.

Before you tell me that admitting I'm evil is repentance read up on what real repentance is. What I have is fear of God and alot of worldly grief. Sure I would like to be perfect, not because I want to be better or any of that. It's plain and simple, I just don't want to go to hell. Like I said, I don't even think many of the sins I commit are bad.

I's funny I first turned to Christ when I realized my mortality and was afraid of just dying and ceasing to exist; now I have actually asked God for mercy and to give me that same fate. What can I do? I feel as if I was created to suffer eternally, and there's nothing I can do. Did God just not chose me for the gift of salvation? Will God have mercy on me and let me just die like an animal (after all he can do anything right)?
 

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Well, you realize what you are, so why not pray that God would move your heart to true repentance. I found myself thinking similarly, was grieved over it, prayed for that, and I actually repented of a couple of things a few weeks later. Sometimes you've got to hit the bottom and know it before you bounce up.
 
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You could say that I have some spiritual directors. Man, I am so confused. They tell me things, but it seems they contradict themselves. Why did they say that salvation is a free gift, but you have to repent, and be active in church, etc. I guess repentance wouldn't be so bad if there weren't so many sins.

And on top of it I've been reading some other posts here and I just get more and more discouraged. You guys are so beyond me. I don't even know what to say. I guess I just had to post here and vent, but I don't know who can help me. It seems no one understands me, and I just feel so lost.
 
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Ok, I give up. I'm evil. I sin without repenting. I can't help it. It's like I'm full of sin, but I'm just afraid of judgment, which is not repentance. I don't even think the sins I commit are wrong, so I'm just getting angry at God now. What do I do? There's a train of eternal damnation headed my way, and I'm trapped. I cannot change who I am (especially when when I don't see the sins I commit as evil), and there's no other option to Christ.

For about six years I've been reading the bible and going to church. I've read books about God, met with pastors, etc. For the first few years I operated out of fear of God trying to keep God's laws. After realizing I couldn't keep God's laws (or standard for repentance) I fell into depression and anguish. I've tried to find answers and hope, but all signs point to me burning in hell. I've recently been asking God for mercy so that I may just die like an animal and not suffer eternally.

For many the Bible is like food for their soul. For me... well I have alot of anxiety about reading the Bible. Reading just seems to hammer my doom more and more into my head. I have no conviction to be better, I have nowhere to rest, and I have no one to turn to. I hear Jesus accepts unconditionally, but I believe he himself said that without repentance for willful sins you will still be judged.

Before you tell me that admitting I'm evil is repentance read up on what real repentance is. What I have is fear of God and alot of worldly grief. Sure I would like to be perfect, not because I want to be better or any of that. It's plain and simple, I just don't want to go to hell. Like I said, I don't even think many of the sins I commit are bad.

I's funny I first turned to Christ when I realized my mortality and was afraid of just dying and ceasing to exist; now I have actually asked God for mercy and to give me that same fate. What can I do? I feel as if I was created to suffer eternally, and there's nothing I can do. Did God just not chose me for the gift of salvation? Will God have mercy on me and let me just die like an animal (after all he can do anything right)?

Hi, you were not created to suffer eternally.

Whenever I hear the bible yelling at someone, generally is due to some bad legalistic teaching experience. No idea if is what occurred with you, but is what generally causes the word to yell at us rather than be the blessing that it is.

You said following God's laws. There are no laws to follow. Jesus gave us commandments. We have free will. We choose and strive to do what God has commanded us to do in the nt or not to do, depending on what is the topic.

As to the commandments God has given us each one of us fails at them, and no one keeps every commandment in the nt to my knowledge, as we are all growing in Christ all our lives and we fail and succeed and continue to run the race.

Have you ever surrendered to Jesus, committed your life to Jesus. As what your describing is that there is no power in your life (Holy Spirit) helping you. I'm not saying it's so, but is what you are describing.

Or; it may be that you are in Christ but are unwilling to let go or turn from some sin, certain sin, a lot of sin, whatever it is.

When we come to Jesus, some change quickly, turning from their old lives, not desiring it any longer; others change slowly as to things, every one is different.

Here's an example that might help you see a bit about sin.

Take for example adultry. Having another man's wife, or another woman's husband. If did that prior to Jesus, when get into the bible and see, let's say the love chapter in Corinthians.

We see there, what love is..

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails

Notice, love always protects, is not self seeking, is kind.

When we think thru then what occurs in adultry we see we are self seeking, not kind, and not protecting, as the person's spouse is being hurt, or will be, or can be, as well as the children, and when affairs occur, and the grass looks greener, often times, we'll see the divorce and then the poverty often times the one cheated on winds up in, with kids at home, etc.. Not to mention mental illness, depression, etc.. many many effects of adultry.

We also see in the bible we never want to cause another to sin. In adultry we are doing that with who ever we commit adultry with. We are causing another to sin.

So, perhaps not getting angry about things, but seeking to see why sin is sin may help you to have a reasonable understanding of why God desires we avoid it, and dont' participate in it at all.

But to start, Jesus speaks of cleaning the inside of the cup and then the outside will be clean. That is why is important to be in Christ, as once we are the Holy Spirit is indwelling us, and is God who helps us to change our mind, to turn away, to run from, to not desire to sin, etc.

If the bible is yelling at you, please think if you've been exposed to legalism. Legalism kills the spirit. If that is what occurred, ask God to help you to heal. I spent a year with the bible screaming at me, due to legalism, and it took a year to heal, and a year to be able to open the bible again without it screaming at me. Not because I was sinning, but because the bible seemed to scream at me, cause is what occurred though very very subtley at a church by a legalistic pastor, way back when.

If you are in Jesus, tell Him I want to do this sin, I do not want to give it up, please help me not to desire to sin.

Always be very honest with God, no need to ever be otherwise. God works with us as we are truthful, and even when we are not, but many are afraid to be truthful with God and say the truth when in fact nothing more God would want to hear said, the truth of the matter.

As then you are opening that part of your life open to God saying help me in this.

It is a daily walk with Jesus. It's not a one time as you know. So, we one day are one step forward, next day, two steps back, but we keep going forward, striving to be more Christlike, not in a hypocritical way, but in a real way.

If you were in a church who encouraged you to be a hypocrite, meaning you had to look perfect to others, or you may have assumed that others are perfect and no one is, but many do assume others are not struggling with sin, because people often will not be vulnerable and open to share such, due to what can occur from being open.

So you find a trustworthy friend. It may not be a pastor, it may be, but a Christian who you know you can trust, who will not judge you and who will help you.

Many hide their sin, as they are ashamed of it, and so they continue in it, as is never brought to the light. That's why God tells us to confess it to God and to another (a trusted person.) Not all are trustworthy.

You say you are full of sin, so is every one of us, and our heart is loaded with it, and it will come up over and over, whether it's lust, pride, self righteousness, greed, etc.. we will get thru it one day and next day fail.

It's the inside that is your concern; your heart, your desires becoming as Jesus' desire.

The outer man changes, due to an inward heart change, and again is a lifetime process, someone can hang on to something a long time, as is a stronghold in their life. Something they do not desire to give over to give up, to let go of, to turn away from.

There is all kinds of help for you or for any of us out there in our brothers and sisters in Jesus.

If you can't read the word right now, try listening to sermons online or at church; if you were going to a bad church find a good church a Christ centered church, not a law centered church, not a do this or else centered chruch, as has nothing to do with Jesus. A Christ centered church will teach about Jesus, will not exalt the pastor in any way at all, but Christ will always be exalted.

So to see the sins you do as wrong, just think them out very logically as to how that sin or a sin has a trickle affect either on you alone, or on very many people.

As I gave the adultry for instance..as in thinking out the effects of sin.

If I steal a candy bar, no biggy, but in truth, people are now homeless, without jobs, companies closed down etc, for that kind of thinking as countless others doing the same.

If I dump chemical waste in a field as don't want to pay for the right way to dispose, I may have in that act killed a whole town and many generations to come.

Those are just examples to sort of think of why sin is not good, why it's bad and why God does not want us to sin.

If you feel about a sin, well I'm not hurting another, it's just my life..think about how very precious you are, and hurting you is not good, never good. However, most sin affects much more than us, but we need to think it out sometimes if we don't see why something is wrong.

And if you find people judging you for asking why a certain sin is wrong, find a trusted person again..as it is not always good to share with others who will judge you, which makes people tend to hide even better and more, rather than seek to be free.

I keep rereading your post as I type and I do think now that you've been in a church possibly that is not quite Christ centered.

Also you wrote you feel no conviction for sin. You wouldn't if you don't think it's wrong.

Before we were in Jesus, we didn't think anything of stealing from the job we worked for or the store, cause hey they're big, they won't notice, is much the attitude many of us had. Thinking no one is hurt, no one is suffereing over what I'm doing, but in reality most times the dominoe effect surely is reaping much harm.

I had no conscience before Christ, I lived a very very dark life and never felt guilt or shame, unless I got caught.

When I came to Jesus, I had no shame, because the second I was in Jesus, without a person telling me a thing, as I was in a good church, and no one said, dont do this and do this, must do x or y, none of that, God worked in me, and I for some reason no longer desired the things I did. I noticed Jesus was right there with me all the time. this is when I first came to Jesus. I felt no condemnation at all, because there is no condemnation in Jesus.

No one told me to turn from my sin, to repent, nothing.. it just occurred. When I started to read the bible I learned more, and so at some point I told God all my sins, but never ever did I feel condemned.

So that you feel nothing about your sin, it may be because we are deeply rooted in the world when we come to Jesus and we don't even realize how worldy our thoughts are, us saying, well it's not hurting another, or that person is not worth anything so I can take advantage of them or use them etc, or we may think we're not worthy of anything. We are all messed up and come to Jesus that way, and with God inside us once we've committed/surrendered our life to Jesus, God helps us.

Sorry for the book, I could go on and on. You are greatly loved, you are very precious, you are not evil, it sounds like you've been in possibly not good churches, as well possibly as you don't see why sin is so bad, and that is something you can work on, but I can tell you tht all our lives we are dealing with things and saying not so bad, instead of thinking out why it is and why we should desire as Jesus desires.

Immerse yourself in Jesus, watch sermons online at Christ centered churches, find a brother if you are male, sorry I didn't notice, or a woman if you are female, a trusted Christian, God has His people around..

To be healed from the bible screaming at you, takes time, if it's due to a church; if it's due to your sin, it isn't screaming at you for your sins, cause we all sin, but because Jesus loves you, knows your struggles, and lovingly has verses in the bible to help you to turn away from things, to run from things.

God bless you,
tapero
 
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You could say that I have some spiritual directors. Man, I am so confused. They tell me things, but it seems they contradict themselves. Why did they say that salvation is a free gift, but you have to repent, and be active in church, etc. I guess repentance wouldn't be so bad if there weren't so many sins.

And on top of it I've been reading some other posts here and I just get more and more discouraged. You guys are so beyond me. I don't even know what to say. I guess I just had to post here and vent, but I don't know who can help me. It seems no one understands me, and I just feel so lost.

Salvation is free, but it doesnt give us the right to "sin it up" We are still responsible for our actions...salvation isnt a gift here take it leave type of thing...being and living for God is a very personal thing..it inhabits your entire being..it occupies your life..it changes you..gives you new desires...we strive to be like Christ who is perfect but sometimes we make mistakes and thats why we need to repent..tell God I am sorry , I know what I did is wrong..I dont want to do it again..its signifies your commitment to relationship and it puts you on good terms with your relationship with God..does that make better sense?
 
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Well first of all I have never understood what people mean when you surrender to Jesus. It's so hard to think things calmly and be patient when hell is looming over you. Ok, I understand that pride is bad. If because of pride you put someone down or hurt someone in some way I would feel bad, and probably repent, but if I make a good play in soccer and someone compliments me I might feel good, and I don't see that as bad. Do I need to suppress any feelings of pride in that scenario, or forcefully respond "don't compliment me, it's all because of God"? I know I don't think I should. I don't want to build a big ego, but I got stress knots going down my back because of trying to supress pride, anger, etc. And sure it wouldn't be so bad if I could grow, take it at my own pace, but no. I better make sure I repent for all my sins or I'm toast.

And video games... so I want to play some video games with friends. And maybe I play for too long. I don't think that's terrible. Or watching southpark... I love to laugh. Sure they get carried out of hand sometimes, but do I need to forsake everything because of an over the top joke here and there.

Great... I let the cat out of the bag and now I'm gonna get people in here condemning me for watching southpark and playing violent video games...
 
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Salvation is free, but it doesnt give us the right to "sin it up" We are still responsible for our actions...salvation isnt a gift here take it leave type of thing...being and living for God is a very personal thing..it inhabits your entire being..it occupies your life..it changes you..gives you new desires...we strive to be like Christ who is perfect but sometimes we make mistakes and thats why we need to repent..tell God I am sorry , I know what I did is wrong..I dont want to do it again..its signifies your commitment to relationship and it puts you on good terms with your relationship with God..does that make better sense?

Ok. That doesn't sound free to me, but ok. I could live with that if there weren't so many things to repent about, and so many things that sound insane to me. I read on the forums here that someone felt bad for saying a swear word... wow. That's my problem. Ok, if you cussed someone out, ok. but you slipped and fell and accidently let out the f-word???? The other day someone was insulting someone else for a dumb reason (which made me real angry) so I said some stuff to that guy that wasn't so nice. I ended up apologising (out of fear of God), but I can't live like that. With a gun pointed at my head.

And whats happening is that since I've been living and doing things out of fear I'm starting to cave in. The stress is getting overwhelming.
 
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HI PETER,

I HAVE TO WRITE IN BLOCKS, SO PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLOGY FOR WRITING THIS WAY.

Ok, I give up. I'm evil.
YOU SPEAK THE WORD, THEN YOU WILL BE WHAT YOU SPEAK.

NOW JUST BY SPEAKING THOSE WORDS YOU ARE GIVING THE ENEMY GROUNDS TO TEMPT YOU AND TO CONTROL YOU.

I sin without repenting.
WHEN YOU SIN, YOU CONFESS AND REPENT AND ASK HIM FOR FORGIVENESS.

I can't help it.
OF COURSE YOU CAN HELP IT.

IT’S BECOME OBVIOUS THAT YOU HAVEN’T HAD A GOOD GROUNDING FOUNDATION IN HIS WORD AND OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.

YOU DON’T KNOW “WHO YOU ARE”, OR “WHO ARE YOU”!

It's like I'm full of sin, but I'm just afraid of judgment, which is not repentance.
HAVE YOU EVER TRIED TO SET YOURSELF FREE?

HAVE YOU EVER HAD GOOD SOUND CHRISTIAN COUNSELLING?

HAVE YOU REALLY BEEN SAVED?

I don't even think the sins I commit are wrong, so I'm just getting angry at God now.
YOU ARE GETTING ANGRY WITH GOD, WHEN YOU SHOULD BE WALKING WITH OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, OUR ALMIGHTY GOD.

What do I do? There's a train of eternal damnation headed my way, and I'm trapped. I cannot change who I am (especially when when I don't see the sins I commit as evil), and there's no other option to Christ.
MY DEAR BROTHER IN CHIRST, THERE IS NO CONDEMNATION IN OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.


YOU WANT TO BROW-BEAT AND BERATE YOURSELF, THEN YOU WILL GET YOUR HEART’S DESIRES.

SO WHAT DO YOU WANT?

FREEDOM IN OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST?

For about six years I've been reading the bible and going to church.

OH YAIR, I’VE HEARD THAT FROM MANY CHRISTIANS WHO DON’T KNOW OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.

HE CAME TO HEAL THE BROKEN-HEARTED, DELIVER THEM FROM EVIL, AND SET THE CAPTIVES FREE.

I've read books about God, met with pastors, etc.
WELL THAT’S GREAT, BUT DID A GOOD GOD-ANOINTED CHRISTIAN COUNSELLOR IN THE HEALING MINISTRY COUNSEL YOU?

BY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING HERE, IT IS VERY OBVIOUS YOU ARE STILL CARRYING A LOT OF GARBAGE IN YOUR LIFE THAT NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH.

I’LL ASK YOU ONE QUESTION HAVE YOU EVER DABBLED IN THE OCCULT, THAT IS, ANYTHING THAT ARE PRACTICES OF THE KINGDOM OF DARKNESS?

OUIJA BOARD?

For the first few years I operated out of fear of God trying to keep God's laws. After realizing I couldn't keep God's laws (or standard for repentance) I fell into depression and anguish.
YES, THAT WILL HAPPEN IF YOU HAVEN’T HAD A GOOD GROUNDING IN HIS WORD AND OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.

WHEN WE HAVE SPLIT SOUL, THEN WE WILL BECOME “DOUBLE-MINDED”.

WHEN WE DOUBT WE WILL BECOME “LIKE A WAVE OF THE SEA DRIVING AND TOSSED BY THE WIND” (SEE JAMES 1:2-8)

I've tried to find answers and hope, but all signs point to me burning in hell. I've recently been asking God for mercy so that I may just die like an animal and not suffer eternally.
YOU ARE SUFFERING INTERNALLY, BECAUSE YOU HAVEN’T BEEN HEALED INTERNALLY FROM ALL YOU PAST HURTS, OFFENCES, ABUSE, TRAUMAS, OR WHATEVER THAT NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH THROUGH GOOD, SOUND, GOD-ANOINTED CHRISTIAN COUNSELLING.


For many the Bible is like food for their soul.

WELL, THAT IS SO, BUT THAT IS FOR THOSE MATURE CHRISTIANS WHO KNOW WHO THEY ARE IN OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.

HEAD KNOWLEDGE ISN’T THE TRUTH!

For me... well I have alot of anxiety about reading the Bible. Reading just seems to hammer my doom more and more into my head. I have no conviction to be better, I have nowhere to rest, and I have no one to turn to.
MATE, YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST STRUGGLING CHRISTIAN TO SAY THAT.

LET ME KNOW WHAT AREA YOU LIVE AND I’LL SEE IF I CAN DIRECT YOU TO A GOOD COUNSELLOR.

I hear Jesus accepts unconditionally, but I believe he himself said that without repentance for willful sins you will still be judged.
MATE, WE WILL BE JUDGED FOR MANY THINGS, EVEN “IDLE WORDS”


Before you tell me that admitting I'm evil is repentance read up on what real repentance is. What I have is fear of God and alot of worldly grief. Sure I would like to be perfect, not because I want to be better or any of that. It's plain and simple, I just don't want to go to hell. Like I said, I don't even think many of the sins I commit are bad.
SPEAK MY DEAR BROTHER, YOU NEED DEEP-DOWN INNERHEALING IN YOUR SOUL.


YOU NEED YOUR EMOTIONAL FEELINGS AND PAST LIFE HEALED. ONCE THEY ARE HEALED THEN YOU “WILL” WILL COME INTO LINE WITH HIS WORD.

THEN, YOUR THOUGHT WILL COME FROM YOUR SPIRITUAL MIND, YOUR HEART. THE CARNAL MIND IS SATAN’S BATTLEGROUND, AND THAT IS WHY YOU ARE IN TURMOIL. THE ENEMY IS HARASSING AND TORMENTING YOU.

I's funny I first turned to Christ when I realized my mortality and was afraid of just dying and ceasing to exist; now I have actually asked God for mercy and to give me that same fate. What can I do?

REDEDICATE YOUR LIFE TO OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, AND FIND A GOOD MATURE MENTOR IN THE HEALING MINISTRY.

I feel as if I was created to suffer eternally, and there's nothing I can do.
YOU CAN DO MUCH, IN OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.

Did God just not chose me for the gift of salvation?
SORRY, HE DIDN’T CHOSE YOU FOR THE GIFT OF SALVATION, YOU WERE GIVEN THE GIFT OF SALVATION BECAUSE YOU ARE SAVED. AND THAT GIFT IS WITH INTERNALLY.

BUT, YOU NEED TO RENEW YOUR MIND, AND NEED TO GIVE YOUR HEART AND SOUL TO OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.

Will God have mercy on me and let me just die like an animal (after all he can do anything right)?
HE CAN DO ANYTHING, BUT YOU HAVE TO EVERYTHING YOURSELF.

YOU NEED HEALING MY DEAR BROTHER IN CHRIST.
 
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Hmm, in what sense? :confused:

You guys love God. You are striving to be like Christ. You guys repent for your sins. Me on the other hand just want to leave. Maybe at one point I did want to be better, and had hope, but the deeper I got the more insane things got, and the more I just became bitter. Now I just hope God has mercy on me.
 
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Hmm, in what sense? :confused:

He means in the sense that we are more spiritually mature tha

Ok. That doesn't sound free to me, but ok. I could live with that if there weren't so many things to repent about, and so many things that sound insane to me. I read on the forums here that someone felt bad for saying a swear word... wow. That's my problem. Ok, if you cussed someone out, ok. but you slipped and fell and accidently let out the f-word???? The other day someone was insulting someone else for a dumb reason (which made me real angry) so I said some stuff to that guy that wasn't so nice. I ended up apologising (out of fear of God), but I can't live like that. With a gun pointed at my head.

And whats happening is that since I've been living and doing things out of fear I'm starting to cave in. The stress is getting overwhelming.

You cant stress out about everything..just when you pray say God forgive me for the things that I have done..help me to do the right thing...there are two types of fear reverence and bad fear..we are to reverence God . Acknowledge His power and authority...but God loves us , He is our father...he doesnt want us to be afraid of him in the negative instant that you are talking about....in a relationship just like anyone else ...when you love someone you seek to please them and not hurt them..why out of the love you have for them and the respect that you have for your relationship..it is the same with God...you do what you ..you live a life for God out of love and out of appreciation of what he did for you...God isnt asking for alot...some people might think he is..but your relationship with God...is your life...it inhabits my every decision i make, how i live my life is based on my relationship with Him...you really need to get to know Him personally. Here is a scripture for you:

"For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the Lord, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope. - ( Jeremiah 29:11)"
 
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Well first of all I have never understood what people mean when you surrender to Jesus. It's so hard to think things calmly and be patient when hell is looming over you. Ok, I understand that pride is bad. If because of pride you put someone down or hurt someone in some way I would feel bad, and probably repent, but if I make a good play in soccer and someone compliments me I might feel good, and I don't see that as bad. Do I need to suppress any feelings of pride in that scenario, or forcefully respond "don't compliment me, it's all because of God"? I know I don't think I should. I don't want to build a big ego, but I got stress knots going down my back because of trying to supress pride, anger, etc. And sure it wouldn't be so bad if I could grow, take it at my own pace, but no. I better make sure I repent for all my sins or I'm toast.

And video games... so I want to play some video games with friends. And maybe I play for too long. I don't think that's terrible. Or watching southpark... I love to laugh. Sure they get carried out of hand sometimes, but do I need to forsake everything because of an over the top joke here and there.

Great... I let the cat out of the bag and now I'm gonna get people in here condemning me for watching southpark and playing violent video games...

Hi, If anyone condemns you here; judges you; ignore it. Yes, it is okay to have pride in your accomplishments; and what you said about pride after that you already know what is meant by a healthy pride and a pride that is prideful.

And though, even though you know to recognize between the two, I just want to say each one of us will struggle with pride and many many things all our lives, because it comes up here and there, such as you said, having pride over hurtful things to people isn't the best. But we will struggle with that.

If you feel it is okay for you to do whatever it is, then it is okay. If it is wrong, you know it's wrong.

Playing games and watching southpark doesn't mean it's wrong. If it were wrong for you, you would know it.

With anger, God says, don't let the sun go down on your anger, meaning let it go, as it hurts you, don't hang on to it, forgive, let it go.

There's a verse as well, for mans anger does not bring about the righteousness God desires. This tho is not about the type of anger you are talking about.

This is where say someone is angry over something and in that anger feel self righteous over it.. meaning better than another.

It's okay to be complimented, it's okay to be told you did great. In Christ we know when we've taken it all a step further. Or most times, as we dont' always recognize a lot of things about ourselves sometimes.

I know when I'm patting myself on the back and getting quite prideful and self righteous over stuff in a not good way. May take a bit of time before I notice it, but God doesn't fail, and the bible comes to mind fairly quickly, verses, which remind us of things, the Holy Spirit brings things to mind, as we do as well.

You know, I'm glad you mentioned surrender, because I meant to say further what I meant by it. Simply this, Jesus, I desire that my will be as your will, that you be in my life and over all that is in me.

And we do that daily, though, I surely don't, but I mean is how it is.. It's a daily surrendering to Jesus, but I believe I was speaking of an initial in coming to Jesus.

People come different ways. Some hear a message, and come to Jesus, they may pray or say something to God. Others may come from a different way, such as Paul, an outright call came to him and he as you read totally trusted Jesus with his life.

We all fail at totally trusting Christ as well. We may trust God for x but for y, well, no.. but we see these things as we grow.

That's probably what I mean about initial surrendering to Jesus, is Jesus I trust you with my life, my life is yours.

You are a very real person, and never ever give that up, always always be up front and honest like you are as many are not and often due to what flack they get and so they hide who they are as they are being judged by judgemental people. Ignore those, and keep being real, and wow, you sure were hard on yourself in your first post.

We all do grow at our own pace.. as I said, some come to Christ, and huge turn around, others change slowly, every one is different, and it's okay.

You can't repent for all your sins, for we don't even know the depth and breadth of them all. We are loaded with sin.. You can only change as you desire to as you give it over to God and say help me with this, I do want to change this, or I don't want to change this, please help my desire be your desire. But you can have a change of heart over all things, meaning, show me God, show me.

One time I asked God to show me all my sin. This was a long time ago. I had the worst nightmare ever in my life, and the reason I prayed that was heard a pastor suggest it in a sermon. I don't think the nightmare was from God, cause God doesn't condemn us..but I sure saw in that dream that there is much sin and always will be our struggle to strive to do as Jesus commands.

I'm jumping back now and so am adding text inbetween so some of what I'm writing is added and is out of where originally was..

On CF they've had many many threads on potter. What a waste of time condemning people for reading potter..

So you see, keep the wisdom you have to determine what is truth and what is not truth, what is right, what is not right. Jesus will always help you with this, the Holy Spirit will, and the more of the word we have in us the more we see and it's okay.

On CF there are threads condeming tons of stuff and the ones who do so do not see the pride and self righteousness in their own heart, and Jesus is about a heart change, and is a lifelong process and even in heaven we will grow much more as we will grow in God's love, as we will learn more and more about God for all eternity.

If you are angry, be angry. If you realize that you took your anger out on someone then you see, well not so good to do, and that's for anyone Christian or not. And just recall not to let the sun go down on your anger. And check it, see what it's about, what's the root of it, etc.

My brother says he gets very angry often, and was that way as a kid, and so is something he if desires to will work on much longer than say someone who doesn't struggle with such. I'm not saying you struggle at all with it, as you're just saying can't I be me, and yes you can.

Different personalities have different struggles. There are those who always easily roll things off and others who do not. There are those who easily can stop a habit, and others who can not. We're all different.

I don't think God wants hypocrites, I don't want to be a hypocrite, God wants real people to be real in my opinion, because that speaks louder than anything.

There are many many people in church who are one way at church and another at home. I would rather be how i am at home and be the same out in public. but see the world presses Christians and Christians presses Christians that they 'should' and 'ought' be a certain way.

Not so, we are who we are, and we grow in Jesus at different paces and are who we are all the time speaks louder.

It actually helps others in Christ and those not in Christ to be real. For in that they can see that we are so, and that speaks volumes.

But on this forum, you may get lots of stuff because of such, but again not to worry; nor give it a second thought.

People do not know often times what they are doing when they are judging others, they learn it from their pastor, or church, or is how they grew up, and just do the same, not seeing it's wrong, cause is what they know.

Doesn't mean they are bad, it's just where they are, and everyone is in a different place.

A person who is a racist comes to Christ and that may never change about that person. That person may never give that over to Jesus, may not ever see it being wrong. May actually think is rather the right way to be.

Others will see it, but the person who is a racist may never think anything wrong about it. It's all what we give to Jesus and as I said, there's so very much.

We are loaded with sin, every one of us, and it's in our heart. Anyone can stop outward stuff or hide it.. But God desires the change of the heart.

That our will is aligned with Jesus's will.

Your will (God's) be done on earth as it is in heaven.

If a friend of mine calls and tells me they are sinning, they don't need me to tell them not to. They know what they need to do, they are just sharing what is going on, and their feelings about it, and I remind them of God's love for them.

They may need help to get out of the trap and can't see a way out. Some people will leave jobs to save their marriage. Some, change churches, if is a problem there with say a flirtation problem.

Same as they do for me, when I share something I'm sinning in, they know I know it's wrong, and we pray for one another, but again, only a trusted person.

God bless you again, and please write me anytime you like. There is also pastors here online on cf to talk to as well in confidence. If you need a name of one let me know.

There are ask a pastor forums, but I don't think they are up right now, due to an upgrade we've just had, and still working out the bugs on that.

Anyway, sorry for another long post..

take care,
tapero
 
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You guys love God. You are striving to be like Christ. You guys repent for your sins. Me on the other hand just want to leave. Maybe at one point I did want to be better, and had hope, but the deeper I got the more insane things got, and the more I just became bitter. Now I just hope God has mercy on me.

If your house is empty, swept and put in order, then you will be in trouble.

Yes I love our Lord Jesus Christ, and only because I was set free from captivity by a good GOD-anointed counsellor of the Healing ministry.

Peter, there are many before who have the same experiences that you are having right now.

The big problem is that single word called "CAN'T".

The closer that anyone gets to our Lord Jesus Christ, then enemy and his forces will come at you to stop any Christian from getting close to HIM.

That is why we run the "race of endurance".

Faith keeps us going, but our trust in our Lord Jesus Christ keeps us strong.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.
 
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You guys love God. You are striving to be like Christ. You guys repent for your sins. Me on the other hand just want to leave. Maybe at one point I did want to be better, and had hope, but the deeper I got the more insane things got, and the more I just became bitter. Now I just hope God has mercy on me.
hi peterparker :wave:
the good thing is u still have hope ;)
hebrews 11:1,psalm 72:12,1 peter 5:7,isaiah 26:3
 
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put the bible before your pastors and in more importance than other people's advice and opinions of you. don't make christianity an act in front of churchgoers, spend more time with the New Testament and letting it and prayers change you from the inside out. I had to stop attending the church I was baptized in after I started reading the Bible more, the churchgoers were actually too into themselves to care about following the Bible wholeheartedly, even though they went to Bible studies. A lot of people are going to church with wrong and evil motives, not because they are trying to follow God's plan for their life, it is more of for show or to look good. Don't try to please those fakers. Then keep studying the Bible, especially Jesus. After I started doing this, I had the Bible school teacher call me a "b----" at my home, she thinks that is godly behavior? I don't think so, and these fakers are the sunday school teachers. keep in the Bible and putting it into action and don't try to make the hypocrits happy, listen to the New Testament about what Jesus says about all that. and I learned to distrust most churchgoers and leaders from the New Testament, I was shocked when I really read the whole Bible. church attendance is not the path to heaven like the leaders want you to believe, follow Jesus.
 
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Hi Peter,

Well first of all I have never understood what people mean when you surrender to Jesus.
Surrendering to our Lord Jesus Christ basically means:

“I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.” (Rom. 12:1-3)

It's so hard to think things calmly and be patient when hell is looming over you.
When we are not free in our Lord Jesus Christ, then this is what happens to many.

Hell is not looming, Peter, because you are calling out for help. If you want to change, then you are the one who has to bend their knees, there is no “quick fix” for freedom from captivity. But, the answer is obedience and discipline to our Lord Jesus Christ. It all comes down to “hard work” and “sincerity”. When the rubber hits the bitumen, you can only go forward, or fall by the wayside.

Ok, I understand that pride is bad. If because of pride you put someone down or hurt someone in some way I would feel bad, and probably repent, but if I make a good play in soccer and someone compliments me I might feel good, and I don't see that as bad.
Mmmm, there appears to be a lot of going on here.

Well our Lord Jesus Christ hates pride, and I’ve usually found the proud people have a real problem in speaking these words to another person, such as: If you please; I am wrong; I am sorry; Please forgive me; I forgive you; and I love you.

When you say “soccer” are you referring to the sporting game of football or a video game?

Do I need to suppress any feelings of pride in that scenario, or forcefully respond "don't compliment me, it's all because of God"?
Mmm, giving glory to our Lord Jesus Christ isn’t pride, but “awe”. When you do play a good shot, do you thank HIM personally, and not brag about it.

When someone compliments me for anything or good shot, I say, “Thank you”, nothing more, nothing less.

I know I don't think I should. I don't want to build a big ego, but I got stress knots going down my back because of trying to supress pride, anger, etc.
Well mate, this is what happens when you are not walking in obedience and discipline of His Word and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Pride, anger, and bitterness are well described in His Word, and there are consequences. To get rid of this stuff that is festering inside of you, you need help from a good mature Christian/Counsellor who can guide and lead you to freedom.

With anger, it needs to be overcomed and conquered. Anger and bitterness feeds “Pride”. Now don’t let anyone say it’s okay to be “angry”, yes maybe spiritual “anger”, but offensive “anger”. (Read Matthew 5:21-27, and Ephesians 4:25-32!)

NOW WE ALL STRUGGLE WITH PRIDE at sometime of our Christian walk, and sadly many still haven’t overcome their pride. And most of us have been set free of it, but as I said earlier that if those three “Golden Little Words” are hard for some to speak, then pride is still their problem.

Here are a couple of verses that bring much to the attention of all, including “scoffers”.

Proverbs 28:25
He who is of a proud heart stirs up strife, But he who trusts in the LORD will be prospered.


Romans 1:28-32

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

1 Timothy 6:3-5
If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.

2 Timothy 3:1-5
But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!

1 Peter 5:5
[ Submit to God, Resist the Devil ] Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for “ God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”


Now please don’t think I am finger pointing, and trying to make it hard for you, but as you are concerned about the seriousness of it all, and so am I, and the truth will set you free (John 8:32).

You are being honest and showing your concerns about your problems, so please get help from a good mature Christian who has a good understanding and knowledge of “Spiritual Healing” of the inner-man.

And sure it wouldn't be so bad if I could grow, take it at my own pace, but no. I better make sure I repent for all my sins or I'm toast.
Well mate, patience and self-control are the start point. Then faithfulness, and gentleness will take you further, onto goodness and kindness. These are the “Fruit of the Spirit”.

And video games... so I want to play some video games with friends. And maybe I play for too long. I don't think that's terrible. Or watching southpark... I love to laugh. Sure they get carried out of hand sometimes, but do I need to forsake everything because of an over the top joke here and there.
His Word does speak about “being unequally yoked with unbelievers”.


I don’t know anything about “Southpark”, but I do believe there are a lot of concerned Christians who have much to say about it, and I won’t go there, because this isn’t a debate forum.

Great... I let the cat out of the bag and now I'm gonna get people in here condemning me for watching southpark and playing violent video games...
Well, here you are pouring your concerns out onto the forum requesting advice that you are a sinner, and troubled, and the next question I was going to ask you if you were obsessed with video games.

I have seen many troubled and controlled Christians in the same situation as you are, and all of them who were finally set free from captivity, and healed where those who preferred video games over a life as a Christian, and disregarded and rejected any spiritual knowledge or understanding from those who know the dangers and consequences of most video games, which I won’t go into detail.

“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge (and understanding). Because you have rejected knowledge (and understanding), I also will reject your from being priest for Me.” (Hosea 4:6)

There are many knowledgeable disciples advise struggling Christians with the spiritual knowledge and understanding of what causes Christians to respond in the same way as you are, and then those less watchful or deceived Christians will attempt put that advice down, and fob it off, without any knowledge of the seriousness of such practices, which are the “snare of the fowler”.

You have a problem, and only you can sort that problem out. You will not be set free from a “Christian Advice” forum.

Well Peter, with good foundation in His Word, and help from a good mature Christian, you will find you way the follow “The Way” with our Lord Jesus Christ.

Be blessed in Jesus’ Name.
 
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Also, as a believer, you have promises such as Phi 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. (Jeremiah 31:3 NKJV) The LORD has appeared of old to me, saying: "Yes, I have loved you with an everlasting love; Therefore with lovingkindness I have drawn you. Psa 64:10 The righteous will rejoice in Adonai; they will take refuge in him; all the upright in heart will exult."

Sounds like Psalms would be a good place for you to read.

Ask Him to let you realize His love for you. Have you seen “The Passion of Christ?” If you haven’t or haven't seen it in a while, please take the time to see it. That would be a start.

Spending time with Him includes a time of praise, petitions, then worship. You know getting our thoughts just on Him. I needed help to do that so I compiled a list of all His names and attributes and think about a few of those.

Eph 1:15-23 to you.
 
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I am so confused right now. Guys, thanks for trying to help anyway. I's hard for me to understand what's going on inside of me right now. Am I making things to hard for myself? Is playing video games and feeling good when you make a good play during a soccer game ok? Am I being legalistic? Or maybe it's true: I'm too wicked and too proud to understand and fulfill Gods commands. Maybe any pride at all is evil, and video games are an evil distraction? I don't know. It seems my mind and soul are being torn in different directions.

My pastors have told me that I might be legalistic. That I need to trust in God's love, and that playing video games and having fun are ok things. But I read the Bible and I read things saying that I must hate my life. I read black and white statements that say that if I willfully sin and don't repent I will be judged. How can I even repent for things I don't feel are bad? How can I even ask God to help me repent for things I don't feel are bad?

I have no idea who God is. Is he a caring father who has a plan, and will make things alright despite the fact that I see no hope for myself. Will he help me even though I have lost faith in him and any desire to follow him? Or is God more difficult to please and get help from? Am I lost, and only by being someone completely different will he come to my aid. Am I too proud, arrogant, evil, etc. that he just rejects me? I have been asking him for help for a while now. I'm here now at a cross roads and I don't know what to do, or what I CAN do.

As I feared following Jesus is very difficult. From what I understood it IS in fact constantly attempting to be perfect. To fight yourself at all times. I'm astonished at how you guys do it.

And everyone gives me a different opinion, with different formulas to fix my problem. Some I can do and bring me hope (Tapero), others crush me and make me lose faith. But who do I believe? Why should I believe Tapero over others? Just the other day I was looking for information on repentance. One good article brought me hope. It said repentance (and salvation) is the lords. That only God's grace can help us. But then I read another article saying that we had to essentially practice external repentance all the time, and that there was alot of work to do. I have no idea who to believe.

Again, thanx for your advice, I hope you'll pray for me.
 
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