What are your thoughts?

[k4c]

Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect.

I've been taught over the years that the law here is referring to the Ten Commandments but in my recent studies I think I have found something interesting that I thought I would share with people of like minded faith.

All throughout Galations we find a heated discussion on circumcision.

Galatians 2:3 Yet not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised.

Galatians 2:7-9 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter. (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles), and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.

Galatians 2:12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision.

Galatians 5:2-3 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.

Galatians 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

Galatians 6:12-13 As many as desire to make a good showing in the flesh, these try to compel you to be circumcised, only that they may not suffer persecution for the cross of Christ. For not even those who are circumcised keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may glory in your flesh.

Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.

The whole purpose of circumcision was to separate a people for God who would inherit the promise. It identified the person as being part of the covenant people of God.

Listen to Ephesians.

Ephesians 2:11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

People of the circumcision were pressuring people who were not of the circumcision to become circumcised or they couldn't take part of the promise.

What was a law that came four hundred and thirty years later. If we continue with the context of Galatians why would the Ten Commandments come in?

The whole book of Galatians is referring to how circumcision is required for an outsider to become an insider. So where did they get the idea that outsiders needed to be circumcised? Was there a law added four hundred and thirty years later, regarding circumcision, in order to bring an outsider into the fold? I believe there was and it's not referring to the Ten Commandments.

Let me show you what I have found.

Exodus 12:40-50 Now the sojourn of the children of Israel who lived in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years. And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years on that very same day it came to pass that all the armies of the Lord went out from the land of Egypt. It is a night of solemn observance to the Lord for bringing them out of the land of Egypt. This is that night of the Lord, a solemn observance for all the children of Israel throughout their generations. And the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, "This is the ordinance of the Passover: No foreigner shall eat it. "But every man's servant who is bought for money, when you have circumcised him, then he may eat it. "A sojourner and a hired servant shall not eat it. "In one house it shall be eaten; you shall not carry any of the flesh outside the house, nor shall you break one of its bones. "All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. "And when a stranger dwells with you and wants to keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as a native of the land. For no uncircumcised person shall eat it. "One law shall be for the native-born and for the stranger who dwells among you.'' Thus all the children of Israel did; as the Lord commanded Moses and Aaron, so they did.

There was a law enacted, four hundred and thirty years later, to bring a stranger into the covenant people of God. This is why there has been such a fuss over why it was important for a non-Jew to be circumcised.

Galatians 5:11 And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased.

But we have a liberty that is found in Christ. We no longer need to be circumcised, which is that yoke of bondge, not the Ten Commandments. If we become circumcised to be accepted into the covenant promise we will have to keep the whole law, regarding circumcision, which is to be circumcised on the eighth day.

Galatians 5:1-6 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

Jesus is the Passover of the new covenant but there is no law of circumcision to follow to partake of the Jesus. Under the new covenant we become God's covanent people through faith in Jesus. In the new covenant neither circumcision or uncircumcision means anything but keeping the Ten Commandments does.

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

What are your thoughts?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Wow... the Word of God is amazing in interpreting itself... praise the Lord for revealing this.

The passage was key specific in saying at the end of the 430 years, that same day!... therefore the reasoning that the Law at Sinai was the one spoken of as coming after the 430 years is proven patently incorrect...

 

[k4c]

Wow... the Word of God is amazing in interpreting itself... praise the Lord for revealing this.

The passage was key specific in saying at the end of the 430 years, that same day!... therefore the reasoning that the Law at Sinai was the one spoken of as coming after the 430 years is proven patently incorrect...

This is very interesting..

Let's keep building on it.

To a Jew, circumcision was key. It identified them and separated them as the covenant people.

Acts 11:2-3 And when Peter came up to Jerusalem, those of the circumcision contended with him, saying, "You went in to uncircumcised men and ate with them!'' ''

It made them unique from all the other people of the world. They even had a sense of pride in the fact that they were of the circumcision.

They were even trying to force people to be circumcised in order to be saved.

Acts 15:1 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.''

Circumcision was a dividing wall that separated Jews and non-Jews. They fought for this right.

Acts 15:5 Some of the believers had belonged to the Pharisee sect. They stood up and claimed, "The non-Jewish believers must be circumcised. We must command them to obey the law of Moses!''

One of the accusations towards the disciples was that they were teaching against circumcision.

Acts 21:21 Our Jewish Christians here at Jerusalem have been told that you are against the laws of Moses, against our Jewish customs, and that you forbid the circumcision of their children.

Circumcision was very important to a covenant Jew. Anyone not of the circumcision was a stanger to the convenant of promise, they were counted as being without God and aliens to the commonweath of Israel. They were not part of Israel and the Jews made that very clear. Circumcision is the law, that ordinance that built a wall of division between Jew and Gentile, which Christ broke down and which reconciled both Jew and Gentile to God.

Ephesians 2:11-19 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been made near by the blood of Christ. For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of division between us, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,

But we, as new covenant Christians, are free from the law of circumcision and are brought near by the blood of Christ and made fellow citizens in the household of God through Christ, not by keeping the law of circumcision.

Galatians 5:1-6 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Notice also, the event that was instituted at the end of the 430 years and was a key type for the covenant promise was the observance of Passover. The fact that circumcision was tied to this feast is not by chance. When Christ fulfilled the Passover type, He also changed the requirement of outward cicumcision to inward circumcision, the new requirement for the improved covenant.

 

[k4c]

Notice also, the event that was instituted at the end of the 430 years and was a key type for the covenant promise was the observance of Passover. The fact that circumcision was tied to this feast is not by chance. When Christ fulfilled the Passover type, He also changed the requirement of outward cicumcision to inward circumcision, the new requirement for the improved covenant.

Amen...this is powerful.

I'm just beginning so there is much building and testing to do but watch this....

Circumcision was the sign of the promise. It was also a law that needed to be obeyed to be partakers of the promise. The Passover has to do with the sacrifice for sin, which is also deliverance from the bondage of sin.

Jesus is our Passover Lamb, He delivers us from the bondage of sin (Egypt) by purchasing us with His blood, not a bone of His was broken. Now read the symbolism.

Exodus 12:40-50 Now the sojourn of the children of Israel who lived in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years. And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years on that very same day it came to pass that all the armies of the Lord went out from the land of Egypt. It is a night of solemn observance to the Lord for bringing them out of the land of Egypt. This is that night of the Lord, a solemn observance for all the children of Israel throughout their generations. And the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, "This is the ordinance of the Passover: No foreigner shall eat it. "But every man's servant who is bought for money, when you have circumcised him, then he may eat it. "A sojourner and a hired servant shall not eat it. "In one house it shall be eaten; you shall not carry any of the flesh outside the house, nor shall you break one of its bones. "All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. "And when a stranger dwells with you and wants to keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as a native of the land. For no uncircumcised person shall eat it. "One law shall be for the native-born and for the stranger who dwells among you.'' Thus all the children of Israel did; as the Lord commanded Moses and Aaron, so they did.

Are we bought?

Are we then circumcised?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Romans 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

[Cribstyl]

In response to the OP #1 ..........Nimbly done, but not so fast...
Your'e doing exactly what your comments say that others are doing. ( da domino principle that, one fact causes a total colapse of your comments)

You're also playing "3 card monty" because circumcision is of Abraham and did not come 430yrs after.
(ECR's your loyal trusting companion said; "Wow... the Word of God is amazing in interpreting itself")
I cant but hold him responsible for reenforcing commentary over the written word of God.


If Paul is not teaching about the commandments in the Law, what does these questions and the scripture discussion relates to?
19 What purpose then does the law serve?

21 Is the law then against the promises of God?

The answers given in the context reveals that the law in question came because of trangression.
Did circumcision come because of transgression?

If SDA members would read the whole chapter a few times without commentary, it would be clear that Paul is talking about all the commandments in the law.


10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."
11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith."
12 Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them."

13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"),

14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Ask yourself, what law is being discussed?

 

[k4c]

In response to the OP #1 ..........Nimbly done, but not so fast...
Your'e doing exactly what your comments say that others are doing. ( da domino principle that, one fact causes a total colapse of your comments)

You're also playing "3 card monty" because circumcision is of Abraham and did not come 430yrs after.

You are quick to pull the trigger but no one said anything about the circumcision of Abraham coming 430 years after.

 

[OntheDL]

The book of Galatians focuses on the controversy of faith vs works.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Obviously law encompasses circumcision. I used to believe the 'law which was 430 years later' is the ceremonial law since the 10 commandments are eternal until I found that the Galatians discussion was a part of the 1888 controversy and how Ellen White responded.

Chap. 31 The Law in Galatians
I am asked concerning the law in Galatians. What law is the schoolmaster to bring us to Christ? I answer: Both the ceremonial and the moral code of ten commandments. {1SM 233.1}

Christ was the foundation of the whole Jewish economy. The death of Abel was in consequence of Cain's refusing to accept God's plan in the school of obedience to be saved by the blood of Jesus Christ typified by the sacrificial offerings pointing to Christ. Cain refused the shedding of blood which symbolized the blood of Christ to be shed for the world. This whole ceremony was prepared by God, and Christ became the foundation of the whole system. This is the beginning of its work as the schoolmaster to bring sinful human agents to a consideration of Christ the Foundation of the whole Jewish economy. {1SM 233.2}

All who did service in connection with the sanctuary were being educated constantly in regard to the intervention of Christ in behalf of the human race. This service was designed to create in every heart a love for the law of God, which is the law of His kingdom. The sacrificial offering was to be an object lesson of the love of God revealed in Christ--in the suffering, dying victim, who took upon Himself the sin of which man was guilty, the innocent being made sin for us. {1SM 233.3}

In the contemplation of this great theme of salvation we see Christ's work. Not only the promised gift of the Spirit, but also the nature and character of this sacrifice and intervention are subjects which should create in our hearts elevated, sacred, high ideas of the law of God, which holds its claims upon every human agency. The violation of that law in the small act of eating of the forbidden fruit, brought upon man and upon the earth the consequence of disobedience to the holy law of God. The nature of the intervention should ever make man afraid to do the smallest action in disobedience to God's requirement. {1SM 234.1}

There should be a clear understanding of that which constitutes sin, and we should avoid the least approach to step over the boundaries from obedience to disobedience. {1SM 234.2}

God would have every member of His creation understand the great work of the infinite Son of God in giving His life for the salvation of the world. "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not" (1 John 3:1). {1SM 234.3}

When he sees in Christ the embodiment of infinite and disinterested love and benevolence, there is awakened in the heart of the sinner a thankful disposition to follow where Christ is drawing.--Manuscript 87, 1900. {1SM 234.4}

"The law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith" (Galatians 3:24). In this scripture, the Holy Spirit through the apostle is speaking especially of the moral law. The law reveals sin to us, and causes us to feel our need of Christ and to flee unto Him for pardon and peace by exercising repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. {1SM 234.5}

An unwillingness to yield up preconceived opinions, and to accept this truth, lay at the foundation of a large share of the opposition manifested at Minneapolis against the Lord's message through Brethren [E.J.] Waggoner and [A.T.] Jones. By exciting that opposition Satan succeeded in shutting away from our people, in a great measure, the special power of the Holy Spirit that God longed to impart to them. The enemy prevented them from obtaining that efficiency which might have been theirs in carrying the truth to the world, as the apostles proclaimed it after the day of Pentecost. The light that is to lighten the whole earth with its glory was resisted, and by the action of our own brethren has been in a great degree kept away from the world. {1SM 234.6}

The law of ten commandments is not to be looked upon as much from the prohibitory side, as from the mercy side. Its prohibitions are the sure guarantee of happiness in obedience. As received in Christ, it works in us the purity of character that will bring joy to us through eternal ages. To the obedient it is a wall of protection. We behold in it the goodness of God, who by revealing to men the immutable principles of righteousness, seeks to shield them from the evils that result from transgression. {1SM 235.1}

We are not to regard God as waiting to punish the sinner for his sin. The sinner brings the punishment upon himself. His own actions start a train of circumstances that bring the sure result. Every act of transgression reacts upon the sinner, works in him a change of character, and makes it more easy for him to transgress again. By choosing to sin, men separate themselves from God, cut themselves off from the channel of blessing, and the sure result is ruin and death. {1SM 235.2}

The law is an expression of God's idea. When we receive it in Christ, it becomes our idea. It lifts us above the power of natural desires and tendencies, above temptations that lead to sin. "Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them" (Psalm 119:165)-- cause them to stumble. {1SM 235.3}

There is no peace in unrighteousness; the wicked are at war with God. But he who receives the righteousness of the law in Christ is in harmony with heaven. "Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other" (Psalm 85:10).--Letter 96, 1896. {1SM 235.4}

 

[Cribstyl]

You are quick to pull the trigger but no one said anything about the circumcision of Abraham coming 430 years after.

Sorry to seem argumentive, but this is serious and important.
I read your argument and I've deligently studied your words.
Your intial comments suggests that the ten commandments is not what Gal3:17 is talking about. What should we do with the context that's clearly identifies the whole law?

I will not let anyone spin me away from Gal 3:17 and Gal 3 with heartfelt commentary.

I think you're missing the fact that the promises God gave Abraham did not have the ten commandments attached or the promises would be conditional on keeping the law and therefore God's promise was empty words. That why the text is explaining that the law comming 430yrs later does not negate or make the promises become conditioned on keeping the law.

Circumcision is the seal of the God's covenant promises to Abraham.
Circumcision was the only way a Jew or even a stranger could join the Children of Israel.

The text you posted from Exodus 12:40-50 exposes what commandments God required the strangers who would sojourned with the COI would have to keep. It seem evident that sabbath was not given as yet or it would be mentioned.
How could God mention Passover and circumcision for the stranger and foreigner and not the socalled creation instituted sabbath?

Could it be possible that Sabbath was not given yet?
If it was something that being slaves after 300yrs made them forget, why would God reestablish circumcison and include strangers and not one word about the sabbath for anybody till He gave it to prove them?
It's easy to see and understand that God's rest would become a sign between God and Abrahams seed.




I expect commentary to go wild because people have to ignor the context or explain away God's words.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

(ECR's your loyal trusting companion said; "Wow... the Word of God is amazing in interpreting itself")
I cant but hold him responsible for reenforcing commentary over the written word of God.

I didn't know I was responsible to you.... thanx for the heads up.

 

[Cribstyl]

I didn't know I was responsible to you.... thanx for the heads up.

No, but we should all be accountable to everyone who asks, when handling the word of God.

Hey, I'm just saying.... if you're claiming new revelation and getting all exited you should be able to explain what you understand.

 

[k4c]

Cribstyl;Sorry to seem argumentive, but this is serious and important.
I read your argument and I've deligently studied your words.
Your intial comments suggests that the ten commandments is not what Gal3:17 is talking about. What should we do with the context that's clearly identifies the whole law?

The whole law includes the whole law.

I will not let anyone spin me away from Gal 3:17 and Gal 3 with heartfelt commentary.

I think you're missing the fact that the promises God gave Abraham did not have the ten commandments attached or the promises would be conditional on keeping the law and therefore God's promise was empty words. That why the text is explaining that the law comming 430yrs later does not negate or make the promises become conditioned on keeping the law.

I don't believe the Ten Commandments on stone is a new thing, but rather, an old thing that went with the fall.

Circumcision is the seal of the God's covenant promises to Abraham. Circumcision was the only way a Jew or even a stranger could join the Children of Israel.

Amen...

The text you posted from Exodus 12:40-50 exposes what commandments God required the strangers who would sojourned with the COI would have to keep. It seem evident that sabbath was not given as yet or it would be mentioned.

How could God mention Passover and circumcision for the stranger and foreigner and not the socalled creation instituted sabbath?

I believe God chose a people to reveal His will through to the whole world. This took time and didn't happen all at once. Just because people lied, stole, murdered, forgot the Sabbath and worshiped idols before Sinai does not mean they were not sins.

Could it be possible that Sabbath was not given yet?
If it was something that being slaves after 300yrs made them forget, why would God reestablish circumcison and include strangers and not one word about the sabbath for anybody till He gave it to prove them?

Why would God institute animal sacrifice before Sinai?

It's easy to see and understand that God's rest would become a sign between God and Abrahams seed.

The rest we get from Christ is a rest from struggling to be made acceptable to God, not a rest from obeying God out of love.

The seventh day was blessed and called holy before Sinai even if people didn't keep it holy. Marriage was sanctifed before Sinai even though people still commited adultery. I don't believe God instituted the Sabbath at Sinai, but rather, God made it known to the people He was teaching them, along with the other nine commandments.

Nehemiah 9:13-14 "You came down also on Mount Sinai, and spoke with them from heaven, and gave them just ordinances and true laws, good statutes and commandments. You made known to them Your holy Sabbath, and commanded them precepts, statutes and laws, by the hand of Moses Your servant.

I expect commentary to go wild because people have to ignor the context or explain away God's words.

And what do you call what you write?

We are not under the old covenant but we are under the words of Jesus. If we were under the old covenant we would be stoned to death for breaking God's Law. Jesus taught us how to love God and man using the principles found in the Ten Commandments.

Romans 13:8-10 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery,'' "You shall not murder,'' "You shall not steal,'' "You shall not bear false witness,'' "You shall not covet,'' and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'' Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

You have to learn how to look at the big picture in light of God's plan in it's totality and fit every verse in light of God's whole plan.

 

[Cribstyl]

The whole law includes the whole law.

I don't believe the Ten Commandments on stone is a new thing, but rather, an old thing that went with the fall.

What you claim to think negates a lot of scriptures.
Here are some scriptures and you should answer this question from Moses who wrote Genesis account.
ESV - Deu 4:8 -And what great nation is there, that has statutes and rules so righteous as all this law that I set before you today?
What's you answer to that question?

Deu 4:31 (For the LORD thy God [is] a merciful God he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
The fact that God is a covenant God, all that He has commanded men to do are written within His covenants.

Deu 4:32¶For ask now of the days that are past, which were before thee, since the day that God created man upon the earth, and [ask] from the one side of heaven unto the other, whether there hath been [any such thing] as this great thing [is], or hath been heard like it?
Deu 4:33Did [ever] people hear the voice of God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as thou hast heard, and live?


Deu 5:3The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, [even] us, who [are] all of us here alive this day.

I believe God chose a people to reveal His will through to the whole world. This took time and didn't happen all at once. Just because people lied, stole, murdered, forgot the Sabbath and worshiped idols before Sinai does not mean they were not sins.

Why are you confusing the issue, and that we're saying unrighteousness is not sin? The question I posed to you was about strangers being ask to keep circumcision anad passover and not Sabbath...YOU PUNTED.

Why would God institute animal sacrifice before Sinai?

Straw question designed to inject something that's not being taught. The fact that Abel was a keeper of sheep is why he brought a meat offering to the Lord. This fact may have a symbolic implication of atonement but commentary is trying to imply more than's is being taught.

The rest we get from Christ is a rest from struggling to be made acceptable to God, not a rest from obeying God out of love.

You're thinking again......God accepts and adopts us when we come to Him in faith not after we struggle to keep His law.

The seventh day was blessed and called holy before Sinai even if people didn't keep it holy. Marriage was sanctifed before Sinai even though people still commited adultery. I don't believe God instituted the Sabbath at Sinai, but rather, God made it known to the people He was teaching them, along with the other nine commandments.

Nehemiah 9:13-14 "You came down also on Mount Sinai, and spoke with them from heaven, and gave them just ordinances and true laws, good statutes and commandments. You made known to them Your holy Sabbath, and commanded them precepts, statutes and laws, by the hand of Moses Your servant.



And what do you call what you write?

We are not under the old covenant but we are under the words of Jesus. If we were under the old covenant we would be stoned to death for breaking God's Law. Jesus taught us how to love God and man using the principles found in the Ten Commandments.

Romans 13:8-10 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery,'' "You shall not murder,'' "You shall not steal,'' "You shall not bear false witness,'' "You shall not covet,'' and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'' Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

You have to learn how to look at the big picture in light of God's plan in it's totality and fit every verse in light of God's whole plan.

Sheece, good thing is; all I have to do is to live by every word that proceede from God's mouth not yours.

 

[taikachanz]

Romans 13:8-10 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery,'' "You shall not murder,'' "You shall not steal,'' "You shall not bear false witness,'' "You shall not covet,'' and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'' Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Sheece, good thing is; all I have to do is to live by every word that proceede from God's mouth not yours.

That did come from the mouth of the Lord. Paul is just repeating what Jesus stated. I wonder, do you believe Jesus is a liar? You must, you say the Sabbath has changed. If it has changed, if it is no longer valid explain. Matt. 5:18 For verily I say unto you,Till heaven and earht pass, ane jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."and Luke 16:17 "And it is easier for heaven and eatrh to pass, then one tittle of the law to fail." You're a smart man, afterall you're 51 years old, you've been around awhile, as have I. Tell me, are these true statements? If not then the God I love and worship is a liar, and if he is a lair then all my hopes are gone because I cannot trust what his word sais. But I don't believe that for one iota. So his word stands, these scriptures stand and the law stands.

 

[k4c]

What you claim to think negates a lot of scriptures.
Here are some scriptures and you should answer this question from Moses who wrote Genesis account.
ESV - Deu 4:8 -And what great nation is there, that has statutes and rules so righteous as all this law that I set before you today?
What's you answer to that question?

Deu 4:31 (For the LORD thy God [is] a merciful God he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
The fact that God is a covenant God, all that He has commanded men to do are written within His covenants.

Deu 4:32¶For ask now of the days that are past, which were before thee, since the day that God created man upon the earth, and [ask] from the one side of heaven unto the other, whether there hath been [any such thing] as this great thing [is], or hath been heard like it?
Deu 4:33Did [ever] people hear the voice of God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as thou hast heard, and live?

Deu 5:3The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, [even] us, who [are] all of us here alive this day.
Why are you confusing the issue, and that we're saying unrighteousness is not sin? The question I posed to you was about strangers being ask to keep circumcision anad passover and not Sabbath...YOU PUNTED.
Straw question designed to inject something that's not being taught. The fact that Abel was a keeper of sheep is why he brought a meat offering to the Lord. This fact may have a symbolic implication of atonement but commentary is trying to imply more than's is being taught.
You're thinking again......God accepts and adopts us when we come to Him in faith not after we struggle to keep His law.

Sheece, good thing is; all I have to do is to live by every word that proceede from God's mouth not yours.

You can believe whatever you want to believe. But I would like to warn you in how you interpret Scripture. You are falling into the same trap that Satan uses to draw people away from truth. You should not use verses to interpret the Bible, but rather, use the Bible to interpret the verses. For example: many people believe Gentiles don't have to keep the Sabbath because they were never told to. They will point you to Acts 15:19-20 as their proof text.

Acts 15:19-20 "Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, "but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.

So, as a Christian, all I have to do is abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood? WOW! This is awesome but the thing is, I was kicked out of my church last week for stealing money from the Pastor's desk. I pointed them to Acts 15:19-20 but they didn't go for it. Why is that?

The book of Acts was written years after Jesus, listen closely to what Simos says.

Acts 15:14-18 "Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. "And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written: 'After this I will return And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down; I will rebuild its ruins, And I will set it up; So that the rest of mankind may seek the LORD, Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, Says the LORD who does all these things.' "Known to God from eternity are all His works.

How God makes a people for Himself is by writing His Law in their heart.

Hebrews 8:10 "For this is the new covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

This is why when the Lord's name is used in vain on TV or wherever it bother's the people of God. It's not because the third commandment is written in stone, but rather, because it's written in the heart. Now lets continue in Acts.

Simon was talking about Gentiles who were turning to God. These were new converts. Instead of trying overload these new converts with all the ways of God's people he just told them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. Not because these were the only things required of Christians, but rather, probably because these were the big issues at that time where they were.

Read the verses carefully.

Acts 15:19-21 "Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, "but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.

If these are the only things we need to worrie about then why did I get in trouble for stealing? It's because these are not the only things they needed to know but that was not the time to teach all these new converts needed to know. So how would they learn the rest of what they needed to know? Well, let's continue reading.

Let me build on this a little from the prior verse. "We should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols..." Why not trouble them at that point? Because they would learn all the other stuff, such as stealing is a sin, when they attended church because that's where these things are being taught EVERY SABBATH.

Acts 15:19-21 "For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath."

 

[Cribstyl]

That did come from the mouth of the Lord. Paul is just repeating what Jesus stated.
I wonder, do you believe Jesus is a liar?

The statement I made simply means that the bible is the word of God. If you have problems with that understanding, review the 27fundermental beliefs. #1 The Holy Scriptures, Old and New Testaments, are the written Word of God, given by divine inspiration through holy men of God who spoke and wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. In this Word, God has committed to man the knowledge necessary for salvation. The Holy Scriptures are the infallible revelation of His will.
I wont be disrespectful and call anyone a liar before I clarify what they mean to say.

You must, you say the Sabbath has changed.

repost where I didI face these same tactic often from people who dont have biblical answers to present.

Since you're interjecting and introducing false statements I'll just walk away from your post.

If it has changed, if it is no longer valid explain. Matt. 5:18 For verily I say unto you,Till heaven and earht pass, ane jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."and
Luke 16:17 "And it is easier for heaven and eatrh to pass, then one tittle of the law to fail."You're a smart man, afterall you're 51 years old, you've been around awhile, as have I. Tell me, are these true statements? If not then the God I love and worship is a liar, and if he is a lair then all my hopes are gone because I cannot trust what his word sais. But I don't believe that for one iota. So his word stands, these scriptures stand and the law stands.

I'm tired of defending these tactics that put words in my mouth as if I'm calling God a liar, or that I've said sabbath has changed.
First of all, your understanding of those text may be skewed by the commentary that is often added to what is written.
I wont respond further to this offensive post.

Have a blessed day.

 

[Cribstyl]

You can believe whatever you want to believe. But I would like to warn you in how you interpret Scripture. You are falling into the same trap that Satan uses to draw people away from truth. You should not use verses to interpret the Bible, but rather, use the Bible to interpret the verses. For example: many people believe Gentiles don't have to keep the Sabbath because they were never told to. They will point you to Acts 15:19-20 as their proof text.

Acts 15:19-20 "Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, "but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.

So, as a Christian, all I have to do is abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood? WOW! This is awesome but the thing is, I was kicked out of my church last week for stealing money from the Pastor's desk. I pointed them to Acts 15:19-20 but they didn't go for it. Why is that?

The book of Acts was written years after Jesus, listen closely to what Simos says.

Acts 15:14-18 "Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. "And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written: 'After this I will return And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down; I will rebuild its ruins, And I will set it up; So that the rest of mankind may seek the LORD, Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, Says the LORD who does all these things.' "Known to God from eternity are all His works.

How God makes a people for Himself is by writing His Law in their heart.

Hebrews 8:10 "For this is the new covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

This is why when the Lord's name is used in vain on TV or wherever it bother's the people of God. It's not because the third commandment is written in stone, but rather, because it's written in the heart. Now lets continue in Acts.

Simon was talking about Gentiles who were turning to God. These were new converts. Instead of trying overload these new converts with all the ways of God's people he just told them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. Not because these were the only things required of Christians, but rather, probably because these were the big issues at that time where they were.

Read the verses carefully.

Acts 15:19-21 "Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, "but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.

If these are the only things we need to worrie about then why did I get in trouble for stealing? It's because these are not the only things they needed to know but that was not the time to teach all these new converts needed to know. So how would they learn the rest of what they needed to know? Well, let's continue reading.

Let me build on this a little from the prior verse. "We should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols..." Why not trouble them at that point? Because they would learn all the other stuff, such as stealing is a sin, when they attended church because that's where these things are being taught EVERY SABBATH.

Acts 15:19-21 "For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath."

Is that your final answer? Your responses never seem to followup on rebuttal to your post.
I posted my thoughts on what I believe are false statements and you just ignor my post and make up some more. Your claims in the OP (click)#1 appear to be that the law spoken of in Gal3:17 is about circumcision and not the ten commandments.
Your commentary and the text you posted are not saying the same thing.

 

[k4c]

I posted my thoughts on what I believe are false statements and you just ignor my post and make up some more. Your claims in the OP (click)#1 appear to be that the law spoken of in Gal3:17 is about circumcision and not the ten commandments.
Your commentary and the text you posted are not saying the same thing.

And you said the circumcision of Abraham didn't come 430 years later and I said we were not talking about Abraham.

 

[OntheDL]

And you said the circumcision of Abraham didn't come 430 years later and I said we were not talking about Abraham.

I think when the Jews (Paul here in Galatians) talk about the law, they rarely if ever refer to one ordinance (circumcision here). Almost always they talk about the Torah which is the whole law.

I would have to side with Crib here. Paul said in the same context that law was a schoolmaster that bring us to Christ and it was added after transgression. Invariably the bible is talking about the whole law. And Ellen White confirmed it on this specific controversy in 1888 that it is both the ceremonial and the moral law of the 10 commandments.