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ozso

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We've got to the point where people who feel that they are different don't have to hide in the closet any more. It wasn't that long ago that it was common not to even want to talk about it. And it's still a problem in some areas. There was a documentary on ABC a few nights ago based on the fact that no player in professional Australian Rules Football has come out as gay. It's as macho a game as you could imagine and the number of players in the league will guarantee you that some of them would be gay. But despite what the management of various teams say and despite programs that try to include minorities those that are gay feel obliged to hide it. And in rugby league, which is probably a step again in anyone's idea of masculinity, only one player has ever come out and that was after his playing days were over.

This is not healthy. Hiding your sexuality like this, pretending to live one life when internally you are living another is simply wrong. So we've reached a stage where there are less people doing this but we still have someway to go. I'll note that in women's sport, this is nowhere near the same problem.

So it is now beneficial to teach children, in an age appropriate way, that there are people who are different in the way that they choose the people they want to be with. If they're watching TV and, for example, Anderson Cooper is shown with his partner and their kids and say my grandson asks where Cooper's wife is and I explain that he's married to the other guy, then what I wouldn't want is him to react with disgust. And I happen to know that he wouldn't. What he might say is 'Oh, he's gay?' And that would be the end of it. So when kids of his age grow up, there's no stigma attached to being gay. Most people are straight, some people aren't. That's all there is to it. And both my grandkids (10 and 7) are aware of this. It's no big deal to them. Which is how it should be.

So it's nonsensical to say that they shouldn't be made aware of this. Just as they are made aware that some couples aren't married or that some couples divorce. It's part of life.
They don't need to be made aware of it on a consistent continual basis. They don't need to be immersed in it to get a good enough idea.
Besides most of this is trans now. Plain old gay people have faded into the background.
 
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Had a thought from another thread…what if homosexuality was a “sin” in the exact same way that going 10k/m/ph over the speed limit?

Would speeders get jail time?
Worse?
Would people long to speed and form private clubs to race their autos around willy-nilly?
Would the locals “allow” such a club?
The difference is the level of glorification.
 
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If someone doesn’t want everyone to know their sexuality then you should respect that and not try to get people to conform to your beliefs about the way things should be. It’s their decision, not yours or GLAADs or anyone else’s. While some people try to shame them into staying in the closet you are shaming them for not coming out. Respect their privacy. If they want everyone to know they will make that decision.No one needs to make it for them
Lots of people prefer to keep their personal lives private. I've always been single and don't date. Those who don't know me well might suspect I'm gay. And I couldn't care less. It's none of their business.
 
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Hard to say. I’ve never found anything in the Bible about speeding
That’s how thought-experiments works, we leave the known and verifiable and look into the realms of what-ifs.
If that’s not your cup o’ tea, fine.
 
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Yet, street racers are all the rage now, those speed-demons are after our children!
False equlivency. Most people agree that speeding is wrong. No one is vilified for saying speeding is wrong. Society isn't worshpping speeders. Speeders aren't demanding worship. Speeding isn't elementary school curriculum. There's no reckless dirver story hour for kids. Speeders aren't singing and chanting that they're coming for peoples children.
 
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That’s how thought-experiments works, we leave the known and verifiable and look into the realms of what-ifs.
If that’s not your cup o’ tea, fine.
As long as it's not comparing apples to oranges. Which whataboutisms often do.
 
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I had a neighbor that didn’t want anyone to know. I had someone proposition me then begged me not to tell anyone. I never exposed either one of them. I can’t imagine what it must be like to be in that situation.
Pretty grim I'd guess. You'd need to be on your guard all the time. Always afraid of being 'exposed'.
But is it normal? Will it ever be normal? Wouldn’t it endanger the survival of the species if it was normal? Can I ask a question like that without being called a homophobic bigot?
I think you're using the word normal as meaning par for the course or quite common. It isn't. But that a small percentage of the population will be gay is normal. Going back to my AFL comments, there are 18 teams and say a squad of 30 per team. That's 540 guys. With player turn over, retirements etc, the number would be well into 4 figures over the last few years. The chances that none of them are gay are so astronomically small as to be all but statistically impossible. So some must be. But they're all like your neighbour. Afraid of what workmates or team members or family will say.

And what is selected for in evolution is what is beneficial to the species' survival. Not producing offspring is obviously a disadvantage so even if there was a genetic component then it wouldn't happen.

But which prompts this observation. Let's say that it was shown to be 100% genetic. And for some reason gay people were more fertile than straight and they produced offspring at a greater rate - they might be bisexual in adolescence for example. Then straight people would be the small minority in society. They would be the ones berated by some people for wanting sex with someone of the opposite sex. 'Hey buddy, haven't you grown out of that yet? It's disgusting! Are you some sort of pervert?'

Maybe we'd fly straight flags and organise marches and sing satirical songs...
 
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That's all old news. The problems today don't really have anything to do with that.
What's old news? Gay people being denigrated for being gay? Well, yeah. Very old news. The problem is that it's not just old news. It's new news as well. BPPLEE's neighbour. Some of the hundreds of men that play AFL. Anyone who is scared to come out because of the sort of comments that we get in threads like this. Anyone who is afraid that they'll be thought of as paedophiles (honestly - that does happen).
 
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False equlivency. Most people agree that speeding is wrong. No one is vilified for saying speeding is wrong. Society isn't worshpping speeders. Speeders aren't demanding worship. Speeding isn't elementary school curriculum. There's no reckless dirver story hour for kids. Speeders aren't singing and chanting that they're coming for peoples children.
Exactly. We have just the opposite. From a very early age kids are taught about road safety. What is the right thing to do and what isn't. So if a kid tells her dad 'Hurry up, I'll be late for school' then he will explain about the harm that speeding can do (and you just reminded me that we had a character called Coco the Clown come around schools to do just that).

So we tell kids what is harmful. To themselves and to others. And we explain what isn't. And we teach them kindness and respect to everyone. Including gay people.
 
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Besides most of this is trans now. Plain old gay people have faded into the background.
How you have the nerve to say that when you started this very thread with a complaint about gay people being paedophiles. The source of which was a lie, was shown to be a lie in the first few dozen posts but which you refused to accept for hundreds more.
 
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What's old news? Gay people being denigrated for being gay? Well, yeah. Very old news. The problem is that it's not just old news. It's new news as well. BPPLEE's neighbour. Some of the hundreds of men that play AFL. Anyone who is scared to come out because of the sort of comments that we get in threads like this. Anyone who is afraid that they'll be thought of as paedophiles (honestly - that does happen).
If I was hanging around little kids I would expect people to be suspicious of me. Other than that no one has ever bothered me regarding my personal life. Strangers don't care. Co-workers know they can't. So that doesn't really leave anyone else except neighbors. And these days neighbors pretty much ignore each other, unless one is playing their music too loud.

Nome of which has anything to do with the LGBT obsession with other people's children.
 
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Well, I think that we could all agree on that. I just wish some people would abide by that.
Most do because people usually aren't interested in strangers. If I went out of my way to call attention to myself, it would probably be a different story. But I don't put on a show of being different. I practice "when in Rome" appearance and behavior. It's really not that difficult.
 
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If I was hanging around little kids I would expect people to be suspicious of me.
If you were doing it for no good reason without permission then yeah, of course people are going to be suspicious. Do you know anyone who does that?
 
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This thread had a clean up in the last two pages. Too much snark.

Keep in mind that threatening to report someone is considered as a violation of the Disruptive Behavior rule.
Accusing someone of lying is a violation of the flaming rule.
 
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