What are your thoughts on this?

[ozso]

I just said no more than any group that is being disparaged simply for who they are. That's your answer. So rather than keep poking and prodding and rewording questions until you get your gotcha, why not state your point directly. I'm really not into these games.

Okay I'll put it this way. It seems that LGBT is getting considerably greater promotion and adoration than other groups.

 

[Bradskii]

Okay I'll put it this way. It seems that LGBT is getting considerably greater promotion and adoration than other groups.

I guess you missed the sixties. But then I don't now see any negative comments about race in this forum for example. Well, explicitly stated anyway. Back then racial comments were common. I was as guilty as others were. Now there is still some work to be done, but the rearguard actions still being fought by dyed-in-the-wool racists are not equivalent to the war that was fought to get us to this point. So these days, with the exception of flashpoints like Floyd George there's less need for the black middle finger to society that said 'we're here, we're black and we're not going anywhere, so live with it'.

Now the Chicken Little advocates have picked another target. And the more that people beat down on them, the more pushback you'll get. Which surely must not come as a surprise to you. And just as people used to say 'Hey, I've got black friends - watch your mouth' and the overt racists gradually dissappeared from society, so that is happening today with our gay friends. People are calling out those that denigrate them for being gay. And it's having an effect. Because now you need a reason other than them being gay to criticise them. So the Chick. Lit. crowd are now trying to suggest that they're all paedophiles. And going to the extreme of editing videos to lie about it!

So yeah, it'll go on for some time. Action - reaction. Greater denigration - greater promotion. More hate - more love. More cruelty - more kindness.

 

[ozso]

I guess you missed the sixties. But then I don't now see any negative comments about race in this forum for example. Well, explicitly stated anyway. Back then racial comments were common. I was as guilty as others were. Now there is still some work to be done, but the rearguard actions still being fought by dyed-in-the-wool racists are not equivalent to the war that was fought to get us to this point. So these days, with the exception of flashpoints like Floyd George there's less need for the black middle finger to society that said 'we're here, we're black and we're not going anywhere, so live with it'.

Now the Chicken Little advocates have picked another target. And the more that people beat down on them, the more pushback you'll get. Which surely must not come as a surprise to you. And just as people used to say 'Hey, I've got black friends - watch your mouth' and the overt racists gradually dissappeared from society, so that is happening today with our gay friends. People are calling out those that denigrate them for being gay. And it's having an effect. Because now you need a reason other than them being gay to criticise them. So the Chick. Lit. crowd are now trying to suggest that they're all paedophiles. And going to the extreme of editing videos to lie about it!

So yeah, it'll go on for some time. Action - reaction. Greater denigration - greater promotion. More hate - more love. More cruelty - more kindness.

But it seems to have gone way beyond establishing that with LGBT. Or put another way, LGBT seems to be getting considerably greater promotion and adoration than Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, Jews etc ever have.

 

[Bradskii]

But it seems to have gone way beyond establishing that with LGBT. Or put another way, LGBT seems to be getting considerably greater promotion and adoration than Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, Jews etc ever have.

Well, if you think that's true you can complain about that as well.

 

[ozso]

Well, if you think that's true you can complain about that as well.

That's been the main complaint all along.

 

[Bradskii]

That's been the main complaint all along.

Your complaint is that they receive too much support because of the amount of abuse they get? Like being falsely accused of paedophilia for example? There was even a thread about that. That seems to be one of the main complaints. People keep saying 'they're coming for our children'. I'm sure you've seen that said. It's like a mantra. So much so that gay people use the exact term to rile up those who accuse them of it.

That's been the 'main complaint all along'. Don't let anyone try to tell you otherwise.

 

[ozso]

Your complaint is that they receive too much support because of the amount of abuse they get? Like being falsely accused of paedophilia for example? There was even a thread about that. That seems to be one of the main complaints. People keep saying 'they're coming for our children'. I'm sure you've seen that said. It's like a mantra. So much so that gay people use the exact term to rile up those who accuse them of it.

That's been the 'main complaint all along'. Don't let anyone try to tell you otherwise.

So the whole thing with drag queen story hour, drag queen Disneyland staff, LGBT curriculum in elementary schools etc, all of the stuff with LGBT targeting and involving children, is in retaliation for people saying 'they're coming for our children'?

Like "we're gonna show them how wrong they were for saying that by actually going after their children!"?

 

[Bradskii]

So the whole thing with drag queen story hour, drag queen Disneyland staff, LGBT curriculum in elementary schools etc, all of the stuff with LGBT targeting and involving children, is in retaliation for people saying 'they're coming for our children'?

Like "we're gonna show them how wrong they were for saying that by actually going after their children!"?

Telling children that there is more to life than you'd have them know

 

[ozso]

Telling children that there is more to life than you'd have them know

Telling little kids there's much more to sexuality than I'd have them indoctrinated in. And all out of revenge.

 

[BPPLEE]

Telling children that there is more to life than you'd have them know

Why is there so much emphasis on children? This is what people object to.

 

[ozso]

Why is there so much emphasis on children? This is what people object to.

Well based on my conversation with Brad, they got so tired of hearing people saying "they're coming after our children", they decided to get even by going after their children.

 

[Bradskii]

Telling little kids there's much more to sexuality than I'd have them indoctrinated in. And all out of revenge.

My laptop went awol yesterday and I didn't finish that post. What I was going to do was link you back to what @dzheremi said in a post in another thread. He said it a lot better than I could. It was in response to one of your posts so you must have read it. I'd ask that you read it again.

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I don't get how you can't see it as a really long complexed post in what's supposed to be an ordinary conversation. That's very subjective. I'm not really able to inhabit your mind and see how you'll take something in advance of posting it, nor am I responsible for how you'd rather digest or...

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[Bradskii]

Why is there so much emphasis on children? This is what people object to.

We've got to the point where people who feel that they are different don't have to hide in the closet any more. It wasn't that long ago that it was common not to even want to talk about it. And it's still a problem in some areas. There was a documentary on ABC a few nights ago based on the fact that no player in professional Australian Rules Football has come out as gay. It's as macho a game as you could imagine and the number of players in the league will guarantee you that some of them would be gay. But despite what the management of various teams say and despite programs that try to include minorities those that are gay feel obliged to hide it. And in rugby league, which is probably a step again in anyone's idea of masculinity, only one player has ever come out and that was after his playing days were over.

This is not healthy. Hiding your sexuality like this, pretending to live one life when internally you are living another is simply wrong. So we've reached a stage where there are less people doing this but we still have someway to go. I'll note that in women's sport, this is nowhere near the same problem.

So it is now beneficial to teach children, in an age appropriate way, that there are people who are different in the way that they choose the people they want to be with. If they're watching TV and, for example, Anderson Cooper is shown with his partner and their kids and say my grandson asks where Cooper's wife is and I explain that he's married to the other guy, then what I wouldn't want is him to react with disgust. And I happen to know that he wouldn't. What he might say is 'Oh, he's gay?' And that would be the end of it. So when kids of his age grow up, there's no stigma attached to being gay. Most people are straight, some people aren't. That's all there is to it. And both my grandkids (10 and 7) are aware of this. It's no big deal to them. Which is how it should be.

So it's nonsensical to say that they shouldn't be made aware of this. Just as they are made aware that some couples aren't married or that some couples divorce. It's part of life.

 

[RileyG]

Child “Mommy why is that man wearing a dress.?” Parent “ That’s not a man that’s a woman “ Child “Why does that woman have a beard?”

Totally wrong and inappropriate. Disney has lost their minds.

 

[BPPLEE]

We've got to the point where people who feel that they are different don't have to hide in the closet any more. It wasn't that long ago that it was common not to even want to talk about it. And it's still a problem in some areas. There was a documentary on ABC a few nights ago based on the fact that no player in professional Australian Rules Football has come out as gay. It's as macho a game as you could imagine and the number of players in the league will guarantee you that some of them would be gay. But despite what the management of various teams say and despite programs that try to include minorities those that are gay feel obliged to hide it. And in rugby league, which is probably a step again in anyone's idea of masculinity, only one player has ever come out and that was after his playing days were over.

This is not healthy. Hiding your sexuality like this, pretending to live one life when internally you are living another is simply wrong. So we've reached a stage where there are less people doing this but we still have someway to go. I'll note that in women's sport, this is nowhere near the same problem.

So it is now beneficial to teach children, in an age appropriate way, that there are people who are different in the way that they choose the people they want to be with. If they're watching TV and, for example, Anderson Cooper is shown with his partner and their kids and say my grandson asks where Cooper's wife is and I explain that he's married to the other guy, then what I wouldn't want is him to react with disgust. And I happen to know that he wouldn't. What he might say is 'Oh, he's gay?' And that would be the end of it. So when kids of his age grow up, there's no stigma attached to being gay. Most people are straight, some people aren't. That's all there is to it. And both my grandkids (10 and 7) are aware of this. It's no big deal to them. Which is how it should be.

So it's nonsensical to say that they shouldn't be made aware of this. Just as they are made aware that some couples aren't married or that some couples divorce. It's part of life.

If someone doesn’t want everyone to know their sexuality then you should respect that and not try to get people to conform to your beliefs about the way things should be. It’s their decision, not yours or GLAADs or anyone else’s. While some people try to shame them into staying in the closet you are shaming them for not coming out. Respect their privacy. If they want everyone to know they will make that decision.No one needs to make it for them

 

[Bradskii]

If someone doesn’t want everyone to know their sexuality then you should respect that and not try to get people to conform to your beliefs about the way things should be. It’s their decision, not yours or GLAADs or anyone else’s. While some people try to shame them into staying in the closet you are shaming them for not coming out. Respect their privacy. If they want everyone to know they will make that decision.No one needs to make it for them

I think that you misunderstand my position. I think someone's sex life or even who he or she is attracted to is none of my business. Or anyone else's. There's no way that I would want anyone to feel obliged to tell us what they get up to. But there's no reason for me for example to hide the fact that I'm straight and have been married for x number of years etc. It's nothing that needs hiding.

By the same token, if someone is gay and is married to someone of the same sex, or prefers their company then that doesn't need to be hidden either. To most of us it's no big deal. Someone being seen out with their partner or taking their partner to a party or moving in with them is just the way that people live. The sex of the couple is irrelevant. That's the point we want to get to, so that people don't have to hide it.

And yeah, I get that some people don't want it to be seen to be normal. They don't want people to treat it as being normal. And they don't want children being told that it's normal. They want it to be explained as being sinful. So what do I say? Tough luck? That's the way it is so you have to live with it? It simply is a part of life and that's what we teach our children. This is the way the world is. And treat everyone with respect. Be kind. Whether they are straight or gay.

 

[BPPLEE]

I think that you misunderstand my position. I think someone's sex life or even who he or she is attracted to is none of my business. Or anyone else's. There's no way that I would want anyone to feel obliged to tell us what they get up to. But there's no reason for me for example to hide the fact that I'm straight and have been married for x number of years etc. It's nothing that needs hiding.

By the same token, if someone is gay and is married to someone of the same sex, or prefers their company then that doesn't need to be hidden either. To most of us it's no big deal. Someone being seen out with their partner or taking their partner to a party or moving in with them is just the way that people live. The sex of the couple is irrelevant. That's the point we want to get to, so that people don't have to hide it.

And yeah, I get that some people don't want it to be seen to be normal. They don't want people to treat it as being normal. And they don't want children being told that it's normal. They want it to be explained as being sinful. So what do I say? Tough luck? That's the way it is so you have to live with it? It simply is a part of life and that's what we teach our children. This is the way the world is. And treat everyone with respect. Be kind. Whether they are straight or gay.

I had a neighbor that didn’t want anyone to know. I had someone proposition me then begged me not to tell anyone. I never exposed either one of them. I can’t imagine what it must be like to be in that situation.
But is it normal? Will it ever be normal? Wouldn’t it endanger the survival of the species if it was normal? Can I ask a question like that without being called a homophobic bigot?
I know a lot of people want it to be normal. I guess it depends on your definition of the word.

 

[ozso]

I think that you misunderstand my position. I think someone's sex life or even who he or she is attracted to is none of my business. Or anyone else's. There's no way that I would want anyone to feel obliged to tell us what they get up to. But there's no reason for me for example to hide the fact that I'm straight and have been married for x number of years etc. It's nothing that needs hiding.

By the same token, if someone is gay and is married to someone of the same sex, or prefers their company then that doesn't need to be hidden either. To most of us it's no big deal. Someone being seen out with their partner or taking their partner to a party or moving in with them is just the way that people live. The sex of the couple is irrelevant. That's the point we want to get to, so that people don't have to hide it.

And yeah, I get that some people don't want it to be seen to be normal. They don't want people to treat it as being normal. And they don't want children being told that it's normal. They want it to be explained as being sinful. So what do I say? Tough luck? That's the way it is so you have to live with it? It simply is a part of life and that's what we teach our children. This is the way the world is. And treat everyone with respect. Be kind. Whether they are straight or gay.

That's all old news. The problems today don't really have anything to do with that.

 

[Pommer]

Had a thought from another thread…what if homosexuality was a “sin” in the exact same way that going 10k/m/ph over the speed limit?

Would speeders get jail time?
Worse?
Would people long to speed and form private clubs to race their autos around willy-nilly?
Would the locals “allow” such a club?

 

[BPPLEE]

Had a thought from another thread…what if homosexuality was a “sin” in the exact same way that going 10k/m/ph over the speed limit?

Would speeders get jail time?
Worse?
Would people long to speed and form private clubs to race their autos around willy-nilly?
Would the locals “allow” such a club?

Hard to say. I’ve never found anything in the Bible about speeding