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If someone what's to vote for the Party that supports abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage, affirms the LGBT, is in favor of gun control, then I say THESE ARE THE REASONS NOT TO VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRATEIC PARTY. I am NOT voting for Trump, I am voting for the right for life, party. I ask how can a Bible believing Christian vote for a democrat?

And what? The US is not a theocracy. I prefer to have abortion kept legal. I don't have an issue with LBGT folks getting married...Christians did not originate the idea of marriage, and in the US, it's a legal thing at its core.

And yeah, I can see Jesus being ALL in favor of every unbalanced idiot on the streets having guns. Do you have ANY idea how stupid that sounds?

Oh, learning to spell might help your case just a wee bit...learning facts might help even more.
 
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GOD started marriage with Adam and Eve. Abortion is the law of the land. Hopefully women will see killing your baby is bad. Many abortions are because the timing is not right, I have enough children. We are luck our moms did not think that way about us. That aside, the Killing of babies in the womb is a sin according to scripture. many abortions are because of immoral sexual activity.

Guns don't kill anyone, people pulling the trigger do. When good people have no guns criminals will have them. If you don't want one don't have one. Chicago has one of the strictest gun laws, that sure works good. 4,000 people killed just so far this year.

Facts can be twisted as we saw last night. Spelling can be corrected, but killing a person either in the open or the womb can not be corrected.
 
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GOD started marriage with Adam and Eve. Abortion is the law of the land. Hopefully women will see killing your baby is bad. Many abortions are because the timing is not right, I have enough children. We are luck our moms did not think that way about us. That aside, the Killing of babies in the womb is a sin according to scripture. many abortions are because of immoral sexual activity.

Guns don't kill anyone, people pulling the trigger do. When good people have no guns criminals will have them. If you don't want one don't have one. Chicago has one of the strictest gun laws, that sure works good. 4,000 people killed just so far this year.

Facts can be twisted as we saw last night. Spelling can be corrected, but killing a person either in the open or the womb can not be corrected.

And ideas like those are some of the reasons I ran screaming away from Christianity...I can't do the "check your brain at the door" thing. And...there's no arguing with those who are so blind they will not see.

You want to live in a theocracy? Go move to Saudi Arabia. The USA is not a "Christian" country and if I have anything to say about it, it will NEVER be.
 
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Nevermind...there's no point in talking to people who have been willingly brainwashed into believing a bunch of baloney.

One day there will be a VERY LOUD collective popping noise of millions of people finally screwing their heads on straight (about half way through Trump's first term)
 
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And ideas like those are some of the reasons I ran screaming away from Christianity...I can't do the "check your brain at the door" thing. And...there's no arguing with those who are so blind they will not see.

You want to live in a theocracy? Go move to Saudi Arabia. The USA is not a "Christian" country and if I have anything to say about it, it will NEVER be.

You have crossed over the edge when you tell me to go to..... You can say IMO, but watch your words. You are an angry person, and what you have experienced does not other were involved in a place with mindless unthinking people. Too bad you did not do proper research before you went. I seriously doubt you have educated your self to the extent some of us have on Christianity.
 
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And ideas like those are some of the reasons I ran screaming away from Christianity...I can't do the "check your brain at the door" thing. And...there's no arguing with those who are so blind they will not see.

You want to live in a theocracy? Go move to Saudi Arabia. The USA is not a "Christian" country and if I have anything to say about it, it will NEVER be.
And you claim that your faith is Christianity?
 
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And you claim that your faith is Christianity?

By a basic definition of Christianity,Yes. By a fundamentalist, whacked out, legalistic, hateful definition, no.

I support equal rights for all.
I support that all people have the right to marry.
I support that a woman has the right to decide her own reproductive choices
I support robust social safety nets for all
I support universal health care for all
I support strict gun control and bans on certain weapons (although I have yet to figure out what guns have to do with Christianity).

Now...just because my brand of Christianity doesn't match yours doesn't mean anything other than it doesn't match. Go ahead and tell me what a nasty, wretched, non-Christian I am.

I am angry that my country has been co-opted by "Christians" who insist that the US is a "Christian" country and don't understand that there is no official religion in the US, that "Christians" have been responsible for reprehensible behavior towards minorities throughout US history.

Facts are facts. Historical facts are historical facts. That's the way it is.
 
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I am angry that my country has been co-opted by "Christians" who insist that the US is a "Christian" country and don't understand that there is no official religion in the US, that "Christians" have been responsible for reprehensible behavior towards minorities throughout US history.
Actually it would be a boon to the USA if it had really been co-opted by genuine Christians. Those who mistreated minorities were "pretend" Christians.

And the issue today is not whether "Christians" have been responsible for reprehensible behavior (since bearing the label of "Christian" does not make people Christians). The issue today is that the left-liberals have hijacked America and the principles on which it was founded. They have even hijacked the Republicans, since most of them are now RINOs. The Democrats and the leftists have promoted every evil and perversion, and even the KKK was a creation of the Democrats. BLM has nothing to do with racial justice but everything to do with chaos and the promotion of hatred and civil unrest to tear apart America.

What America is facing today is (1) Jihad from Radical Islam, (2) a known criminal seeking the highest office of the land and (3) the globalist elites seeking to take down the USA. So deflecting attention to Christians and their alleged crimes is another attempt by the left to escape the searchlight of truth. Even this last debate was a RIGGED DEBATE but Trump did not call it out immediately (he should have walked away or even refused to let Lester Holt get involved). The whole idea was to make Hillary look good instead of dealing with the facts (which you are so keen about). In spite of these shenanigans, Trump acutally gained supporters.
 
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(since bearing the label of "Christian" does not make people Christians).

Ahhh...the "no true Scotsman" argument. It's been tried, it's tired. It's bogus.

The whole idea was to make Hillary look good instead of dealing with the facts (which you are so keen about)

What facts? Can you tell me which facts?

Why do you assume I support either candidate? I think they're both wrong.

The US is not going to go down from "radical Jihad"...that's a bogus argument, a false flag to turn attention away from real issues. What will kill the US will be much of what brought about the French Revolution.

But then again...for most Christians, history is not their strong point.
 
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By a basic definition of Christianity,Yes. By a fundamentalist, whacked out, legalistic, hateful definition, no.

I support equal rights for all.
I support that all people have the right to marry.
I support that a woman has the right to decide her own reproductive choices
I support robust social safety nets for all
I support universal health care for all
I support strict gun control and bans on certain weapons (although I have yet to figure out what guns have to do with Christianity).

Now...just because my brand of Christianity doesn't match yours doesn't mean anything other than it doesn't match. Go ahead and tell me what a nasty, wretched, non-Christian I am.

I am angry that my country has been co-opted by "Christians" who insist that the US is a "Christian" country and don't understand that there is no official religion in the US, that "Christians" have been responsible for reprehensible behavior towards minorities throughout US history.

Facts are facts. Historical facts are historical facts. That's the way it is.
I'm not going to tell you that you are a "nasty, wretched, non-Christian." I don't know your heart. God knows your heart. The only thing that I know is what you have told me here. And if all that is true, then the only thing that I can say is, all of what you have typed here does not align with the Word of God. If you want to be a true Christian you need to know the truth of Gods Word, believe it and live it.
 
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I'm not going to tell you that you are a "nasty, wretched, non-Christian." I don't know your heart. God knows your heart. The only thing that I know is what you have told me here. And if all that is true, then the only thing that I can say is, all of what you have typed here does not align with the Word of God. If you want to be a true Christian you need to know the truth of Gods Word, believe it and live it.

Sez you.
Please point out to me where Jesus tried to change a culture by becoming political and attempting to force people to follow His words. Also, please point out to me where Jesus said anything about having a weapon was a Christian ideal.

Thank you.
And, while you're telling me what I need to be a "true Christian", I'd like to remind you that the New Testament is amazingly silent on many of the issues brought up in this thread. Again...the USA is NOT a Theocracy nor is it a "Christian" nation. Once you understand the difference between rights granted by the US Constitution and the bible, you'll be well on your way to understanding that the US is not a Christian nation. Christians do not deserve to have their agenda forced down the throats of the rest of us who do not believe as they do...The Constitution gives certain rights to people, and those rights are SECULAR and have nothing to do with the bible. The problem is that there are militant Christians who don't understand this...and want to force a theocracy on those of us who enjoy our freedoms.
 
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Sez you.
Please point out to me where Jesus tried to change a culture by becoming political and attempting to force people to follow His words. Also, please point out to me where Jesus said anything about having a weapon was a Christian ideal.

Thank you.
And, while you're telling me what I need to be a "true Christian", I'd like to remind you that the New Testament is amazingly silent on many of the issues brought up in this thread. Again...the USA is NOT a Theocracy nor is it a "Christian" nation. Once you understand the difference between rights granted by the US Constitution and the bible, you'll be well on your way to understanding that the US is not a Christian nation. Christians do not deserve to have their agenda forced down the throats of the rest of us who do not believe as they do...The Constitution gives certain rights to people, and those rights are SECULAR and have nothing to do with the bible. The problem is that there are militant Christians who don't understand this...and want to force a theocracy on those of us who enjoy our freedoms.
There hasn't been a theocracy in this world since God gave Samuel permission to give the Nation of Israel a King.

Your anger is impressive.
 
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Your anger is impressive.

Oh...it's "anger" when I point out the sheer stupidity of the argument? You can't take me, a woman, taking you to task and requiring you to back up what you say? You have an interesting definition of anger. But, I guess that's what you call it when I haven't caved to the idiocy I see and hear every day from those who claim to believe in the One who said "Love one another as I have loved you" and told his followers that those who did not reach out to help others would end up in that really hot place...yet they keep going and going in their way.
 
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By a basic definition of Christianity,Yes. By a fundamentalist, whacked out, legalistic, hateful definition, no.

I support equal rights for all.
I support that all people have the right to marry.
I support that a woman has the right to decide her own reproductive choices
I support robust social safety nets for all
I support universal health care for all
I support strict gun control and bans on certain weapons (although I have yet to figure out what guns have to do with Christianity).

Now...just because my brand of Christianity doesn't match yours doesn't mean anything other than it doesn't match. Go ahead and tell me what a nasty, wretched, non-Christian I am.

I am angry that my country has been co-opted by "Christians" who insist that the US is a "Christian" country and don't understand that there is no official religion in the US, that "Christians" have been responsible for reprehensible behavior towards minorities throughout US history.

Facts are facts. Historical facts are historical facts. That's the way it is.

By what the Bible says, and what you say you believe, there seems to be some discrepancy between the two, IMO. Suggest you read John 13:34,35. Then tell me how you see how it fits with how you attack, and belittle others, Does only your opinion count? Do you have the right to bitterly diminish and destroy others who don't see things just like you? I can't help but wonder why you are so bitter with Christians who don't quite agree with you?

You really feel that killing babies in the womb is acceptable to god? He said you shall mot murder.
God said marriage is between a man and a woman. You don't agree?
How would you suggest I kill a wild dog that someone dropped off, and has not eaten for a week or more, that is ready to attack my chickens or baby goats, or my pet dag that weighs 4 pounds? Club it to death while it bites the crap out of me, my wife or grandchild? Some of us gun / Rifle owners have to own a weapon! When you take away all guns what do you expect will happen? Maybe cops will be more responsible?
 
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You really feel that killing babies in the womb is acceptable to god? He said you shall mot murder.
Go back and study Jewish tradition and law again. Understand that the big "right to life" thing was an effort to galvanize christians to join the republican party, to stand AGAINST other issues of the time. See "the southern solution" for more information...y'all been brainwashed and you're all too blind to see it.
God said marriage is between a man and a woman. You don't agree?
In the USA, the 14th amendment to the constitution states that ALL have equal protection under the law, that protection extends to marriage and the right to marry. Sorry, "God" has nothing to do with secular law. Don't like it? Don't marry a gay person.
How would you suggest I kill a wild dog that someone dropped off, and has not eaten for a week or more, that is ready to attack my chickens or baby goats, or my pet dag that weighs 4 pounds? Club it to death while it bites the crap out of me, my wife or grandchild? Some of us gun / Rifle owners have to own a weapon! When you take away all guns what do you expect will happen? Maybe cops will be more responsible?
You come up with some insane examples. But, it's about what I expect.
 
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I suggest you read her profile "information" that pretty much says it all.

My profile, huh? Well...if you don't like it...tough stuff. I do not have to identify as YOUR type of "Christian" to claim to be a Christian...you do not hold the SOLE definition of Christian.
 
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http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/l...-be-a-christian-and-vote-for-donald-trump.ece

Pieper and Henderson: 10 reasons you can’t be a Christian and vote for Donald Trump


1. He lacks compassion.

The Bible says: “As God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience.” (Colossians 3:12)

On this point, we could cite Mr. Trump’s many instances of inflammatory rhetoric against immigrants and Muslims, his record of discriminatory housing practices, his public cruelty to ex-spouses or his sensational and mean-spirited feuds with other celebrities as evidence of his lack of compassion. But consider a recent AP-GfK poll showing that among Republicans, he is largely believed to lack compassion. And bear in mind, these are the people most likely to view him favorably. Many of those voters polled expressed this was not a concern. But for Christians, an unrepentant lack of compassion suggests that the man does not seek to please God or lead according to His will.



2. He appeals to fear and anger.

The Bible says: “There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear; for fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not reached perfection in love.”(1 John 4:18)

The Bible says: “But I say to you that if you are angry with a brother or sister, you will be liable to judgment; and if you insult a brother or sister, you will be liable to the council; and if you say, ‘You fool,’ you will be liable to the hell of fire.” (Matthew 5: 22)

The recent attacks in San Bernadino and Paris are undeniably troubling. Meanwhile, more Americans are finding the changing economy an increasingly hostile and unforgiving place. Americans’ fears are existential and not without warrant. But Christians are called to love without fear. Mr. Trump has chosen to make immigration and the economy central themes of his campaign and his rhetoric surrounding these issues consistently appeals to fear and anger, absent appeals to love. Most notoriously, he chose to characterize Hispanic immigrants as rapists. Regardless of our policy convictions around the place of undocumented immigrants, this broad characterization is cynically aimed to incite fear and anger. His recent endorsement by the white supremacist American Freedom Party is the fruit of this rhetoric. It is also a callous and hostile way to characterize people, some of whom are our brothers and sisters in Christ, all of whom are God’s children.



3. He is enamored with “greatness” and ego, but has no concern for “goodness” or service.

The Bible says: “Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. Blessed are the merciful, for they will receive mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.” (Matthew 5: 5-8)

In The Narcissist Next Door, author Jeffrey Kluger suggests Trump is a classic narcissist. Some might say that running for office encourages this sort of thing. But narcissism might be the most dangerous condition for a Christian — without humility and self-effacement, we are incapable of modeling Jesus’ behavior, we allow no space for the Holy Spirit to bless our relationships, and we are unable to receive or revel in the goodness of God. Ask yourself the last time you saw a public expression of humility from Mr. Trump.



4. He lies — a lot.

The Bible says: “Beware then of useless grumbling, and keep your tongue from slander; because no secret word is without result, and a lying mouth destroys the soul.” (Wisdom 1:11)

According to Pulitzer Prize winning truth-checkers Politifact, which compares candidate statements to evidence, Trump’s statements are verifiably false 76 percent of the time. Among these is this infamous lie about 9/11: “I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as [the World Trade Center] was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering.” Not only is this pattern of dishonesty troubling for religious believers, it should disturb any citizen contemplating a vote for the most powerful office on the planet. Lying was enough to get two presidents impeached. Christian or not, telling the truth less than one-quarter of the time while a candidate is the reddest of flags.



5. He is hostile to women.

The Bible says: “But now you must get rid of all such things—anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive language from your mouth.” (Colossians 3:8)

Trump’s feud with Fox News host Megyn Kelly is now the stuff of legend, but what prompted the tension initially were his documented remarks about women, which Kelly reiterated during the Aug. 6 GOP debate: “You’ve called women you don’t like ‘fat pigs,’ ‘dogs,’ ‘slobs,’ and ‘disgusting animals.’” Trump has said the remarks were taken out of context.



6. He speaks about his daughter in a disrespectful and sexualized way.

The Bible says: “Do you have daughters? Be concerned for their chastity, and do not show yourself too indulgent with them.” (Sirach 7:24)

In a 2006 interview with Rolling Stone, when asked about the idea of his daughter posing for Playboy, Trump replied, “I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.” For a self-identified Presbyterian, such a statement is hard to square with Calvinist sexual ethics.



7. He does not attempt to love his enemies, but instead cultivates antagonism.

The Bible says: “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous.” (Matthew 5:43-48)

Trump’s “plans” for dealing with adversaries involve heavy and immediate use of force. Regarding ISIS, he told Fox & Friends on Dec. 2, “I would knock the hell out of ISIS… [and] when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families.” Most military and diplomatic experts quickly retorted that such tactics used a decade ago were precisely what created ISIS. Apart from the strategic factors, such an approach to handling enemies, one that vindictively aims to punish the potentially innocent, is 100 percent counter to one of the core tenets of Jesus’ teaching.



8. He does not model sacrifice or altruism.

The Bible says: “But many who are first will be last, and the last will be first.” (Matthew 19:30)

Perhaps Mr. Trump’s most credible qualification for the presidency is his prodigious business success, about which he never fails to remind us. However, Christians must consider how he made his fortune. Rather than invest in companies who provide goods and services which contribute to the prosperity of the Americans he seeks to lead, he has invested heavily in casino gambling. He gave his name to a sham university, defrauding students in the process. He has lobbied for and exploited imminent domain laws to muscle people off their property, most notably a New Jersey widow. Much has been made of his companies’ multiple bankruptcies; more damning, though, is the fact that when his mortgage company failed, he denied responsibility, saying that he only let the company use his name. His business dealings do not suggest a willingness to place the fortunes of others ahead of his own, nor the integrity to accept responsibility.



9. He doesn’t seem to care about the poor.

The Bible says: “Jesus said to him, ‘If you wish to be perfect, go, sell your possessions, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.’” (Matthew 19:21)

Trump’s policy ideas across the board are shockingly thin, typical of demagogues. On the issues of poverty, hunger, and oppression, topics everyone from Jesus to Jeremiah cared a great deal about, Trump is deafeningly silent. This alone is unacceptable. To be fair, though, here is one of Trump’s few but fairly specific plans for helping the disadvantaged: “Teenage mothers [shouldn’t] get public assistance unless they jump through some pretty small hoops. Making them live in group homes makes sense.” His best 21st-century idea is the worst of 18th-century ideas.



10. His love of money is more apparent than his love of God or others.

The Bible says: “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.” (Matthew 6:24)

“My whole life I’ve been greedy, greedy, greedy,” Trump said at recent rally. “I’ve grabbed all the money I could get. I’m so greedy.” The spiritual concern here is not so much greed, but the misplaced priorities that his statement reveals. He has made the pursuit of material wealth an idol and worshipped it his entire life. Trump has forgotten the source of all wealth, the Creator of all abundance, and instead deifies the gifts of God rather than God himself. No moral offense receives so many warnings in both the Old and New Testament as idolatry. Trump’s confession of this addiction is a good first step, but he hardly seems repentant. On many campaign issues, he appears to have recently found religion — but apparently not this one.

It’s a free country, thank God. You can vote for whoever you want. But for the Christian, this freedom is always constrained. Followers of Christ have taken up a yoke. And though it is light, it is not easy or common. This yoke ties all Christians, in all their perplexing diversity, to love, mercy, sacrifice, and justice. Voting, often thought of as a mere civic duty, is in this light, also a sacred act. It is the most powerful public expression of private values that most of us will ever harness. Let us cast all of our votes for love.
Absolutely superb post. Trump is pathologically narcissistic. Psychologists have publicly warned us so. But I can't vote for Hillary either. This is one of those elections that I have to vote for a third party candidate, even though they have no chance of winning. I'm going American Solidarity Party.
 
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Go back and study Jewish tradition and law again. Understand that the big "right to life" thing was an effort to galvanize christians to join the republican party, to stand AGAINST other issues of the time. See "the southern solution" for more information...y'all been brainwashed and you're all too blind to see it.
In the USA, the 14th amendment to the constitution states that ALL have equal protection under the law, that protection extends to marriage and the right to marry. Sorry, "God" has nothing to do with secular law. Don't like it? Don't marry a gay person.

You come up with some insane examples. But, it's about what I expect.

Well if I came with what you expected, then It seems stupid to respond to you. By, see ya around. I am done!
 
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