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You should vote for Trump simply because Hillary wants to obliterate you. If that is not reason enough, then God help America.

hahaha, I just had to laugh as soon as I read this --- it is so true....

but after that consider,
what makes you think anyone in office CAN STOP the pernicious world system from (trying to) obliterating CHRISTIANS ? (no matter who is in office)

Yes, YHWH is in charge.
YHWH is in charge when pilate .......
or caesar .........
or king so and so threw Daniel in the lions den etc etc etc etc
when world leaders followed the evil in their hearts to fight all the wars throughout history
and
slaughter ekklesia and non-ekklesia throughout history....
 
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For those who think that Trump is the "savior" of the US...please direct me to his policy positions, those he intends to work with, facts and figures. The best I can come up with is that his economic policies will add to the national debt and deficit.
 
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will add to the national debt and deficit.

Curious.
Have you watched what happened almost every year since 1933 ?

I did not. I did not care about it.
So I had to look it up.

That's why I don't trust, never did trust, any politics nor politician.

YHWH says not to.

HE WAS FIRST WHY.

The obedience of the Christian to God ought to be unconditional.

Everything all the politicians do shows they are not trustworthy. None of them. None of the policies nor politics is trustworthy.
 
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For those who think that Trump is the "savior" of the US...please direct me to his policy positions, those he intends to work with, facts and figures. The best I can come up with is that his economic policies will add to the national debt and deficit.

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For those who think that Trump is the "savior" of the US...please direct me to his policy positions, those he intends to work with, facts and figures. The best I can come up with is that his economic policies will add to the national debt and deficit.

You sound like a battered wife who defends her sorry butt husband and thinks she deserves her bad treatment ..
 
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You sound like a battered wife who defends her sorry butt husband and thinks she deserves her bad treatment ..

say what? I'm asking for facts, figures, policy papers. What has that got to do with "a battered wife"?
 
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Yeah. Racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, Islamophobic, deplorable. When all else fails, hurl nasty epithets and hope that people will not investigate the real issues.

Just because somebody wrote an article/story and it's in a newspaper on TV or the Internet doesn't mean that it's accurate/true. Some folks just don't understand this their political ideology won't let them it rules their thoughts/lives...
 
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Because Trump has said he wants to put all Muslims on a registry. Trump has said he wants to keep a special watch on all Muslims. You do realize that all Trump needs to do is make Muslims wear a yellow crescent and he will have completed the Nazi circle, right? You wouldn't be afraid if the possible POTUS was following in the Nazi's footsteps regarding your ethnicity?

Besides the Holocaust, I suggest you also study McCarthyism and Japanese Interment Camps to see why a lot of Americans are sincerely afraid for their families that Trump will be elected.
 
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Because Trump has said he wants to put all Muslims on a registry. Trump has said he wants to keep a special watch on all Muslims. You do realize that all Trump needs to do is make Muslims wear a yellow crescent and he will have completed the Nazi circle, right? You wouldn't be afraid if the possible POTUS was following in the Nazi's footsteps regarding your ethnicity?

Besides the Holocaust, I suggest you also study McCarthyism and Japanese Interment Camps to see why a lot of Americans are sincerely afraid for their families that Trump will be elected.

Gun confiscation fits the Nazi bill
 
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Gun confiscation fits the Nazi bill

Good point, thank you for pointing out the similarity, I missed it. You are correct, before Trump had to start lying to court his base, he supported a ban on assault weapons:

Business Insider:
In it [his 2000 book The America We Deserve] Trump wrote, "I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons, and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun"

If Trump gets elected, I could see him renewing his call to confiscate your guns. If there's one thing we know about Trump, it's that he is willing to lie and deceive to get what he wants.
 
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say what? I'm asking for facts, figures, policy papers. What has that got to do with "a battered wife"?

It's the Trumpian version of pigeon chess.
 
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One last time...point me to his policy papers. Point me to his firm plans for the future.
Oh well, the debate is tonight...and neither one will have a teleprompter.

Dang, are you a prophet? Hillary was all about knowledge, preparation, and policy. Trump was all about bluster, bullying, and grandiose schemes with no basis in reality. Nice prediction. :oldthumbsup:
 
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http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/l...-be-a-christian-and-vote-for-donald-trump.ece

Pieper and Henderson: 10 reasons you can’t be a Christian and vote for Donald Trump


1. He lacks compassion.

The Bible says: “As God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience.” (Colossians 3:12)

On this point, we could cite Mr. Trump’s many instances of inflammatory rhetoric against immigrants and Muslims, his record of discriminatory housing practices, his public cruelty to ex-spouses or his sensational and mean-spirited feuds with other celebrities as evidence of his lack of compassion. But consider a recent AP-GfK poll showing that among Republicans, he is largely believed to lack compassion. And bear in mind, these are the people most likely to view him favorably. Many of those voters polled expressed this was not a concern. But for Christians, an unrepentant lack of compassion suggests that the man does not seek to please God or lead according to His will.



2. He appeals to fear and anger.

The Bible says: “There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear; for fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not reached perfection in love.”(1 John 4:18)

The Bible says: “But I say to you that if you are angry with a brother or sister, you will be liable to judgment; and if you insult a brother or sister, you will be liable to the council; and if you say, ‘You fool,’ you will be liable to the hell of fire.” (Matthew 5: 22)

The recent attacks in San Bernadino and Paris are undeniably troubling. Meanwhile, more Americans are finding the changing economy an increasingly hostile and unforgiving place. Americans’ fears are existential and not without warrant. But Christians are called to love without fear. Mr. Trump has chosen to make immigration and the economy central themes of his campaign and his rhetoric surrounding these issues consistently appeals to fear and anger, absent appeals to love. Most notoriously, he chose to characterize Hispanic immigrants as rapists. Regardless of our policy convictions around the place of undocumented immigrants, this broad characterization is cynically aimed to incite fear and anger. His recent endorsement by the white supremacist American Freedom Party is the fruit of this rhetoric. It is also a callous and hostile way to characterize people, some of whom are our brothers and sisters in Christ, all of whom are God’s children.



3. He is enamored with “greatness” and ego, but has no concern for “goodness” or service.

The Bible says: “Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. Blessed are the merciful, for they will receive mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.” (Matthew 5: 5-8)

In The Narcissist Next Door, author Jeffrey Kluger suggests Trump is a classic narcissist. Some might say that running for office encourages this sort of thing. But narcissism might be the most dangerous condition for a Christian — without humility and self-effacement, we are incapable of modeling Jesus’ behavior, we allow no space for the Holy Spirit to bless our relationships, and we are unable to receive or revel in the goodness of God. Ask yourself the last time you saw a public expression of humility from Mr. Trump.



4. He lies — a lot.

The Bible says: “Beware then of useless grumbling, and keep your tongue from slander; because no secret word is without result, and a lying mouth destroys the soul.” (Wisdom 1:11)

According to Pulitzer Prize winning truth-checkers Politifact, which compares candidate statements to evidence, Trump’s statements are verifiably false 76 percent of the time. Among these is this infamous lie about 9/11: “I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as [the World Trade Center] was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering.” Not only is this pattern of dishonesty troubling for religious believers, it should disturb any citizen contemplating a vote for the most powerful office on the planet. Lying was enough to get two presidents impeached. Christian or not, telling the truth less than one-quarter of the time while a candidate is the reddest of flags.



5. He is hostile to women.

The Bible says: “But now you must get rid of all such things—anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive language from your mouth.” (Colossians 3:8)

Trump’s feud with Fox News host Megyn Kelly is now the stuff of legend, but what prompted the tension initially were his documented remarks about women, which Kelly reiterated during the Aug. 6 GOP debate: “You’ve called women you don’t like ‘fat pigs,’ ‘dogs,’ ‘slobs,’ and ‘disgusting animals.’” Trump has said the remarks were taken out of context.



6. He speaks about his daughter in a disrespectful and sexualized way.

The Bible says: “Do you have daughters? Be concerned for their chastity, and do not show yourself too indulgent with them.” (Sirach 7:24)

In a 2006 interview with Rolling Stone, when asked about the idea of his daughter posing for Playboy, Trump replied, “I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.” For a self-identified Presbyterian, such a statement is hard to square with Calvinist sexual ethics.



7. He does not attempt to love his enemies, but instead cultivates antagonism.

The Bible says: “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous.” (Matthew 5:43-48)

Trump’s “plans” for dealing with adversaries involve heavy and immediate use of force. Regarding ISIS, he told Fox & Friends on Dec. 2, “I would knock the hell out of ISIS… [and] when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families.” Most military and diplomatic experts quickly retorted that such tactics used a decade ago were precisely what created ISIS. Apart from the strategic factors, such an approach to handling enemies, one that vindictively aims to punish the potentially innocent, is 100 percent counter to one of the core tenets of Jesus’ teaching.



8. He does not model sacrifice or altruism.

The Bible says: “But many who are first will be last, and the last will be first.” (Matthew 19:30)

Perhaps Mr. Trump’s most credible qualification for the presidency is his prodigious business success, about which he never fails to remind us. However, Christians must consider how he made his fortune. Rather than invest in companies who provide goods and services which contribute to the prosperity of the Americans he seeks to lead, he has invested heavily in casino gambling. He gave his name to a sham university, defrauding students in the process. He has lobbied for and exploited imminent domain laws to muscle people off their property, most notably a New Jersey widow. Much has been made of his companies’ multiple bankruptcies; more damning, though, is the fact that when his mortgage company failed, he denied responsibility, saying that he only let the company use his name. His business dealings do not suggest a willingness to place the fortunes of others ahead of his own, nor the integrity to accept responsibility.



9. He doesn’t seem to care about the poor.

The Bible says: “Jesus said to him, ‘If you wish to be perfect, go, sell your possessions, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.’” (Matthew 19:21)

Trump’s policy ideas across the board are shockingly thin, typical of demagogues. On the issues of poverty, hunger, and oppression, topics everyone from Jesus to Jeremiah cared a great deal about, Trump is deafeningly silent. This alone is unacceptable. To be fair, though, here is one of Trump’s few but fairly specific plans for helping the disadvantaged: “Teenage mothers [shouldn’t] get public assistance unless they jump through some pretty small hoops. Making them live in group homes makes sense.” His best 21st-century idea is the worst of 18th-century ideas.



10. His love of money is more apparent than his love of God or others.

The Bible says: “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.” (Matthew 6:24)

“My whole life I’ve been greedy, greedy, greedy,” Trump said at recent rally. “I’ve grabbed all the money I could get. I’m so greedy.” The spiritual concern here is not so much greed, but the misplaced priorities that his statement reveals. He has made the pursuit of material wealth an idol and worshipped it his entire life. Trump has forgotten the source of all wealth, the Creator of all abundance, and instead deifies the gifts of God rather than God himself. No moral offense receives so many warnings in both the Old and New Testament as idolatry. Trump’s confession of this addiction is a good first step, but he hardly seems repentant. On many campaign issues, he appears to have recently found religion — but apparently not this one.

It’s a free country, thank God. You can vote for whoever you want. But for the Christian, this freedom is always constrained. Followers of Christ have taken up a yoke. And though it is light, it is not easy or common. This yoke ties all Christians, in all their perplexing diversity, to love, mercy, sacrifice, and justice. Voting, often thought of as a mere civic duty, is in this light, also a sacred act. It is the most powerful public expression of private values that most of us will ever harness. Let us cast all of our votes for love.

If someone what's to vote for the Party that supports abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage, affirms the LGBT, is in favor of gun control, then I say THESE ARE THE REASONS NOT TO VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRATEIC PARTY. I am NOT voting for Trump, I am voting for the right for life, party. I ask how can a Bible believing Christian vote for a democrat?
 
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If I am Muslim, looked middle estern, Mexican, Native, Black, or female, I would be worried Trump wants to eradicate me.

Really? You really and honestly think so?
 
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