Dreams - a sensitive topic for me. Almost every dream I've had has been shot down, so I am afraid to dream at this point in my life. And now I'm a missionary in a third-world country, which is a dream for some, but really not for me. Theologically I believe that God puts dreams and passions in our hearts because He is preparing us for what He has in store for us, and it's all tied up with personality and gifting and talent and calling...... BUT in my own life it seems to not really work out.....
Is never giving up on your dreams a Christian or secular concept or neither?
Maybe there are some dreams that are God-given and others that are there because we are wanting to be like someone else or to have the appreciation that someone else in that position has. If a dream is God-given, then I don't think anyone will have to tell us not to give up on it, because in our hearts we will always hope for it. I still hold a particular dream in my heart - well, two of them, and they both seem hopeless, but I can't help continuing to hope for them, despite the astronomical unlikeliness of them from my perspective.
Should you give up your dreams for the sake of others (and if so to what extent?)
I don't think we should give up our dreams to pursue relationships that may or may not be God's will.... but..... on the other hand, something in my heart feels that to give up my dreams for the sake of
serving others is something incalculably noble.
Do you have any dreams and if so what are they and are you pursuing them? (if not why not?)
The two dreams I still have may or may not be linked together..... First, I have had a
taste of being on a worship team in which I was somewhat free to veer off into spontaneous and sometimes prophetic songs, and I want to be part of a group like that for an extended time with greater freedom in that area and participation in that from more of the members, more of the time. I don't really feel like I am FULLY worshiping until one of those songs comes out - it's a whole 'nother level, trust me, and I think a tiny taste of Heaven. The other dream is to be in full-time ministry. I thought that was going to happen coming here to Honduras, but as it turns out I have a full-time teaching job, teaching English in a Christian bilingual school. Everyone says "that IS ministry" - and sometimes it evolves that way or deepens in that way - but truthfully it's still a job. I want to preach, to lay hands on people and pray and cast out devils and prophesy and.... most of that, and also the prophetic worship thing, is put on hold. I am not young anymore, so my dream seems to be out of reach. There are fleeting moments, but I am not satisfied with fleeting moments.....
My questions... if you have a dream or desire in your heart, what do you do if your ministers, or church establishment, say that it is not God's will for you/not possible because of the way their church is structured or whatever? Do you submit to that leadership or follow the dream that God has given you, even if it means leaving the church and going elsewhere? I tend to think that if I want to do something or believe that something is God's will for me, but my Minister says 'no', or throws doubt on it, then I am the one who is wrong. But is that right?
I have a friend who is in her sixties and goes to my home church - she is an excellent woman of God, and I believe God has called her to be an elder. I believe this with all my heart, but my belief won't change our church's opinion that women are disqualified from being elders. I am continually brought back to Hebrews 11 - "And all these, having gained approval through their faith, did not receive what was promised, because God had provided something better for us, so that apart from us they would not be made perfect." Maybe, just maybe, my friend and also you, are meant to
carry that dream and gain approval from God for your faith - maybe you are meant to plow the field that another will harvest? That doesn't sound very hope-ful, does it? but if the dream is truly bigger than you are, then at some point you will be willing to give it to another to carry it? Personally I think your dream of officiating at communion is a wonderful one, and I believe that God can and very well might direct circumstances so that you wind up doing it one day. It's not really that far-fetched.
But when does it become right to challenge authority or the establishment?
That's a big question. (and by the way I was raised in the UMC) My home pastor was once a Nazarene pastor, but he became convinced through reading of the Word that the gifts of the spirit have not ceased, and that God still wants to pour out His presence and those manifestations. He began to preach in this way, but then God used Titus 3:10 to convict him - he was being divisive. He could not stop preaching what he believed to be true, so he left the Nazarene church. What's more important - what you believe and hope and love and how God is using you, or the denomination to which you belong? It may come down to that question at some point for you. It did for me. Twice. (long story)
How do you find out if your dreams are really from God?
I wish I knew for sure.
It is something you learn..but mainly...
you wait!
Wise answer.
But there may come a time when action is necessary....
Mainly don't give up..especially if is confirmed in your heart and you find you consistantly think it is from God.
And now we're back to Hebrews 11.....
'Scuse me while I just scream!
Me too - let's scream together!!!


I don't know about you, but I feel better! LOL....
....and the housegroup leader imnmediately pointed out that it has to be to God's glory. That everything should be to glorify God and build up others. Well of course!!!
A week ago, her husband, (the Minister) had a go at me when I used the phrase "I want", he said it should be about what God wants.
So why can't it be both?
I soooo believe it can - annnnnd what they had just taught and discussed at your house group seems to suggest that they believe it can too - but some people think that it can't be what God wants if it's outside their box - and there, I suspect, is the real issue.
We're supposed to go and talk things over with someone outside the process - i.e the Minister - and I SO don't want to. He is moving to his new appointment in a week or so anyway, (which was why he was volunteered, 'cos he's got time on his hands). So I think I may emigrate until then.
Might be a good idea.
Good thread.
blessings
tal