What Are You Thankful For?

[Erinwilcox]

I'm sorry to hear you were not feeling well, glad to hear you're feeling better now. Of course, if you lived in Australia, you would have free health-care, and wouldn't have to wait for your paycheck to get the medicine you need.

FREE HEALTH-CARE? NEVER! I have seen what free health-care has done for the world thus hope that the US will NEVER adopt it! "If you shall not work, you shall not eat." If I lived in Australia I guess I would have died because I wouldn't have accepted the free health-care!

 

[Paleoconservatarian]

FREE HEALTH-CARE? NEVER! I have seen what free health-care has done for the world thus hope that the US will NEVER adopt it! "If you shall not work, you shall not eat." If I lived in Australia I guess I would have died because I wouldn't have accepted the free health-care!

There's my good Constitutionalist sister!

I am thankful for so many things, it's hard to limit them down to a list. But I'll mention a few.

-My father. I'm more and more like him every day. Of course, I've inherited some of his faults, but I think the merits far outweigh those. In the past year, he's been a great help to me as I've struggled with my duties in school, family, and elsewhere.

-All my friends at SR. It's really encouraging to read such agreeable folk, whose hunger for the Word of God seems unquenchable. I learn a lot from you all.

-The opportunity to study at a nice university. Not coming from a wealthy family, this really is a blessing for me.

-Thanksgiving dinner at Uncle Don's. I really enjoy the opportunity to talk to the family I don't get to see all year until Thanksgiving. And he's the one who introduced me to the doctrines of grace.

-God's patience. This poor sinner really needs it.

 

[hlaltimus]

This was a great idea! Oddly enough, I am thankful for time! I almost permanently ran out of time once, while in a position that would have been eternally disasterous for me. Now I am very grateful that God has still allowed me time. It is more precious than anyone in this world can fully realize.

 

[lmnop9876]

FREE HEALTH-CARE? NEVER! I have seen what free health-care has done for the world thus hope that the US will NEVER adopt it! "If you shall not work, you shall not eat." If I lived in Australia I guess I would have died because I wouldn't have accepted the free health-care!

no-one says you HAVE to take it, you can pay for it yourself if you want, but I prefer my free health-care (if i could be bothered filling out the forms to get my health-care card.) it is the responsibility of all governments to supply free health-care and education to all their citizens if they need it, as well as helping those who are unable to find work, who are too old to work, or who are disabled, with financial assistance.

 

[Erinwilcox]

it is the responsibility of all governments to supply free health-care and education to all their citizens if they need it, as well as helping those who are unable to find work, who are too old to work, or who are disabled, with financial assistance.

WHAT?!?!?!?!? Good grief! Since I listened to you talk about Australian politics the other night, please listen now to me concerning how the American government is supposed to work. The government is NOT supposed to be our PARENT! Our founding fathers intended our government to be one that would protect the people and the land, NOT one that would stick it's fingers in the lives of every citizen. The more that our government becomes involved in our lives the more power, control, and monopolization that it has over our lives. We should not want to be beholden to our government-if we are, then they can come in and begin legislating even more what we can and cannot do. For instance, if we let them pay for our new church building, then we would be indebted to them and they would try to come in and tell us how to worship. BAD THING! Our Constitution does say for the government to look out for the GENERAL welfare of the people, but, taking a strict (founders') view of the Constitution, this does not mean that the government should be giving hand-outs to every ablebodied man and woman in the US! Far from it! The founders believed that if a man did not work that he should not eat. Therefore, if a man does not pay for something, he should not have it. If there are poor and needy, then the churches should help them-NOT the government!

I guess that if you were American that you'd be a liberal since they espuse views similar to yours.

 

[edie19]

Bravo Erin

 

[lmnop9876]

WHAT?!?!?!?!? Good grief! Since I listened to you talk about Australian politics the other night, please listen now to me concerning how the American government is supposed to work. The government is NOT supposed to be our PARENT! Our founding fathers intended our government to be one that would protect the people and the land, NOT one that would stick it's fingers in the lives of every citizen. The more that our government becomes involved in our lives the more power, control, and monopolization that it has over our lives. We should not want to be beholden to our government-if we are, then they can come in and begin legislating even more what we can and cannot do. For instance, if we let them pay for our new church building, then we would be indebted to them and they would try to come in and tell us how to worship. BAD THING! Our Constitution does say for the government to look out for the GENERAL welfare of the people, but, taking a strict (founders') view of the Constitution, this does not mean that the government should be giving hand-outs to every ablebodied man and woman in the US! Far from it! The founders believed that if a man did not work that he should not eat. Therefore, if a man does not pay for something, he should not have it. If there are poor and needy, then the churches should help them-NOT the government!

I guess that if you were American that you'd be a liberal since they espuse views similar to yours.

my view is that it is the responsibility of all people to care for each other, but especially for those who are unable to work. we do this through our government, we pay the taxes, they help those in need. my church does not, and never would, accept any monetary help of any kind from any government.
do you have old age pension in the USA?
do you have disability pension in the USA?
i am fairly conservative politically. I believe in minimal government control over people's life. i also have very conservative views about things like marriage, the sanctity of life, human rights and freedoms, &c. &c. &c.
however, I do think all people have a responsibility to care for those in need, and, if this is through our government, so be it. it's all our money in the end. I'd prefer the government spent money caring for those in need than butting into other countries' affairs, invading them, and causing massive terrorism risks worldwide.
and, btw, what if a person CANNOT work? what if they're too old to work? disabled? can't get a job? the Bible verse says if a person WILL not work, not if they can not work.

 

[JJB]

One of the problems I see looming on the horizon is that of euthenasia. It is available in the state of Oregon and the country of Holland. When we allow the government to have control of our health care they will also be deciding who lives and who dies. I propose it will not be limited to old or ill people. If persons become a burden to society (read: require too much tax $$$) then off you go!

In Romans it clearly states what responsibilites are established by God for governments.

 

[lmnop9876]

One of the problems I see looming on the horizon is that of euthenasia. It is available in the state of Oregon and the country of Holland. When we allow the government to have control of our health care they will also be deciding who lives and who dies. I propose it will not be limited to old or ill people. If persons become a burden to society (read: require too much tax $$) then off you go!

In Romans it clearly states what responsibilites are established by God for governments.

the government doesn't have control over our health care. to start with, all people pay a medicare tax, unless you have more than a certain number of children or earn less than a certain amount. this is what goes towards paying for the healthcare system. secondly, healthcare is regulated at a state level, not a federal level. taxes are paid through the federal government, not the state government, but the state governments regulate health, education, transport, &c. &c.
if we so choose, we can take out private health insurance, or can just choose to pay the full fees if we so choose. given that we pay our medicare tax, we may as well take full advantage of the free and subsidised health-care system.
anyway, this is off-topic, so we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Zorobabel]

I'm glad to have a mother that always took care of me despite the fact that my father left us. I'm glad to have the chance to go to a nice university and have all the opportunities that my education will some day bring. I'm very thankful for my fiancée, who is a very loving and godly woman. I'm so happy and thankful that the Lord brought me to a saving grace and knowledge of His redemption. Without Him, there is nothing good in me. There are so many things to be thankful for. I just hope and pray the Lord will continue to work in my life, continue to renew my mind and reform my faith, and inspire my actions and teach me His truth so that on that day I might be called His good and faithful servant.

On the topic of health care, I don't see it as a complicated issue. I believe every human should have access to high quality health care because it as a basic human right. This is obviously not the case in many developed nations, not to mention developing nations. However it comes about is open to debate, but certainly not many churches or church organizations are filling the need. I don't see it as a political issue. It's sad that in many of the countries I've visited the people are not even given the basic opportunities to work, much less have access to nutritious food or health care.

 

[JJB]

the government doesn't have control over our health care. to start with, all people pay a medicare tax, unless you have more than a certain number of children or earn less than a certain amount. this is what goes towards paying for the healthcare system. secondly, healthcare is regulated at a state level, not a federal level. taxes are paid through the federal government, not the state government, but the state governments regulate health, education, transport, &c. &c.
if we so choose, we can take out private health insurance, or can just choose to pay the full fees if we so choose. given that we pay our medicare tax, we may as well take full advantage of the free and subsidised health-care system.
anyway, this is off-topic, so we'll have to agree to disagree.

pjw, I wasn't talking about your country in particular, just making generalizations about the U.S. and what I see on the horizon -- oops!

 

[Zorobabel]

anyway, this is off-topic, so we'll have to agree to disagree.

You have to understand the situation that America is one of the most introverted (thus, the most monolingual) nations on the planet. They apply political models that have come about over 100 years as an industrialized society across the entire planet. So, many Americans believe that any person who isn't working is simply lazy. They often fail to realize that there are many countries with unemployment rates of 80% and less than 15% arable land. They have no means of employment. There is no such thing as the concept of "health insurance." I wouldn't take these political ideas that they are espousing. They work for 4% of the world's population (the US), but the other 96% have to create their own ideas and systems. To attempt to connect it to religious ideals is only a natural progression for people with religious convictions. These same people would not take literally many of the verses regarding the church represented in the book of Acts.

 

[lmnop9876]

You have to understand the situation that America is one of the most introverted (thus, the most monolingual) nations on the planet. They apply political models that have come about over 100 years as an industrialized society across the entire planet. So, many Americans believe that any person who isn't working is simply lazy. They often fail to realize that there are many countries with unemployment rates of 80% and less than 15% arable land. They have no means of employment. There is no such thing as the concept of "health insurance." I wouldn't take these political ideas that they are espousing. They work for 4% of the world's population (the US), but the other 96% have to create their own ideas and systems. To attempt to connect it to religious ideals is only a natural progression for people with religious convictions. These same people would not take literally many of the verses regarding the church represented in the book of Acts.

we have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the world, only 6% of the people who can work aren't currently doing so.

 

[Erinwilcox]

OKAY EVERYBODY!!!!! I'm going to say it now to my American friends since I'm leaving for New England early tomorrow and will probably not be back on SR until Monday. HAPPY THANKSGIVING! I hope that the Lord blesses you all with a wonderful holiday, full of fun with family and friends, and that the Lord may help you to be a good witness to any unconverted relatives that you may encouter. Also, I hope that you guys have some great food and awesome desserts (especially the chocolate stuff)! (you know that I had to add that!) You know, when my family is in charge of Thanksgiving desserts, we always make all chocolate stuff. Out with the traditional and in with the good stuff! No sweet potato pie for me! (disgusting!)

 

[Paleoconservatarian]

OKAY EVERYBODY!!!!! I'm going to say it now to my American friends since I'm leaving for New England early tomorrow and will probably not be back on SR until Monday. HAPPY THANKSGIVING! I hope that the Lord blesses you all with a wonderful holiday, full of fun with family and friends, and that the Lord may help you to be a good witness to any unconverted relatives that you may encouter. Also, I hope that you guys have some great food and awesome desserts (especially the chocolate stuff)! (you know that I had to add that!) You know, when my family is in charge of Thanksgiving desserts, we always make all chocolate stuff. Out with the traditional and in with the good stuff! No sweet potato pie for me! (disgusting!)

Happy Thanksgiving. May God bless you and your family during the festivities. Bless you with a taste for sweet potato pie, that is. You must be the weirdest girl I've ever seen. Chocolate?

Sweet potato pie happens to be my favorite.

 

[edie19]

Happy Thanksgiving. May God bless you and your family during the festivities. Bless you with a taste for sweet potato pie, that is. You must be the weirdest girl I've ever seen. Chocolate?

Sweet potato pie happens to be my favorite.

I think sweet potatoes are the best vegetable - I like them fixed just about any way (baked, casseroles, mashed, fried and yes, pie).

 

[lmnop9876]

Chocolate?

you can't be serious?
maybe it's just that we've got a much better array of chocolates in Australia. do you have milk chocolate in the US? and I take it you don't have Cadbury over there? if you don't, you don't know what you're missing out on. Picnic bars, crunchie bars, time-outs, turkish delights, cadbury fruit-and-nut, ohhhhhhh, the list goes on! it's all just soooo gooooddd!!!

 

[edie19]

you can't be serious?
maybe it's just that we've got a much better array of chocolates in Australia. do you have milk chocolate in the US? and I take it you don't have Cadbury over there? if you don't, you don't know what you're missing out on. Picnic bars, crunchie bars, time-outs, turkish delights, cadbury fruit-and-nut, ohhhhhhh, the list goes on! it's all just soooo gooooddd!!!

We have Cadbury. Also, Ghiardelli (one of my favorites). And yes, we have milk chocolate - but personally I prefer dark chocolate - more flavor.

 

[lmnop9876]

We have Cadbury. Also, Ghiardelli (one of my favorites). And yes, we have milk chocolate - but personally I prefer dark chocolate - more flavor.

ahhhh. finally, an Australian thing that's found it's way over there! so, have you ever had a picnic bar? a crunchie bar? a time-out? a cadbury dream?

 

[edie19]

ahhhh. finally, an Australian thing that's found it's way over there! so, have you ever had a picnic bar? a crunchie bar? a time-out? a cadbury dream?

they might be the same thing but different names. . . I like
creme eggs and carmellos. They have one with raisins that's pretty good too.